Wikimedia volunteer email adresses
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::::::::How am I misleading people? It is possible. If a new staff is hired, they get an account. No effort. Why is it different for a volunteer. Why should it be so hard? Giving someone an email adres is not a time consuming matter. Specially if trust is already established in some way. We are not talking thousands of people a day. We are talking in small numbers, less then there are email accounts at the moment. Any of the staff can check people, it does not require effort from any specific person. Why would the foundation be able to give email adresses to 250 staff members, yet not be able to give email adresses? It is possible to do this. [[User:Taketa|Taketa]] ([[User talk:Taketa|talk]]) 17:05, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
::::::::How am I misleading people? It is possible. If a new staff is hired, they get an account. No effort. Why is it different for a volunteer. Why should it be so hard? Giving someone an email adres is not a time consuming matter. Specially if trust is already established in some way. We are not talking thousands of people a day. We are talking in small numbers, less then there are email accounts at the moment. Any of the staff can check people, it does not require effort from any specific person. Why would the foundation be able to give email adresses to 250 staff members, yet not be able to give email adresses? It is possible to do this. [[User:Taketa|Taketa]] ([[User talk:Taketa|talk]]) 17:05, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::{{ping|Rjd0060}}: I am not technical so I asked Hoo Man for his opinion. Technical implementation "wouldn't be hard" it would be some effort ofcourse. Most would be infrastructure from non-tech staff. Ones it is there all can be done by non-tech staff. Current staff uses google. According to a websearch I just did [https://www.google.com/work/apps/business/pricing.html] this would costs 40 euro a year per person. Considering 200-500 people, it would be an investment of 8.000-20.000 dollar. Which is alot, but is possible. Ofcourse forwards is a possibility, with the same staff requirements but 0 costs. Though this would need some instructionsonm how to use it as email. Sincerely, [[User:Taketa|Taketa]] ([[User talk:Taketa|talk]]) 17:41, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::{{ping|Rjd0060}}: I am not technical so I asked Hoo Man for his opinion. Technical implementation "wouldn't be hard" it would be some effort ofcourse. Most would be infrastructure from non-tech staff. Ones it is there all can be done by non-tech staff. Current staff uses google. According to a websearch I just did [https://www.google.com/work/apps/business/pricing.html] this would costs 40 euro a year per person. Considering 200-500 people, it would be an investment of 8.000-20.000 dollar. Which is alot, but is possible. Ofcourse forwards is a possibility, with the same staff requirements but 0 costs. Though this would need some instructionsonm how to use it as email. Sincerely, [[User:Taketa|Taketa]] ([[User talk:Taketa|talk]]) 17:41, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::::You continue to present false statements and I'd appreciate you stop it, as I've already asked you. I did not say it would be difficult to implement on a technical level. I said it's a staffing issue. OTRS does not get the support it needs, so this likely wouldn't. Aside from that, I strongly oppose the idea for lack of proper reasoning. This is my opinion, based on experience and my own preference. You cannot argue my opinion. [[User:Rjd0060|Rjd0060]] ([[User talk:Rjd0060|talk]]) 17:51, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
:{{Oppose}} - If 'trusted' means "Access to nonpublic information" I'd say those people should have an email address that shows they belong to sich a priviledged group and not "just a volunteer" who edits Wikipedia (resp. one or more of her sister projects) like e.g. Dutch moderators who have or get in many cases an address in the 'wikipedia.be' (yes in Belgium which country has his own chapter as well...) domain. If trusted means editing for let's say five years or longer, my opinion might change to support. [[User_talk:KlaasZ4usV|Klaas]] `Z4␟` [[User:KlaasZ4usV|V]]: 16:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
:{{Oppose}} - If 'trusted' means "Access to nonpublic information" I'd say those people should have an email address that shows they belong to sich a priviledged group and not "just a volunteer" who edits Wikipedia (resp. one or more of her sister projects) like e.g. Dutch moderators who have or get in many cases an address in the 'wikipedia.be' (yes in Belgium which country has his own chapter as well...) domain. If trusted means editing for let's say five years or longer, my opinion might change to support. [[User_talk:KlaasZ4usV|Klaas]] `Z4␟` [[User:KlaasZ4usV|V]]: 16:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
::I am the longest serving Dutch Wikipedia bureaucrat and list admin for the admin and bureaucrat email. I have a forward @wikipedia.be. It is not enough, since it means you still send out emails via google or hotmail. You oppose in general, I am fully in favor of any change. Also a 5 year minimum edit limit. Anything to change the situation we have now. Any change is better then what we have. Please do not oppose when you are actually in favor. Even stewards are currently counted as not trusted. Even OTRS admins are not trusted. Even Checkusers are not trusted. [[User:Taketa|Taketa]] ([[User talk:Taketa|talk]]) 16:11, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
::I am the longest serving Dutch Wikipedia bureaucrat and list admin for the admin and bureaucrat email. I have a forward @wikipedia.be. It is not enough, since it means you still send out emails via google or hotmail. You oppose in general, I am fully in favor of any change. Also a 5 year minimum edit limit. Anything to change the situation we have now. Any change is better then what we have. Please do not oppose when you are actually in favor. Even stewards are currently counted as not trusted. Even OTRS admins are not trusted. Even Checkusers are not trusted. [[User:Taketa|Taketa]] ([[User talk:Taketa|talk]]) 16:11, 2 August 2015 (UTC)