Episode 58: A Funeral for Foot Pain
Description: Katy and Dani hold a festive wake for Katy’s first book, Every Woman’s Guide to Foot Pain Relief, and celebrate its reincarnation.
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KATY: It’s the Katy Says podcast, where movement geek, Dani Hemmat, joins biomechanist, Katy Bowman, author of Move Your DNA for discussions on body mechanics, movement nutrition, natural movement, and how movement can be the solution to modern ailments we all experience. Where have you been?
DANI: I just left. I left and I didn’t tell you where I was going? Where have you been?
KATY: Likewise, I was like, I’m out of here, folks.
DANI: Yeah.
KATY: You know what? Dani and I took an unintended podcast break. It’s like, we didn’t even know –
DANI: It’s like summer.
KATY: It was like, you know, those summer vacations –
DANI: Right.
KATY: That you look forward to. It wasn’t planned, but it was entirely necessary.
DANI: Mm-hmm.
KATY: And it was just one of those things where we would have had to jam and cram in order to make it happen. And so we took our own advice, the advice we’re giving to you ad nauseum, which is to make your life work for you a little bit better, and that’s what it took for us, right? A break.
DANI: You did get some playing in.
KATY: You know what? I always get what I need in, it’s just my tendency is to then pack the time around it too tightly. And so I think that’s when I was like, you know what, Dani? I can’t record any podcasts this month, mostly because I’m jamming on – as everyone knows – there’s too many books that came out.
DANI: Totally not my fault.
KATY: It’s totally your fault, because you made me say out loud that I’m not going to do any. And then once you did that, the universe comes around like, Sha-pow! And slaps you upside the head.
DANI: Which is why I’m not going to do a pull-up this year.
KATY: So smart. I really need to learn from you and the Grand Declaration. But anyway, it just, it is what it is. We feel great. We hope that you took your podcast time and did something joyful with it – but we’re back. We’re back now.
DANI: Here we are!
KATY: We promise we won’t leave you hanging again.
DANI: Well, you can’t say that, because stuff just happens, and –
KATY: See that Grand Declaration? I just made it.
DANI: Stop it!
KATY: Actually, we’re going to be –
DANI: I have to say, I’m impressed with you that you flat out asked for what you need. You said, “I can’t – “
KATY: Well, I did.
DANI: I can’t do this, and that’s good, because a lot of us feel like, well, I really should. And I’m impressed that you knew where your limit was – that’s something we all can work on a little bit more. Way to go, man.
KATY: Yeah, I think that’s what everyone needs to do at this point is just get really clear on what they need to do. And it wasn’t making me any healthier. I would have had to take a health hit to make a podcast that, frankly, is a non-essential. Not to my life, but to yours. It’s not an essential.
DANI: Mm-hmm.
KATY: You could go back to re-listen to everything if you felt there was a big lull, but anyway, we’re all better for it.
DANI: Totally.
KATY: And thanks. And that’s the end of our show! Because frankly, just kidding.
DANI: Thanks for listening! Visit the website. Good bye!
KATY: All right, so what’s up today?
DANI: Today we are having a funeral. [Bagpipes in background playing ‘Amazing Grace.’] Your first book, Every Woman’s Guide to Foot Pain Relief, is just leaving this astral plane. But I kind of like the British tradition of funerals, and I think we need to have more of a wake, which is more of a celebration of the life of the book. What it meant, what it meant for you, what it meant to us – and where we go from here. So would you just kind of tell us the story of Every Woman’s Guide to Foot Pain? Start at Page 1, there’s about 186 pages. And: go!
KATY: Oh, my gosh. Every Woman’s Guide to Foot Pain Relief. All right, so if I were going to read the obit section in the New York Times for Every Woman’s Guide to Foot Pain Relief it would have said that that was my first book contract that I ever got, and it was published by BenBella books, which is a nice, micro-indie press. I was stoked the day that I signed that contract.
DANI: I imagine.
KATY: And then, I kid you not – two weeks after I signed that contract, I got pregnant. And pregnant, like, I was someone who is extremely nauseous through my entire pregnancy, so that book didn’t get written. I had a year to write that book – one year.
DANI: You couldn’t write a whole book while you were growing a baby? Golly. Slacker.
KATY: I know. I know. I was so sick, and I still had my regular full-time job, and I was running the Restorative Exercise Institute in Ventura, and that was a 40-hour a week thing. Pregnant, and I have this book contract, so it kind of sat on this shelf, like, sure! I’ll get to that. No problem. And the due date for the contract was December 31st, 2010, and I started writing that book – I wrote the bulk of it on a long train ride from Southern California to Northern California. It was like 6 hours there, 6 hours back. I busted that book out really in a 6-week period.
DANI: But it should be said that a lot of this was just based on stuff you did.
KATY: Yeah, it’s not like a novel. It’s not a novel.
DANI: It’s not like you made it up – let’s see!
KATY: No, I didn’t have to come up with characters or figure anything else out. I mean, it’s a very – for anyone who has read it, it’s a really – it’s a basics book, and it’s kind of about shoes. You know, you’re talking about what are the components of a shoe? A lot of people don’t know that there’s an anatomy to footwear.
[Answering machine sound in the background]
DANI: Hold on, that’s me taking a message, cut.
KATY: That’s me calling you. I was calling you.
DANI: Stop it.
KATY: I was dialing you at the same time to see what you would do. Are you going to pick up? Are you going to ignore the call?
DANI: That’s never going to get old for you, is it?
KATY: Less social, more media.
DANI: So anyway, sorry.
KATY: So I kind of just thought I would teach the basics. It’s a basics book. So that’s the background of the book, and then I turned it in, and then it came out another year later. So imagine from the time – from the excitement of signing your book contract, and then – it’s like an elephant. It’s what an elephant must experience. Congratulations, you’re pregnant! We’ll see you in 48 months. Or whatever. 24 months. Isn’t it a 2 year gestation period for an elephant?
DANI: Mm-hmm. It’s long.
KATY: So it’s like that. It was the elephant equivalent of having a baby. I’m sorry, I can’t muster. Talk to me a long time from now. But that book came out, did well, continued to do well – it’s unlike anything else that I’ve written, because it is for the layperson who has never even heard of this idea of alignment or biomechanics. It’s like the book that you get your mom. Or your – you know, your neighbor. Someone who doesn’t, someone who is like, “what are you talking about, with all this natural movement, healthy eating?”
DANI: Well, it’s totally non-intimidating. It’s just like, even the title: Every. You know? It’s –
KATY: It is. It is my most general – my most conventional book, meaning there’s definitely radical ideas embedded in it, but it’s not like dropping any big booms on your head as much as – well, you know what? The fact that your toes should move individually, people are like, what are you talking about? That’s crazy talk! You know?
DANI: I have to say, since it was your first book, it was the first thing that a lot of us read of your work besides the blog.
KATY: Sure.
DANI: But I will tell you this dropped some big “booms” on my head, just because it was a lot of those ideas about footwear and the way – you know, the dexterity of your feet was a really big idea for me. A lot of that was a big idea, and I think you shouldn’t sell it short. It’s digestible and simple and accessible but a lot of people that I’ve given it to are like, whoa, I never thought about my foot that way. I didn’t really think about their feet at all.
KATY: And I don’t – I feel like I have sold that book short for a long time, simply because when you’re hyper-exposed or when your understanding of a thing is really deep, then you forget that – I forget the part of my process, like, there was a point where I had those a-ha moments, too. They’re just such a long time ago. But just the other day, I had someone new come to class who had never done anything or read anything, and we started with foot position and knee position, and then she was looking at her bunion, and she’s going, “I can see how my bunion is being made – right now I can see!” And back to the basics of, well, can you lift your big toe? No. Can you spread your toes? No. And it was huge when she left to have – moving parts that she had never moved before. And I was like, I forget! I forget, I forget, I forget.
DANI: Yeah.
KATY: In all this complexity, that everyone really does need to enter at the front door. You cannot Mission Impossible Tom Cruise drop in from the air conditioning ducts on a wire and then be like, HOOF! And hit the floor. That is an unreasonable way of getting a sense of the layout of the land. You just have to walk through the front door.
DANI: Oh!
KATY: So – Every Woman’s Guide to Foot Pain Relief was a front door. And it still is – I mean, this book – this tiny, little book: jargon-free, jargon-free, jargon-free. I mean, like –
DANI: Yeah, super, super easy to read.
KATY: It’s the book that if you want to open – if you wanted to introduce someone else to why you’re doing – like, there’s no minimal footwear as far as primal movement or – it’s just, none of that talk. But at the same time, when you’re done with it, you’re like, I need to get a more flexible shoe! I need to get a shoe without a heel. So the language that I chose to use is – it’s jargon and industry-jargon free. It’s just a book about you and your feet. So anyway, that book has sold really well for the last 5 or 6 years. There’s people who are like, I have foot pain from this, and that.
DANI: Oh my gosh, that book – I mean, a week with that book, doing the work in it, and I told you this before: my plantar fasciitis was just gone. It, too, had a funeral, which was lovely.
KATY: That’s fine.
DANI: I didn’t give it a wake, because it sucked. It didn’t deserve to be celebrated.
KATY: It’s like, you die now!
DANI: Yes. But – but – this book is – we’re giving it a wake, right?
KATY: Well, so – what we have – we’ve kind of buried the lede here. Every Woman’s Guide to Foot Pain Relief is going out of print because there’s a new edition. And the new edition is Simple Steps to Foot Pain Relief. It’s a slightly edited, now gender-neutral book. We can talk about the differences – where people were like, this book is so helpful, why is it every woman’s guide? There’s nothing about it that’s woman – I mean, there’s definitely things about the book that they had me write woman-specific or gender-specific. So when they asked me if I would do a new edition, they’re like, and we want it to be gender-neutral. So now we’ve got this awesome, front door book – it’s an even wider front door, meaning –
DANI: Mm-hmm. Well, because let’s just be realistic – the first one, aside from the title, it’s got a high heel on the front.
KATY: Yeah.
DANI: And so you hand this to any guy, and most people will just be like, “I don’t wear heels.” And that’s it.
KATY: Yeah.
DANI: But it’s – having it gender neutral.
KATY: It was marketing. I mean, again – the difference between the reality that we live in or the bubble that we live in of health and movement and exercise is different than people who are on Amazon for foot pain.
DANI: Sure.
KATY: And that image was a good marketing image, but for my bubble, they’re like, but we don’t even wear those shoes! Or I’m a dude, and I want this information – and I don’t wear those shoes. So anyway.
DANI: So just as in reincarnation, you don’t – a beetle doesn’t end up being a beetle again. It’s usually a dog or something like that.
[Indian raga playing softly in background]
DANI: Same thing with this book, it’s just changed in its reincarnation, and now it was your first book and it has become your 6th. It has jumped ahead. Right? It’s your 6th one, right?
KATY: It was like a dumb beetle book, the first time around and now it’s come out kind of like – what’s the gazelle of bugs?
DANI: I don’t know, a praying mantis.
KATY: There you go.
DANI: But you – the fact that you have a pun in the title, I know you totally did that for me.
KATY: Puns, well –
DANI: You are a hero to put a pun in the title, because it’s awesome.
KATY: Simple Steps. Simple Steps to Foot Pain Relief: the New Science of Healthy Feet.
DANI: The reincarnation – I mean, or reissue, re-release. They came to you and said, we’re almost done? Or they just looked at it and said they wanted it gender neutral? Or is this something that you put a bug, a dung beetle in their ear a long time ago?
KATY: The thing is, the way that publishing works – and this is a little aside, not biomechanics. Bookstores only really like to carry newer books. You have to have an active media campaign or a PR campaign around your book, and so publishers then – publishers – nobody really makes that much money off [garbled] books. The authors certainly don’t; publishing barely. So they have a ton of books – so one way of kind of recouping your investment you’ve already paid the writer – so new editions – the bulk of the books that we read, like think of your entire school curriculum of books or books that were written hundreds of years ago, if not a hundred – you’re reading, for the most part, the classics are things that are kind of timeless and through slight adjustments they’re still pertinent. So from a business standpoint, it’s a really nice way of not – it’s very expensive to produce a book. You’ve got editors, and copy editors, and designers. But to do a new edition, the cost goes way down, and then you get essentially a book back on the top of your offerings. So that book was about 5 or 6 years old, and then so they’re like, we’re going to do a new edition of it because it’s still a very popular book – it sells – did you know that most books only sell 2,500 copies in their entire lifespan of being published?
DANI: I did not know that. That’s an interesting fact.
KATY: So, you know, everyone obviously has their best sellers, but you know, a lot of books just kind of go by the wayside, but they’re like, this is a great, super helpful, it’s still extremely timely, footwear.
DANI: Well, you know, most people have feet.
KATY: They have feet, but also I would think that this new way of understanding feet and movement and shoes – we’re still in the middle of that. We’re still at the beginning of that. So there’s just a lot of people out there going, oh, I didn’t – maybe there’s some exercises or whatever. But – so they’re going to do a new edition, and I said, well, if I’m going to do a new edition, how about I make it gender neutral so that that way it’s almost an entire – you’ll double your audience for the book – it was just an efficient decision. I feel like, this book could reach a much bigger audience by going through and combing and taking out anything that was gender specific and really writing to a broader audience, and then I wrote a note – a new letter on the edition, which is explaining why it was how it was before and how it is now.
DANI: Well, yeah, tell us a little bit about why – what’s different?
KATY: So – cover. New cover. New note on the edition saying just what I said. It’s updated – it’s updated as far as technical accuracy, still keeping super jargon-free, layperson. Kind of clarified a few things about bunions. I found – just through my own better understanding over time, it’s easier for me to reduce complicated stuff, losing even less technical accuracy. So I did that for the book; I added new sidebars.
DANI: Yeah, there were new sidebars. I went through it page by page.
KATY: Oh, that’s right!
DANI: It wasn’t like the most fun way to read a book, but I just kind of wanted to see –
KATY: Did you have the old book to compare it?
DANI: Yeah, I did. My old book is hilarious because it’s kind of yellow from sun exposure, and you know, I have copies that I lend to people, but this is mine that I have notes in from when I first became familiar with your work. But yeah, I actually went through it – I don’t know why, I just wanted to see what was different. And some things you just kind of change the language a little bit, or made things more clear based on what you’ve been doing for the last 6 years, and I don’t know. I like it. It’s still super easy to read.
KATY: Yeah, yeah. New pictures. Some new pictures.
DANI: And I think some of the sidebars are more along the lines of reiterating that, you know, it’s not a separate thing: you are how you move. This isn’t just – everything is going to be tied into this with what you’re doing, and helping people identify those patterns more and the source of the discomfort or ailment or whatever by looking at it that way. It’s a nice – it’s a better intro point into your work, now, because you kind of hint a little bit about –
KATY: It might be, yeah.
DANI: this stuff that, you know, we talk about in the podcast and everything.
KATY: Just a couple little places where I added that. I mean, #1, you’re a total nerd for doing that, to compare one to the other. I love – I can see you sitting there, books side by side, with a marker, just squeeeeak, squeeeak. That’s your highlighter right there.
DANI: Heavy mouth breathing. Leave me alone, I’m looking at Katy’s books!
KATY: You’re in the bathroom. Anyway.
DANI: I’ll be done in a second! I’m on page 95, 96 respectively!
KATY: So I would say that, yeah, that’s what it is – I just kind of made it a cleaner portal. It’s combed a tiny bit; I think a lot of people will say – do I need the other book? And I don’t think as far as fixing your feet goes, if you wanted to fix your feet more, I would not say that you need to buy the newer edition. If you have already bought the first edition, then I don’t think you would need to buy the second edition to make your feet better. But if you wanted to have – I think you could probably re-read it and get more out of the newer book, like a slightly better understanding. So if you’re in it for the technical, big overview, it’s certainly helpful. The cover is so pretty – did I send you a picture of the new cover?
DANI: Yes, and I think – I mean, the way I looked at this book when I first saw it and went through it, I was like, this is the book that I would give to all the people that I tried to give the other one to – mostly men – I’m just going to say it, who, you know, that wall went up. And I think – I have a class, and I’m putting on a foot workshop and hopefully a lot of men come, because it’s a man-heavy clinic that I’ll be teaching it at, and I’m really looking forward to having this to say, here, without them looking at the high heel and the sexy fingers on the front and going, nah, that’s not really for me. That’s the way I see it; it’s just – the information’s all the same. It’s cleaner, it has a little more here and there – it’s a book for those people that maybe you couldn’t get to read the other one.
KATY: And pictures of men doing the exercises as well, you know, really. It’s amazing. My first – the Whole Body Barefoot was my first book that I ever did. I mean, I’m a woman, I worked in pelvic floor disorder for so long, and the bulk of, you know, our listeners and the people doing it are women to a certain extent – but, you know, I did the Joe Rogan show, and then all of a sudden it was like, in one night, our man/woman ratio totally evened out. That’s what happens when you do a podcast for 11 million dudes. It’s just that you balance your base, so then I started being like, oh, ok, I do need a better overall representation of a lot of this stuff. So it was fun to go back and take some of my older stuff and make it new again in a broader way. It was such a simple thing. You know, cover design – cover design that’s nothing about the interior of the book, but just that makes it so much more accessible. So I feel – I feel – it’s efficiency. At the end of the day, it’s just efficiency.
DANI: So speaking of efficient, basically you have 3 foot books under your belt.
KATY: Below the belt?
DANI: We’ll say 2. So you’ve got Simple Steps to Foot Pain Relief and Whole Body Barefoot. They each fill a different need and a different purpose for different people at different times in their life. So who are they for respectively, in your opinion?
KATY: Well, I would say that Simple Steps is – like I said, it’s the book that you want to give your parents. Let me do Whole Body Barefoot first because that’s easier. Whole Body Barefoot is a more technical, information-dense book. Whole Body Barefoot, which was just voted Best Fitness Book by Paleo magazine for last year at their 2015 Awards – it won the Best of. So that gives you kind of a group for what – who that book is. For people who are already into natural, more kind of a primal movement. People who have a strong anatomy background. Any health professional, I think, would need to read Whole Body Barefoot to go, oh, I get it now. It’s kind of more math, more biomechanics, more anatomy. It’s certainly not jargon-rich, but it’s not your mother’s book, depending on who your mother is, of course. If your mother is a chiropractor or an osteopath or an engineer, you know, someone who likes more information – there’s a lot of people who are like, I want all of the information. It’s an information rich book – that’s Whole Body Barefoot. Simple Steps is really kind of about shoes and foot pain and like, the biggest, you know, as far as alignment stuff – it doesn’t have – it’s like, back your hips up. Like, really manageable things for people who are non-movers. People who maybe exercise or walk on a treadmill at a gym. Maybe they’re exercisers in that regard, but they’re not – the idea of whole body and these intricate movement and alignment – it would be an entry point to all of that for them. So it’s really –
DANI: Something they could dip their toes in the water, then.
KATY: Exactly. But at the same time, if you are a professional, I think that both are helpful because I use a lot of simple analogies, so it would help you, I think, to communicate better with your – that’s why I make it a recommendation for our training, because I don’t think that if you have only a technical understanding and not experience relating the more general, Simple Steps is really great for that. It’s like, what are the 5 basic exercises that everyone should start with. There’s more content, more challenging exercises in Whole Body Barefoot. So you could definitely – I don’t’ think you would be – you wouldn’t overlap having both, but if you were just –
DANI: Definitely not.
KATY: No, I don’t think so at all. I think you would almost have a better understanding of footwear.
DANI: Mm-hmm.
KATY: You know, by reading Simple Steps. It’s also good for introducing parents to this idea that your kids might not need super supportive shoes. I think that it’s just – it’s kind of what everyone in general would want to know, is the Simple Steps, and then Whole Body Barefoot is the more refined understanding.
DANI: Mm-hmm.
KATY: So that’s how they’re different.
DANI: Well, that’s awesome. When does the new edition come out, do you know?
KATY: The pub date is September 6th, so – when will this show come out, tomorrow?
DANI: Yeah, it’s going to be out in about 10 minutes. No, I think this is going to come out on August 16th.
KATY: So it’s – you can definitely order it on Amazon now, and then it’ll ship as soon as it comes in.
DANI: Ok, so we’ll put that in the show notes. Okay.
KATY: They said – I’ll be sharing different pictures of it. You know what I also did? I also updated a couple things. You know, when I was writing Whole Body Barefoot, so I always had – I always used four categories of footwear evaluation: there was the width of the toe box, the height of the heel, the stiffness of the sole, and the thickness, and then how well the upper attached to the foot, you know, like is it a slide on? Are you having to grip it, or do you have a good upper, which is a term in shoe manufacturing but also in orthopedics or in podiatry. We’d have discussions about uppers of a shoe, people, in those groups of people. But when I was writing Whole Body Barefoot, the podiatrist who – Ray – Dr. Ray McClanaghan, I think?
DANI: The Correct Toes guy.
KATY: The Correct Toes guy. He said, it’s also interesting – a lot of shoes have elevated toes. And I had never considered that feature, because that feature is not in podiatry or research, you know, so I had never really thought about that before. But then, of course, as soon as he pointed it out – so he works, you know, kind of toes are forced into extension all the time. Even the non-rocker bottom shoe; they’re all kind of rocker bottoms, and I was like, okay, yeah. So I was like, so then you’ve got this forced stiffness to your toe all the time. So I added that into this new book – this extra way of evaluating: is the front of the shoe artificially elevated chronically, and then kind of – so I added a fifth characteristic in that book.
DANI: You’re talking to someone that just compared them side by side, so I’m fully aware. But let’s share that with everyone else.
KATY: Well, since this show is not for you, and it’s for everyone else.
DANI: As nerdy as I am.
KATY: So you caught that. Did you like that picture where I circled the elevated toes of all the shoes?
DANI: And the chart, too – the chart’s like, there’s a new thing on the chart, oh my gosh!
KATY: Yeah. So that’s how you decide who they’re for, and that’s what’s going on with that. That’s what’s exciting in my neighborhood right now, is getting ready – and updating – so I have a ton of shoe lists on the website. Winter shoe lists – they’re all minimal, kind of like shopping advice. So I’m in the process now of updating them and getting them ready for fall.
DANI: Awesome.
KATY: I will share those on our social media as I’ve updated – gone through and – the problem with minimal footwear is that they continuously – I want to say ‘put out of publish’ – what is the word?
DANI: They discontinue.
KATY: They discontinue.
DANI: It’s the worst if you fall in love with something, it’s just a tragedy.
KATY: Yeah. And it makes it so hard to have constantly updated lists when they’re discontinuing stuff all the time. I was like, ok, half these links are dead. So even though I’m not – you know, really actively blogging any longer, I am constantly going through and refining to make these tools still super helpful for everyone. So that’s what I’ll be doing over the next few weeks. Finishing Movement Matters, getting ready to do a book tour for Simple Steps, and then updating all of my online content that is already existing so it makes it more functional. That’s what’s up for me. What’s up for you?
DANI: Well, that’s good. You know, you should come back to Boulder for your book tour. Very popular here; you’re very well liked.
KATY: I will probably come for Movement Matters.
DANI: Yeah.
KATY: So we can talk about a good date.
DANI: That’s good, because I’ve added some new hikes to my repertoire that I can’t wait to show you. What’s up with me?
KATY: How was your break? How was your tech break?
DANI: It was so good. 31 days of no social media whatsoever. No Pinterest or anything. So if I wanted a recipe, I was out of luck. I just made stuff up.
KATY: You don’t have any cookbooks?
DANI: If I wanted a particular recipe, smart aleck.
KATY: Oh.
DANI: But I equate it to – it was like a 1970 summer, where I had a lot of time; because I grew up in the 1970s – I spent a lot of time laying in grass and looking at clouds.
KATY: Were you high?
DANI: No. I was a kid.
KATY: I’m just kidding!
DANI: Laying on the grass! Yeah, just looking at clouds – and so having that gone allowed me that space to do that again, and I truly ended up with more head space than I had before. My memory got better, my creativity got better.
KATY: It’s like a kid, almost like a kid. Right?
DANI: It was like a kid. I felt like a kid, and I did a lot of kid things, and didn’t really feel like I needed to show anybody, and so that really opened up the enjoyment factor of it for me. And I have come back in very slowly and very limited and I really like it. And I think – and it was huge for all the people that participated. We had about 50 people across the world that participated in it and it was huge for them, and I think we’ll make it an annual thing, kind of like you do, because it was so valuable for me.
KATY: And maybe even twice. I could see it being a seasonal thing.
DANI: That’s smart.
KATY: It definitely is a biorhythm going on, these natural periods of awareness, observation. I feel like summer – I – just from being outside more, simply immersed in outside, my skill set with bird identification and distance animal spotting is getting so great, and I’m not even trying to do it. It’s more like my senses are heightened. So I definitely want to do a winter one as well.
DANI: That’s smart.
KATY: Sometime when I just want to – I think I did it – maybe not last year, the year before. So another social media break; certainly around the holiday time.
DANI: it’s like a cleanse, you know, you do like, diet changes seasonally and cleanses seasonally and that’s really smart to put it in that perspective and reframe it so that it’s just like a little reset every 5 months or every quarter or whatever. Yeah, it’s super cool.
KATY: Well, we’ll look forward to it, but we’ll be getting back to – just so you know, Dani and I are – this is our 3rd year, right?
DANI: That’s right, we’re going into year 3. Can you believe it?
KATY: I can’t. I can’t, and really – it’s kind of exciting – we’ve taken one break in 2 years. This was our first break. So thanks to everyone for bearing with us, and we’ve got some new changes that are going to come up. We’re doing kind of a little facelift to everything, right? I think we’re trying to constantly make – what we put out a better or more authentic representation of what’s inside.
DANI: Let’s look at this as a nice exfoliation.
KATY: Yes, that’s exactly what it is. Exfoliation.
DANI: Exfoliation.
KATY: Untangling and exfoliation. A natural facelift of sorts that kind of like – here’s what’s inside. So look for that in the next few weeks, right?
DANI: Yeah, absolutely.
KATY: You’ll know it when it happens because we’ll have a new intro, like, This is the Katy Says podcast!
DANI: As long as you’re listening you’ll know.
KATY: Exactly. Any suggestions – right? If anyone has makeover suggestions, throw them out on social media. Tweet us, Twitter us, Facebook us, and let us know, if you’re like, do you know what I’d really love? An XYZ.
DANI: Yeah, I really think Dani needs more airtime. So I think that – oh, sorry. I was just – anyway. All right, we’re done. Good job on one more book there, lady.
KATY: It doesn’t count.
DANI: Just stop it.
KATY: It’s not a new book, it’s an edition.
DANI: New edition. Congratulations on the new edition. So – I’ve got ‘em all. We’re good; thanks for listening! For more information, books, online classes, etc., you can find Katy Bowman at NutritiousMovement.com. You can learn more about me, Dani Hemmat, movement warrior and foot book collector, at MoveYourBodyBetter.com. Bye!
KATY: Bye!
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