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== When to Archive ==
== When to Archive ==
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*Bulky talk pages may be hard to navigate, contain obsolete
discussion
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*Bulky talk pages may be hard to navigate, contain obsolete
discussions
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*There may be circumstances where it would benefit discussions to keep older sections visible on the talk pages; namely, to allow newly visiting editors to see which issues have been addressed already and avoid redundant discussion.
*There may be circumstances where it would benefit discussions to keep older sections visible on the talk pages; namely, to allow newly visiting editors to see which issues have been addressed already and avoid redundant discussion.
*The [[FamilySearch Wiki:Talk page guidelines#When_to_condense_pages|talk page guidelines]] suggest archiving when the talk page exceeds 50 KB or has more than 10 main topics.
*The [[FamilySearch Wiki:Talk page guidelines#When_to_condense_pages|talk page guidelines]] suggest archiving when the talk page exceeds 50 KB or has more than 10 main topics.
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== Subpage archive method ==
== Subpage archive method ==
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Using a [[Help:Subpages|subpage]] is the most popular method for archiving a talk page. There are two alternative procedures which can be used to create a subpage: ''Cut and paste'' or ''move''. Whichever way you prefer, you should generally stick to one procedure or the other on any given page, since mixing the two may cause confusion. Archive pages should be named as follows: take the name of the talk page, and add <tt>'/Archive #</tt>', where <tt>'#'</tt> is the number of the archive. {{Note|Please note that the word 'Archive' has a capital 'A', there is a space before the number, and that there are no leading zeros.}} <br> For example: the 20th archive of [[Talk:England]] would be named <tt>Talk:England/Archive 20</tt>
the first archive of [[User talk:Example user]] would be named <tt>User talk:Example user/Archive 1.
</tt>Remember to use the correct namespace – the part before the colon (<tt>:</tt>);– when archiving your own user talk page. It should start with "<tt>User talk:</tt>", not "<tt>Talk:</tt>". {{Contributor Help badge | link = https://familysearch.org/ask/ | name = Get Help}}
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Using a [[Help:Subpages|subpage]] is the most popular method for archiving a talk page. There are two alternative procedures which can be used to create a subpage: ''Cut and paste'' or ''move''. Whichever way you prefer, you should generally stick to one procedure or the other on any given page, since mixing the two may cause confusion. Archive pages should be named as follows: take the name of the talk page, and add <tt>'/Archive #</tt>', where <tt>'#'</tt> is the number of the archive. {{Note|Please note that the word 'Archive' has a capital 'A', there is a space before the number, and that there are no leading zeros.}} <br> For example: the 20th archive of [[Talk:England]] would be named <tt>Talk:England/Archive 20</tt> the first archive of [[User talk:Example user]] would be named <tt>User talk:Example user/Archive 1. </tt>Remember to use the correct namespace – the part before the colon (<tt>:</tt>);– when archiving your own user talk page. It should start with "<tt>User talk:</tt>", not "<tt>Talk:</tt>". {{Contributor Help badge | link = https://familysearch.org/ask/ | name = Get Help}}
== Cut and paste procedure ==
== Cut and paste procedure ==
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#Click on '''edit this page''' for the talk page you wish to archive.
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#Click on '''edit this page''' for the talk page you wish to archive.
#In the edit box, highlight all the text you want to archive, right-click (Windows/Linux) or control-click (Mac) and then select '''<span style="color:red">cut</span>'''. The text will then be copied to your clipboard. Note that any [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject|WikiProject]] header templates should remain on the main talk page and should not be cut and pasted to an archive page.
#In the edit box, highlight all the text you want to archive, right-click (Windows/Linux) or control-click (Mac) and then select '''<span style="color:red">cut</span>'''. The text will then be copied to your clipboard. Note that any [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject|WikiProject]] header templates should remain on the main talk page and should not be cut and pasted to an archive page.
#While still in the edit window, [[Help:Links|make a link]] to the archive name you plan on creating – you can link directly to a subpage by putting a slash (/) in front of it.
#While still in the edit window, [[Help:Links|make a link]] to the archive name you plan on creating – you can link directly to a subpage by putting a slash (/) in front of it.
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#Alter the redirect link on the now empty talk page into an ordinary link so that the Archive can be found by clicking on the link. It is probably best to place the link into an archive template (How to do this is described in the [[#Archive_box|archive box]] section below).
#Alter the redirect link on the now empty talk page into an ordinary link so that the Archive can be found by clicking on the link. It is probably best to place the link into an archive template (How to do this is described in the [[#Archive_box|archive box]] section below).
#Cut and paste any [[WikiProject]] header templates from the archive page back to the new talk page.
#Cut and paste any [[WikiProject]] header templates from the archive page back to the new talk page.
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#Copy discussions that are still active back to the original talk page. If the active discussions are large, as an alternative, copy the section headers of the active discussions onto the new page and provide a link to the same section in the archive eg
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: {| style="background-color: #efe" class="FCK__ShowTableBorders" |- | '''Archive standards''']] <br>
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#Copy discussions that are still active back to the original talk page. If the active discussions are large, as an alternative, copy the section headers of the active discussions onto the new page and provide a link to the same section in the archive eg:{| style="background-color: #efe" class="FCK__ShowTableBorders" |- | '''Archive standards''']] <br>
==== Advantages and disadvantages of the move procedure ====
==== Advantages and disadvantages of the move procedure ====
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If the archive page is a numbered archive page ("Archive #" where # is the number of the archive), you can add a navigation template to make it easier to navigate through to other numbered archives.
If the archive page is a numbered archive page ("Archive #" where # is the number of the archive), you can add a navigation template to make it easier to navigate through to other numbered archives.
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*<tt>'''{{tl|archive-nav}}'''</tt> needs the archive number as a parameter
– for example <tt><nowiki>{{archive-nav|3}}</nowiki></tt> on Archive 3.
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*<tt>'''{{tl|archive-nav}}'''</tt> needs the archive number as a parameter – for example <tt><nowiki>{{archive-nav|3}}</nowiki></tt> on Archive 3.
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*<tt>'''{{tl|archive nav}}'''</tt> similar to the above, but a dynamic list of links,
– for example <tt><nowiki>{{archive nav|33}}</nowiki></tt> on Archive 33.
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*<tt>'''{{tl|archive nav}}'''</tt> similar to the above, but a dynamic list of links, – for example <tt><nowiki>{{archive nav|33}}</nowiki></tt> on Archive 33.
*<tt>'''{{tl|atn}}'''</tt> is similar, but doesn't need a parameter.
*<tt>'''{{tl|atn}}'''</tt> is similar, but doesn't need a parameter.
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*On regularly archived talk pages, it is useful to have an "archive box" template. Common usage is to place the archive box below other header templates and before the first section heading so that the box appears to the right of the table of contents. If the new archive has been created through the [[#Cut_and_paste_procedure|cut and paste procedure]] and if the page already has an archive box, add the link to the new archive page to it. If the new archive has been created through the [[#Move_procedure|move procedure]] and if an archive template already exists, copy the archive template from the newly created archive page to the talk page and add a link to the new archive page to it. If there is no archive box yet, you may want to set one up:<tt>{{talk archive|Talk:Newtalkpage}}</tt>:may be a good idea for pages with a very large number of archives (such as [[Talk:Main Page]]); this uses a separate subpage to list the archives. {{archive box|[[/Old page|Old page]]. [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]]. [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]].}}
*On regularly archived talk pages, it is useful to have an "archive box" template. Common usage is to place the archive box below other header templates and before the first section heading so that the box appears to the right of the table of contents. If the new archive has been created through the [[#Cut_and_paste_procedure|cut and paste procedure]] and if the page already has an archive box, add the link to the new archive page to it. If the new archive has been created through the [[#Move_procedure|move procedure]] and if an archive template already exists, copy the archive template from the newly created archive page to the talk page and add a link to the new archive page to it. If there is no archive box yet, you may want to set one up:<tt>{{talk archive|Talk:Newtalkpage}}</tt>:may be a good idea for pages with a very large number of archives (such as [[Talk:Main Page]]); this uses a separate subpage to list the archives. {{archive box|[[/Old page|Old page]]. [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]]. [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]].}}
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*'''<tt>{{Archive box collapsible|[[/Archive]]}}</tt>'''
:generates a floating box for the archive links. Just place your link as a parameter, for example <tt>'''<nowiki>{{Archive box|[[/Archive 1]]}}</nowiki>'''</tt>. Multiple archives can be named, linked and labeled in various ways. See the example archive box to the right. The [[wikipedia:How to edit a page|wiki code]] used in the example box is: <tt>''''<nowiki>{{archive box|[[/Archive. Old page|Old page]]. [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]]. [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]].}}</nowiki>'''</tt> (the example links are <span style="color:red">red</span> because the pages they link to do not actually exist) (for details see the [[Template:Archive box|template page]]). As an alternative, provided the archives are in the precise format of "Archive ''numbered-sequence''", the list can be generated auto-magically using '''<nowiki>{{archive box | auto=yes }}</nowiki>''' or '''<nowiki>{{archive box | auto=long }}</nowiki>''' (for details see [[Template:Archive box#Automatic_links|Automatic links]])
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*'''<tt>{{Archive box collapsible|[[/Archive]]}}</tt>''':generates a floating box for the archive links. Just place your link as a parameter, for example <tt>'''<nowiki>{{Archive box|[[/Archive 1]]}}</nowiki>'''</tt>. Multiple archives can be named, linked and labeled in various ways. See the example archive box to the right. The [[wikipedia:How to edit a page|wiki code]] used in the example box is: <tt>''''<nowiki>{{archive box|[[/Archive. Old page|Old page]]. [[/Archive 1|Archive 1]]. [[/Archive 2|Archive 2]].}}</nowiki>'''</tt> (the example links are <span style="color:red">red</span> because the pages they link to do not actually exist) (for details see the [[Template:Archive box|template page]]). As an alternative, provided the archives are in the precise format of "Archive ''numbered-sequence''", the list can be generated auto-magically using '''<nowiki>{{archive box | auto=yes }}</nowiki>''' or '''<nowiki>{{archive box | auto=long }}</nowiki>''' (for details see [[Template:Archive box#Automatic_links|Automatic links]])
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*{{archive box collapsible|box-width=238px| *[[/Archive. Old page|Old page]] *[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] *[[/Archive 2|Archive 2]]}}
'''<tt>{{tl|archive box collapsible}}</tt>'''
:is a visual modification of <tt><nowiki>{{archive box}}</nowiki></tt>, which generates a collapsible box that can be opened with a click. It works with the same parameters as <tt><nowiki>{{archive
box}}</nowiki></tt>. See the example to the right. Detailed instructions are on the [[Template:Archive box collapsible|template page]]. {{My talk archives|[[User talk:Example user|Link]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Example_user Link], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Example_user&oldid=198258714 Permanent link]]}}
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*{{archive box collapsible|box-width=238px| *[[/Archive. Old page|Old page]] *[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] *[[/Archive 2|Archive 2]]}} '''<tt>{{tl|archive box collapsible}}</tt>''':is a visual modification of <tt><nowiki>{{archive box}}</nowiki></tt>, which generates a collapsible box that can be opened with a click. It works with the same parameters as <tt><nowiki>{{archive box}}</nowiki></tt>. See the example to the right. Detailed instructions are on the [[Template:Archive box collapsible|template page]]. {{My talk archives|[[User talk:Example user|Link]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Example_user Link], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Example_user&oldid=198258714 Permanent link]]}}
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*'''<tt>{{tl|My talk archives}}</tt>'''
:specifically for a user talk page. It is small and scrolls so it doesn’t dominate the page. Usage instructions are on the [[Template:My talk archives|template page]]. {{clear}}<br>
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*'''<tt>{{tl|My talk archives}}</tt>''':specifically for a user talk page. It is small and scrolls so it doesn’t dominate the page. Usage instructions are on the [[Template:My talk archives|template page]]. {{clear}}<br>
== Automatic archive box ==
== Automatic archive box ==
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Both {{tl|archive box}} and {{tl|archive box collapsible}} can automatically list links to archives. Instructions are on both of the template pages. One example is <tt><nowiki>{{archive box|auto=yes}}</nowiki></tt>. It will automatically create an archive box of links to archives labeled "Archive 1", "Archive 2", etc..
Archives with other names can be added as parameters.
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Both {{tl|archive box}} and {{tl|archive box collapsible}} can automatically list links to archives. Instructions are on both of the template pages. One example is <tt><nowiki>{{archive box|auto=yes}}</nowiki></tt>. It will automatically create an archive box of links to archives labeled "Archive 1", "Archive 2", etc.. Archives with other names can be added as parameters.
== Archive searching ==
== Archive searching ==
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If there are several archives, it is easy to search them all at once using the optional search parameter ''prefix''. For example, suppose we want to begin a discussion about adding a probate section to the Wales article. Before bringing up the topic we can do the following search: <code>{{search link|probate prefix:Talk:Wales/}}</code>. This will look in all the subpages of the Wales article in its ''Talk'' namespace. The templates {{tl|archives}}, {{tl|archive box}}, and {{tl|talk header}} have a parameter |search=yes which provides a helpful search box on the talk page to automate searching.
It is recommended that when a page is archived, such a template be put on the surviving talk page to simplify access to past discussions.
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If there are several archives, it is easy to search them all at once using the optional search parameter ''prefix''. For example, suppose we want to begin a discussion about adding a probate section to the Wales article. Before bringing up the topic we can do the following search: <code>{{search link|probate prefix:Talk:Wales/}}</code>. This will look in all the subpages of the Wales article in its ''Talk'' namespace. The templates {{tl|archives}}, {{tl|archive box}}, and {{tl|talk header}} have a parameter |search=yes which provides a helpful search box on the talk page to automate searching. It is recommended that when a page is archived, such a template be put on the surviving talk page to simplify access to past discussions.
== Permanent link archives method ==
== Permanent link archives method ==
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*Go to the talk page you wish to archive and click on '''permanent link''' in the toolbox section of the left sidebar. Alternatively, go to the page history of the talk page and select the revision you want to use.
*Go to the talk page you wish to archive and click on '''permanent link''' in the toolbox section of the left sidebar. Alternatively, go to the page history of the talk page and select the revision you want to use.
*Copy the complete URL from the navigation bar of your web browser
*Copy the complete URL from the navigation bar of your web browser
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*'''Edit''' the talk page and delete the text you want to archive. While you're still in the edit window, make a link to the URL you copied at the top. Keep in mind that syntax for full URL links is different than for Wikilinks. Here is an example: <code><nowiki>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:How_to_archive_a_Talk_page&oldid=1709131 Archive 1]: June 2004
– May 2005</nowiki></code>
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*'''Edit''' the talk page and delete the text you want to archive. While you're still in the edit window, make a link to the URL you copied at the top. Keep in mind that syntax for full URL links is different than for Wikilinks. Here is an example: <code><nowiki>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:How_to_archive_a_Talk_page&oldid=1709131 Archive 1]: June 2004 – May 2005</nowiki></code>
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*Save. You have now archived a talk page. You can make the link shorter, and hence keep the wikitext of the page more readable, by replacing the path to the page with a <tt><nowiki>{{fullurl}}</nowiki></tt> link, leaving the "oldid" section at the end. For example, the link given above could be replaced by this
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:<tt><nowiki>[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|oldid=1709131}} Archive 1]</nowiki></tt> which would display as [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|oldid=1709131}} Archive 1]. If you wish, you can also prevent the "external link" icon from appearing (since this isn't an external link anyway) by enclosing the link with <span>tags like this: </span>
:<tt><nowiki><span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|oldid=1709131}} Archive 1]</span></nowiki></tt> which displays as <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|oldid=1709131}} Archive </span><span class="plainlinks" />
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*Save. You have now archived a talk page. You can make the link shorter, and hence keep the wikitext of the page more readable, by replacing the path to the page with a <tt><nowiki>{{fullurl}}</nowiki></tt> link, leaving the "oldid" section at the end. For example, the link given above could be replaced by this:<tt><nowiki>[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|oldid=1709131}} Archive 1]</nowiki></tt> which would display as [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|oldid=1709131}} Archive 1]. If you wish, you can also prevent the "external link" icon from appearing (since this isn't an external link anyway) by enclosing the link with <span>tags like this: </span>:<tt><nowiki><span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|oldid=1709131}} Archive 1]</span></nowiki></tt> which displays as <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|oldid=1709131}} Archive </span><span class="plainlinks" />
*<span class="plainlinks">==</span><span class="plainlinks" /><span class="plainlinks" />
*<span class="plainlinks">==</span><span class="plainlinks" /><span class="plainlinks" />
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==Advantages of this method==
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== Advantages of this method ==
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*It is simpler and requires fewer resources.
*It is simpler and requires fewer resources.
*There is some guarantee that the discussions have not been altered mistakenly or by vandals.
*There is some guarantee that the discussions have not been altered mistakenly or by vandals.