2017-02-24

Rolling coverage of reaction to the Stoke and Copeland byelections results, including Jeremy Corbyn’s speech on the road to Brexit

4.57pm GMT

Thanks for following the blog today and for all your comments. Here is a summary of the day’s events:

4.52pm GMT

Despite the historic nature of the Conservative win in Copeland, on the Prospect website, Jay Welwes argues it was a pyrrhic victory for the prime minister:

It looks like victory, and in the short-term, it is. But in the longer-term, its effects work against [Theresa] May, not for her. Because the more powerful she becomes domestically, the more confident the pro-Brexit Tory core becomes and the further it drives them into their error of mistaking domestic prowess for foreign influence.

The by-election victory will only boost the expectations of the eurosceptics, who will see in their domination of British politics license to take a tough negotiating line with the EU. But what they are really doing is setting themselves and their prime minister up for a catastrophic fall. Copeland will, in its way, boost the Conservative Brexiters’ confidence. The “mandate creep” towards hard Brexit continues. And the higher the expectations of the Brexit brigade, the more painful will be their eventual and inevitable landing.

4.31pm GMT

Some more interesting byelection statistics:

Last Copeland by-election statistic, from @AlastairMeeks https://t.co/ghjizFfzjg pic.twitter.com/GePH3609oF

Copeland is only the second ever by-election (after Rotherham in 2012) where the top 4 places have all been taken by women

4.16pm GMT

John Hannett, the general secretary of the Union of Shop, Distributive and Allied Workers (Usdaw), has called the the result a “wake up call” and warned the Labour party not to “pass the buck”. Usdaw is a critical union affiliated to the Labour party but one of the few that did not back Corbyn in the leadership campaign.

Hannett told the Guardian:

We can’t dismiss these by-elections or blame other people - whether previous politicians or the media. All of that is a distraction from why isn’t the current Labour party connecting with voters.

You can’t win an election purely from an internal base - you have to have vision and reach to people not yet convinced. Yesterday’s result is a further wake up call that there is a need for an urgent debate within the party, from the leader and across the piste, as to why we do not seem to be connecting with the wider public...

We determine our strategy but it is difficult to get an understanding of your policy when - at the moment - the public is not listening.

3.56pm GMT

Jeremy Corbyn was irked by members of the media shouting competing questions at him during his brief appearance in Stoke this afternoon.

"Why can't you learn to be polite to each other instead of continually interrupting each other?" 2/2

Corbyn on the media again: "Many in the media wrote us off and said Ukip are going to win that place, Ukip are going to take it."

Snell on the media AGAIN: “This was a seat which many of you in the media had written the Labour party off on... We've shown you all..."

3.42pm GMT

Moving away from the byelections for a moment, the Tory MP who told critics of the government’s policy on child refugees that they should stop being “so sentimental” has hit back at the media, claiming her comments were “misconstrued”.

Pauline Latham took to Twitter to protest at the Guardian and other media’s reports on her remarks and has now issued a statement saying it is wrong to suggest she does not care about unaccompanied children trying to get into the UK.
She wrote in a circular to voters who had contacted her to complain:

Almost immediately after my speech articles went out in the press which only quoted the phrase ‘stop being so sentimental’ and implied that I had no concern at all refugees, which is completely untrue.

I care a great deal about refugees and the appalling plight they face. I have visited two Jordanian refugee camps and one in Turkey and have spoken to refugee children. I did that out of concern for them, not a lack of it. Indeed I was at the speech in the first place because I care about their plight, and want to consider the best way to help them.

3.36pm GMT

Baroness Smith, the shadow leader of the House of Lords and a former Labour MP, has urged Jeremy Corbyn to think “long and hard” about what she called the devastating defeat in Copeland.

3.12pm GMT

Channel 4 News’s Michael Crick says Corbyn refused to answer whether he still wants a general election. The Labour leader ignored all questions from reporters.

Last year Corbyn called for general election. I asked him 14 times today if still wants that. 14 times wouldn't say. pic.twitter.com/vx8vc1B5Z5

3.08pm GMT

Jeremy Corbyn has made an appearance in Stoke. He said the result was result was “very disappointing” but made clear he was determined to carry on.

I was elected to lead this party. I am proud to lead this party. We will continue our campaigning work on the NHS, on social care, on housing.

Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn says the victory over strong UKIP opposition in Stoke-on-Trent proves that "hope triumphs over fear" pic.twitter.com/jMtkQH1Xj4

2.55pm GMT

One more analysis piece to add to that list is Ian Dunt on politics.co.uk who paints a depressing picture of the opposition:

So what happens now? The so-called Labour moderates have not just been silenced by the Owen Smith contest. They are also petrified by Brexit and the witch hunt against anyone who tries to ‘thwart the will of the people’. Theresa May’s steely gaze in the Lords this week, as peers debated amendments to the Article 50 bill, looks upon MPs as well, daring them to stand up and oppose her plans and be branded traitors to the country by her cabal of rabid newspaper supporters and parliamentarians. The only thing that unites the right and left of the Labour party is terror over Brexit and Brexit is the only political subject which matters.

There’s just not much going on. Corbyn offers no hope. His opponents offer no hope. Labour does not appear prepared to split or to select a new leader. Instead it is just slumped on the floor, occasionally twitching, although even that sometimes seems too much for it now. The fact it can even win a by-election in Stoke is actually impressive. It shows the resilience of the Labour brand despite the utter poverty of those who represent it in parliament.

2.49pm GMT

Here is a round-up of some the most interesting analysis of last night’s results.

The scrutiny is understandably on Labour and its leadership but Anthony Wells on UK polling report notes that Ukip is also faced with some tough questions after its disappointing performance in Stoke Central:

It does perhaps give us a idea of the limits to the Ukip threat to Labour. Ukip were perceived as the main challengers from the beginning and it was a promising seat for them: a somewhat neglected working class Labour seat that voted strongly for Brexit, but with a Labour candidate who was remain. They seem to have thrown all they could at it, but with very little success. Again, we can’t be certain why – Paul Nuttall obviously had a difficult campaign and anecdotally Ukip’s ground game was poor, but there are also wider questions about Ukip’s viability now Brexit has been adopted by the Conservatives and without Farage at their helm.

People are voting Tory in the full knowledge that the NHS is collapsing, being privatised, that refugee children are being left molested at Calais and that a bunch of Tory incompetents are in charge - because they want Brexit.

Brexit, not nuclear power, is the thing blinding a large section of the English and Welsh electorate at present and that will not change until the negotiations go catastrophically wrong, and the economic disaster unfolds Everybody on the progressive side of British politics needs to understand this will take some time.

Of course, Labour’s problems are deeper than Corbyn’s leadership. Brexit would have divided the party even – perhaps especially – if it had been led by someone who sincerely opposed it. But it must now be obvious to the 313,000 party members and supporters who re-elected Corbyn just five months ago that his leadership is unsustainable. What is less obvious is the answer to the question that got Corbyn to the leadership in the first place: who would be a better choice?

Labour woke up to the news that voters in Copeland felt it more important to send a signal to Labour its leadership – and its plans for their jobs, were it ever to get into power – than hit a Tory government on the nose for actually closing their maternity unit and urgent care centre while the campaign was running ...

[Shadow chancellor John] McDonnell and a small number of shadow cabinet members are the only ones keeping Corbyn in office. It is time to accept his rumoured wish to resign. Failing that they condemn the Labour party to the same fate as the hard-left’s leadership of the party – irrecoverable decline.

2.33pm GMT

It never rains, it pours...

Jeremy Corbyn's day has just got worse. The train which was meant to take him to Stoke for his belated victory lap has been cancelled.

2.27pm GMT

“Labour will never come back again here.” That is the common portentous view among lunchtime drinkers in the Mirehouse Labour Social Club, the hub of life on Whitehaven’s biggest estate.

Savouring a cheap pint the day after the Conservative party ended Labour’s eight decade rule in Copeland, the lifetime Labour voters expressed antipathy towards Jeremy Corbyn and deep disillusionment about politics in general.

2.15pm GMT

These are from the Independent’s John Rentoul.

Labour’s share of vote has dropped in every by-election since EU referendum: Witney -2 %pts, Richmond -9, Sleaford -7, Stoke -2, Copeland -5

Lib Dem share of vote has increased in every by-election since #EUref: Witney +23 %points, Richmond +30, Sleaford +5, Stoke +6, Copeland +4

2.08pm GMT

In the comments refitman asked this.

@AndrewSparrow -

Regarding your 12:24 post, can you explain how May would throw an early election, considering the FTPA? Journalists and pundits keep mentioning the possibility of an early election, but it's not as simple as it used to be.

2.00pm GMT

On the Daily Politics earlier Ian Lavery, who is Labour’s joint elections coordinator along with Andrew Gwynne, criticised people who were using the Copeland result to attack Jeremy Corbyn.

That’s being spewed out onto the media this morning. The attack, whether it is Stoke or Copeland, is being solely focused on why everybody should get rid of Jeremy Corbyn. In fact, Jeremy Corbyn is one of the most popular politicians in the country at this moment in time.

The issues in Copeland weren’t about Jeremy Corbyn. The issues in Copeland were about jobs and about the economy. People were worried about those.

1.55pm GMT

Theo Bertram, a former adviser to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, has written an interesting blog looking at Labour’s problem in Copeland. He goes into detail about how the party has been losing support amongst skilled working-class (C2) and semi-skilled and unskilled workers (DEs).

Here are three key charts from his blog. This shows how Labour’s working class support has declined over the last 40 years.

Working class voters looked at Corbyn and made up their minds in the first two months. On the left, in September 2015, 32% of C2DEs had no opinion on whether Corbyn was doing a good or bad job. Only 30% thought he was doing a bad job. By November 2015, only 14% didn’t know. 63% thought he was doing a bad job.

David Cameron put off working class voters, Theresa May does not.

In April 2016, Cameron had a net satisfaction rating among working class voters of minus 35%. 62% of them thought he was doing a bad job (nearly as many as Corbyn).

1.38pm GMT

The former Labour mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, a longstanding ally of Jeremy Corbyn’s, has also claimed that what happened under New Labour led to the party losing in Copeland. Livingstone told Sky News:

If you look at the collapse in the vote, 20 years ago when Tony Blair won his first election, we got 58% of the vote in Copeland.

Two years ago at the last election that had collapsed down to about 4% more than we got yesterday.

1.32pm GMT

A sernior Ukip figure has criticised the campaign fought by Paul Nuttall in Stoke, arguing he was poorly advised in seeking to tackle Labour on their own policies, rather than keeping the party’s reputation as a radical voice.

Bill Etheridge, one of Ukip MEPs for the West Midlands region, said he hope Nuttall would instead pursue a “Farage-ist approach” from now on, arguing that the Stoke Central result – which saw the Ukip leader come within 79 votes of being pushed into third place – had been a failure for the party. Etheridge said:

I’m very disappointed at the result, but extremely proud of the work the activists put in. I’m 100% supportive of Paul continuing as the leader, but I believe there is room for us to be more of a challenging, radical, rightwing party, with libertarian values at the forefront, which I think have got obscured of late.

Maybe some of Paul’s advisers have led him down a dead end on this. We are all going to back Paul, but hopefully, we’ll win the argument for the party to get back to its real roots, of challenging authority and a sort of Farage-ist approach to the future.Etheridge’s comments indicate the party remains still split between modernisers, keen to take on Labour on issues such as NHS spending, and more traditional elements, who prefer a robust approach on areas such as immigration and crime.

1.27pm GMT

Earlier the Labour MP John Woodcock criticised people blaming the last Labour government for the defeat in Copeland. (See 12.06pm.) At the time I said I had not seen anyone explicitly making that claim, but Woodcock may have been referring to these tweets from Ken Loach, the filmmaker and Corbyn supporter.

KL* The loss of Copeland was the fault of the years of Blair, Brown and their apologists in the PLP.

KL* The politics of exploiting the working class has led, surprise surprise, to an alienated working class.

KL* Those who should represent them but chose not to are the most excoriated and despised of all.

1.21pm GMT

Dave Prentis, general secretary of Unison, Britain’s biggest public sector union and a powerful force in Labour politics, has issued what sounds rather like an ultimatum to Jeremy Corbyn. In a statement he implied that Corbyn was partly to blame for the Copeland defeat (the blame “does not lie solely” with Corbyn) and he said the Labour leader must “take responsibility” for turning things around.

While it was pleasing to see Ukip put in its place, Stoke should never have been in doubt and the result in Copeland was disastrous.

The blame for these results does not lie solely with Jeremy Corbyn, but he must take responsibility for what happens next. Nurses, teaching assistants, care workers and ordinary people everywhere need a Labour government. Jeremy has to show he understands how to turn things around and deliver just that.

1.09pm GMT

This is what Theresa May told Conservative activists in Copeland when she spoke to them a few minutes ago.

This is an astounding victory for the Conservative party, but also for the people of Copeland. Labour have held this seat since the 1930s. A party in government has not won a byelection in a seat held by the opposition for 35 years. And you know what people were saying about this election. Labour were saying, ‘We’re going to win it.’ Experts were saying Labour would increase their majority. But all of you, the volunteers who went out there day in and day out and campaigned, you have made sure that that did not happen, that this is truly a wonderful victory for the Conservative party, but also for the people of Copeland.

And what I think we’ve seen from this victory is that this truly is a government that is working for everyone and for every part of this country.

12.50pm GMT

Theresa May is in Copeland, and she is speaking to Conservative activists now.

She says the experts expected Labour to win in this constituency. But the party has shown that it is truly working for everyone.

12.47pm GMT

Nigel Farage, the former Ukip leader, has used an interview with Sky to say that his party should have been clearer on immigration and that it needs to improve its election machine. These are from Sky’s Tamara Cohen.

EXC Nigel Farage tells me Ukip message in Stoke "could have been clearer on immigration" and was too mainstream

Farage says last night's votes were 'big disappointments' and Ukip has work to do to improve its election machine

Farage: "we failed to get tactical votes from the conservatives, TM has taken up the Brexit mantle and people believe her, for now" #stoke

12.41pm GMT

Here is Marc Stears, a key adviser to Ed Miliband when Milband was Labour leader, on the Copeland result.

In 2013, Labour won Corby by-election with a 12% swing. If you're looking for GE predictions frm Copeland, that's the relevant comparison.

12.39pm GMT

Here is the verdict on the byelections from a Guardian Comment panel, with contributions from Gaby Hinsliff, Gary Younge, Polly Toynbee and Giles Fraser.

Related: What next for Labour and Corbyn after the byelections? | Gaby Hinsliff, Gary Younge, Polly Toynbee and Giles Fraser

12.30pm GMT

On Whitehaven marina, opinion among traditional Labour voters is united on one issue: Jeremy Corbyn.

Many commentators felt his perceived anti-nuclear stance would prove toxic in Copeland, where more than 10,000 jobs rely on the industry, but it appears that the feeling runs far deeper than that.

12.24pm GMT

In Copeland Theresa May secured the biggest rise in the share of the vote for a governing party in a byelection since Labour at the Hull North byelection in 1966. (See 7.49am.) That result encouraged Harold Wilson to call an early election.

Asked at the Number 10 lobby briefing if Theresa May would do the same, the prime minister’s spokesman said:

The prime minister has set out the position very clearly on a general election. There are no plans for one.

12.06pm GMT

The Labour MP John Woodcock, who has been a persistent critic of Jeremy Corbyn and whose Barrow and Furness seat is next to Copeland, has used Twitter to argue that the Blair/Brown governments cannot be blamed for Labour’s defeat last night.

Let's not insult people's intelligence by saying this Copeland defeat is because voters were alienated by the last Labour government 1/3

2/3 Labour's majority in Copeland went down in 2015 after five years of oppposition but it in actually went up in 2005, biggest swing in UK

3/3 And Labour's Copeland majority was 8k in 2010 even after boundary changes which brought in Tory leaning Keswick.

Labour listened to 1000s of voters on the doorstep. Both constituencies, like so many, have been let down by the political establishment

The political establishment has let down Copeland and Stoke, who have seen their industries gutted, living standards stagnate and hope for a better future for their children and grandchildren decline.

Copeland voters so disillusioned with the "political establishment" they elected a Tory MP. https://t.co/9OVEJOwLma

11.51am GMT

Paddy Ashdown, the former Lib Dem leader who is campaigning for progressive parties to work together against the Tories, claims the Copeland result supports his argument.

Copeland: Another wake-up call for Progressives to get their act together or get run over by a Tory juggernaut indistinguishable from UKIP

11.45am GMT

My colleague John Harris is particularly unimpressed with John McDonnell’s take on the reasons for Labour’s defeat in Copeland. (See 7.22am and 8.05am.)

I know politicians hit with difficult news always talk crap, but Labour's stuff this morning is off the scale.

11.30am GMT

And here is video footage of Jeremy Corbyn responding to the Chris Ship question. (See 11.23am.)

11.23am GMT

Corbyn’s Q&A is over.

Here is the full text of Chris Ship’s question, and Jeremy Corbyn’s answer. (See 11.03am.)

Ship: I want to ask you specifically about Copeland. Since you found out that you’d lost a seat to the governing party for the first time since the Falklands War, have you at any point this morning looked in the mirror and asked yourself this question: ‘Could the problem actually be me?’

Corbyn: No.

11.13am GMT

Corbyn says Labour will be challenging the government’s great repeal bill.

It will be challenging it to ensure that employment and environmental protections are maintained.

11.10am GMT

Corbyn says there is a lot of anger amongst voters in Europe at the moment.

The challenge is to turn that into a positive force, he says.

11.09am GMT

Corbyn is now taking questions from the political attendees at the Labour event, not journalists. But one questioner said he had a point to make about the byelections. It reminded him of the first world war general who said the situation was catastrophic, but not serious, he said.

11.03am GMT

Q: [To ITV’s Chris Ship, on his last day in his job] Stoke was a Labour seat which you retained. Since you have found out that you have lost a seat to a governing party for the first time since the Falklands, have you at any point looked in the mirror this morning and thought you might be the problem?

No, says Corbyn.

11.01am GMT

Corbyn’s speech is over.

He is now taking questions.

10.58am GMT

Corbyn says today’s conference will allow European progressive parties to set out their goals for an alternative future for Europe.

10.57am GMT

Theresa May is more interested in looking across the Atlantic to President Trump, he says. But he says Labour wants to strengthen, not weaken, relations with countries in the EU.

10.56am GMT

Corbyn says he wants to applaud voters in Europe who have chosen hope over fear, like those most recently voting in the Austrian presidential elections.

He says he thinks the same thing will happen in the French presidential elections.

10.54am GMT

Corbyn says he also wants to talk to Labour’s sister parties at the conference today about further European cooperation.

Labour will not turn is back on Europe.

10.52am GMT

And he says the rights of EU nationals living in the UK must be guaranteed.

The rights of EU nationals living and working in Britain must be guaranteed now – just as the rights of UK nationals must be protected across the rest of the EU.

It is a scandal that our government is trying to use citizens of the EU, who have made their homes in Britain, as a bargaining chip ...

10.51am GMT

Corbyn says if the UK becomes a low-tax, low-regulation honeypot after Brexit, as Theresa May has threatened, the government will not be able to fund proper public services.

10.49am GMT

Corbyn says Labour wants the UK to continue to participate in the Erasmus programme (an EU student exchange scheme) after Brexit.

10.49am GMT

Corbyn says Labour would deliver key infrastructure projects, including a Crossrail for the north of England.

10.48am GMT

Corbyn says trade union voices must be listened to in the Brexit debate.

Many regions in the UK are dependent on structural funds.

10.47am GMT

Corbyn says that when Theresa May says no Brexit deal is better than a bad deal, we need to be clear that no deal is a bad deal.

Britain needs continued access to European markets, he says.

10.44am GMT

Corbyn accuses Theresa May of “fake patriotic posturing”.

[The government has] wrapped Brexit up in fake patriotic posturing, waving the Union Jack while preparing to sell out our public services and consumer protections to US corporations, cheered on by the corporate media, who pile up their wealth in overseas tax havens while posing as national champions and fostering division both at home and abroad.

Let me be clear, those who actually love their country would never seek to divide it.

Theresa May has dangled the threat of turning Britain into a bargain basement tax haven if the European Union doesn’t play ball.

Let’s be clear: slashing taxes still further for big business, and cutting essential regulation in jobs, the environment, consumer protection, will be a magnet for north American corporate giants - that’s not just a threat and a danger to the European Union, it’s a threat and a danger to the British people, effectively turning all of us into bargaining chips.

10.41am GMT

Corbyn says Labour can shape Britain’s future. And it can stop a divisive, Tory Brexit. But to do that it must be united.

Our future should not be decided by a cabal of rightwing zealots, he says.

10.39am GMT

Jeremy Corbyn is speaking now. There is a live feed at the top of this blog.

He says Labour is determined to play a pro-active role in Europe in the future.

10.32am GMT

The Labour MP Ian Lavery said leadership did not come up on the doorstep when he was in Copeland. “Honestly, Jeremy Corbyn did not come up when I was knocking on doors,” he said.

However, he said voters did claim that they couldn’t back a party that was divided. “Disunity is one of the major issues,” he said.
Lavery admitted that it was a hugely disappointing night in the Cumbrian seat, but argued it hadn’t been a safe bet.

Copeland was not a good result- if is a heartland we have had control of for many years but it is a marginal and has been since 1997. Since then it has been in decline. We need bold and imaginative policies.

10.25am GMT

Jeremy Corbyn recorded a clip for broadcasters before he started his speech. Referring to the Copeland result, he said:

Copeland is obviously very disappointing. I hoped we’d have won the election there. We didn’t ...

I was elected to lead this party. I was elected to lead this party to oppose austerity, to oppose the redistribution of wealth in the wrong direction, which is what this government is doing. We will continue our campaigning work on the NHS, on social care, on housing.

10.17am GMT

Jeremy Corbyn is about to give a speech in London on the theme “Road to Brexit”.

10.15am GMT

On Twitter the academic Rob Ford says the Conservatives may have won in Copeland by squeezing the Ukip vote.

In Copeland, Con vote increased by almost identical share as UKIP vote dropped. Quite possible Cons won by consolidating Leave vote there.

But by taking UKIP leave vote alone, without eating into any Lab Leave votes at all. Q is - how many Lab marginals could Cons win this way?

Today some people have been saying the Ukip ballon has completely popped. We still have a second-placed radical right party in a Labour seat with 25% of the vote. That is a significant issue for all the main parties to think about.

But also, let’s assume Theresa May wins back half of the Ukip vote. Labour MPs today are cheering the demise of Ukip. What does that mean for Labour? It means that around 45 seats will go to the Conservatives pretty quickly at the next election quite easily, because you have Labour MPs on small majorities where Ukip has around 15/20% of the vote. So Theresa May’s strategy right now, I would suggest, is spot on.

10.00am GMT

Cbris Prosser, an academic who works on the British Election Study, has got an interesting take on the byelection results.

One thing that's getting lost in the by-election fallout - Labour got a slightly higher vote share in Copeland than it did in Stoke. 1/

At the end of the day seats are what matters, but *why* Labour won one but not the other gets lost if you just look at who gets to be MP 2/

In simple terms: Labour won Stoke because the Conservative/UKIP vote was split. Labour didn’t do better in Stoke, they did worse 3/

As @jon_mellon and Geoff Evans argued, UKIP helps Labour win seats by drawing away potential Conservative voters https://t.co/q6UPOi00Dg 4/

What would have happened if UKIP hadn't put such a high profile candidate up in Stoke? Maybe that too would have a new Conservative MP 5/

Labour shouldn’t be scared of UKIP, they should be terrified of the Conservatives and what happens if the UKIP flow to Con continues 6/6

A different interpretation of the #CopelandByElection and #StokeByElection results (@MattSingh_) => bigger swing rightwards in Stoke! pic.twitter.com/Y6fztlk3qJ

9.52am GMT

Nigel Farage, the former Ukip leader, has given an interview to Piers Morgan for a Piers Morgan’s Life Stories programme being broadcast on ITV this evening. In it Farage says he is living like a “virtual prisoner” and is “frightened” to leave his home because of the way the media has “demonised” Ukip.

Referring to Ukip members with extremist or racist views whose comments have been highlighted by the media, Farage says:

It is because of these irrelevant people, who held no position, they happened to join an organisation, and because of these irrelevant people being demonised by liberal media, I’ve had to live years, frankly, of being frightened of walking out into the street all because the media picked out these people. And because of these people, attempted to demonise me and give me a bad name.

And you’re surprised three years on, when I have to live like a virtual prisoner, that I’m not happy about it? Will I ever forgive the British media for what they’ve done to me? No.

9.46am GMT

The Labour MP David Winnick has urged Jeremy Corbyn to consider his position in the light of the party’s defeat in Copeland. He told the Press Association:

The party is faced with the problem of a leader who is simply not acceptable to a large number of people who would normally vote Labour. That it is an obstacle and it would be wrong not to recognise that.

It is now entirely up to Jeremy and those close to him to decide what is best in the interests not simply of the party but the people we are in politics to represent.

That would be quite useless. It would end in the same result as previously.

I accept that it is quite likely that when the general election comes it will be Corbyn as leader. One just has to accept that. But if I am asked if that is the best way for us to win an election I’m bound to say in all honesty the answer is no.

9.13am GMT

The Ukip deputy leader Peter Whittle told ITV this morning that it would be a mistake to write off Ukip on the basis of the loss in Stoke. He said:

When we win something in Ukip we are often called a flash in the pan. When we lose something - ‘Oh, well that’s the end of Ukip’ - nothing of the sort. Yes, last year we certainly did have a difficult time, but that’s in the past now.

9.00am GMT

Here are two articles from Guardian commentators on the byelections results.

John Harris says Labour is “racked by a deep, historic crisis that preceded the arrival of Jeremy Corbyn, but which his leadership seems to have immeasurably deepened”.

Related: This Copeland disaster shows just how big Labour’s problems are | John Harris

If he is in possession of an inspiring vision and an evangelical gift that can stir a mass movement to sweep Labour back to power, there really isn’t that much stopping him from deploying those gifts. The airwaves are available; so is the vast expanse of social media and any number of venues willing to host another rally. That was the plan when Corbyn sought ownership of the party. And now he owns it. So must he also own last night’s failure.

Related: Jeremy Corbyn, you broke it – now you must own it | Rafael Behr

8.52am GMT

Richard Angell, director of Progress, the Blairite organisation within Labour, has put out a statement saying that the Copeland result is a disaster for the party and that it should trigger a rethink by the leadership. Angell said:

In normal times, Labour would be winning midterm byelections in Labour heartlands with increased majorities. Seats held in wipeout years like 2010 and 2015 should be stacking up huge majorities, especially seven years into a Tory government.

Yet both sustained swings against Labour that would decimate the parliamentary party at the next election and see the Tories with an increased majority.

8.48am GMT

The Ukip chairman Paul Oakden was on the Today programme earlier. Here are the main points he made.

Something clearly didn’t fire yesterday in as much as the fact that we didn’t win. Politics is a long game. It took us 23-odd years to win a referendum to get Britain out of the European Union.

It may take that long for us to get a seat in Westminster via a byelection. But if that’s how long it takes then that’s what we will keep doing, because that’s what we are here for.

This party is absolutely behind Paul Nuttall as its leader. He is 12 weeks into his leadership. We are all going to support him moving forward. This is one step along a long road for our party.

He has had a difficult campaign. There is no doubt that he has been targeted by various unpleasant elements during the last four weeks.

We weren’t able to get our campaign on the ground as effective as we would have wanted to yesterday. The Labour Party did. The Labour Party have an incredibly strong and efficient campaign machine. Ukip are relatively new on the political scene.

8.37am GMT

Prof John Curtice has written an article for the Guardian arguing that recent byelection results suggest that Labour is not paying enough attention to its supporters who voted remain.

Here is his article.

Related: Remain voters must now be Labour’s top priority – Stoke and Copeland prove it | John Curtice

Labour’s share of the vote has now dropped in every single byelection since the Brexit referendum. From leafy Richmond to windswept Copeland the message has been the same : the party is struggling to hang on to the already diminished band of supporters who backed it in 2015.

The party’s problems were, of course, in evidence long before 23 June last year. But the vote to leave the EU has exacerbated them.

8.27am GMT

Here is a graphic showing the Stoke results.

8.26am GMT

Q: On Twitter last night Jeremy Corbyn said Labour had to go further. What did he mean?

Labour's victory in Stoke is a decisive rejection of UKIP's politics of division. But our message was not enough to win through in Copeland

Labour listened to 1000s of voters on the doorstep. Both constituencies, like so many, have been let down by the political establishment

To win power to rebuild and transform Britain, Labour will go further to reconnect with voters and break with the failed political consensus

8.22am GMT

McDonnell says the party has to unite. It cannot have a situation where a former leader attacks the party the week before a byelection.

Q: So it is Tony Blair’s fault.

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Q: The Labour-supporting Daily Mirror today says there are two words that explain Labour’s defeat: Jeremy Corbyn.

McDonnell says he could also quote a woman he saw interviewed on the news last night who said what she wanted from a leader was someone who is honest and decent. That is Jeremy Corbyn.

8.16am GMT

John McDonnell is being interviewed on Today now.

Q: Do you agree with John Woodcock that Copeland was a “disaster” for Labour. (See 8.13am.)

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The prime minister will come out today to argue that Copeland is not just a loss for Labour but a big win for the Conservatives; that the voters weren’t just sceptical of Jeremy Corbyn but positive about Theresa May’s party.

She will suggest that it shows her party’s message is connecting with ordinary voters. In Downing Street they see their strategy as two pronged, in which the firm line on Brexit is only one - necessary- but small part of the puzzle. They think it’s about trust and values.

8.13am GMT

The Labour MP John Woodcock, who represents Barrow and Furness, which is next to Copeland, and who is on the right of the party, told the Today programme that the defeat in the seat was a “disaster” for the party.

We should not try to insult people’s intelligence by suggesting it is anything other than that. This was a campaign where we had an absolutely solid NHS issue that really cut through on the doorstep, the future of the local maternity unit and A&E was very much on people’s minds. It was in many ways a classic byelection issue which could unite the community. But we failed to do so.

Certainly the position we are in at the moment, we are not on course for victory. We are on course to a historic and catastrophic defeat and that will have very serious consequences for all of the communities that we represent.

8.05am GMT

In his interview earlier with ITV John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor and key Corbyn ally, suggested that Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson were partly to blame for Labour’s defeat in Copeland because of their attacks on Corbyn. He said:

What’s interesting is that the overwhelming number of members of the party, the majority of the party, are saying “unite”. And we can’t have a situation like we did last week when Tony Blair comes out and attacks his own party, Peter Mandelson as well. So we are saying to those people “unite” because people will then see the real Labour party campaigning. And we will win back places like Copeland.

7.49am GMT

On the Today programme Prof John Curtice, the BBC’s main elections expert, said that since 1945 the government party has only taken a seat from the opposition in three byelections. One was at Mitcham and Morden in 1982, where Labour, which lost, had a smaller majority than in Copeland. The other two were Brighouse and Spenborough in 1960 and Sunderland South in 1953. Labour lost in both, but in both seats it was defending very small majorities.

In Copeland Labour was defending a bigger majority, of 6.5%, Curtice said.

The movement to the Conservatives, the increase in the Conservative vote of around 8.5 points, is the biggest increase enjoyed by the government in any byelection since 1966 when Harold Wilson managed to win the Hull North byelection which precipitated the 1966 general election. So this is very, very rare indeed. The general rule of byelections is that governments, even when popular in the polls, lose ground and oppositions, even if they are not doing that well, gain ground.

Labour now have to look at a set of results, not just the two last night in both of which they lost ground, but in every singe byelection held since the Brexit referendum on June 23 last year Labour’s vote has been down.

I suspect Jeremy Corbyn’s critics will argue than in many a voter’s mind his opposition to the nuclear power industry is also linked to his opposition to nuclear weapons, and actually this is symptomatic of a wider problem with Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership, in their view, [which] is that he holds certain attitudes and supports certain things which many a voter does not hold credible.

7.28am GMT

For the record, here are last night’s byelection results in full.

Copeland - Conservative gain from Labour

7.22am GMT

We had two byelection results in the early hours this morning. One involved a Labour win in Stoke-on-Trent Central, and a significant setback for Ukip. And the other involved a remarkable and historic win for the Conservatives in Copeland, which saw Theresa May’s party gaining a seat that has been Labour-held for decade and the experts going back to 1945 or even earlier to find a comparable victory.

Here is our overnight story about the two results.

Related: Labour ousted by Tories in Copeland but sees off Ukip challenge in Stoke

Related: Byelections: Labour defeated by Tories in Copeland, but wins in Stoke – as it happened

It’s not a matter of hanging on. Look, the situation is this. You learn lessons from these things. And one of the lessons you learn is people will not vote for a divided party. For the last 18 months, 20 months, we’ve been involved in two leadership elections. So, understandably, in the leadership election, those divisions will come out. I think the overwhelming number of the party, in both the parliamentary Labour party and in the constituencies, are saying we want a united party, let’s unite, and do you know in Stoke that’s what the party did, and we won. We’ve turned back the tide. And I think we’ve defeated quite a dangerous form of politics.

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