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mediamattersforamerica:
The Trump administration has withdrawn federal protections for transgender students, but their argument for doing so is based on years of right-wing bullshit.
Conservatives still can’t name a single instance where these protections were abused.
They must not have looked very hard.
Jessica Hambrook raped a little girl in the bathroom of a Canadian homeless shelter. Paula Witherspoon–a twice-convicted paedophile who targeted little girls–was arrested for violating probation by being in a bathroom of a hospital known for its paediatrics division. Allison Woolbert, a convicted paedophile who targeted little girls, is the PRESIDENT of the Transgender Human Rights Org, and Alok, a trans activist, has gone on record as calling little girls “kinky little deviants” who contribute to their own sexual assault.
That’s off the top of my head.
So really, there’s a few.
He didn’t withdraw protections, he literally just fixed title ix to say “sex” instead of “gender identity”, the way it was meant to be. Having be “"gender identity”“ actually harms women because now they can be fired for being pregnant due to the fact that it’s no longer a female issue, something women have fought against for a long time. Also, any man who claims to be a woman can be on a women’s sports team if it’s gender identity, which is incredibly unfair to female athletes.
The solution to male violence is not to take away female only spaces, but to create a third, gender neutral, bathroom.
I’m sure that @transgender-harms-women could also bring up quite a few examples of men harming women in women’s bathrooms and other female only spaces
Here’s a link to a list of incidents involving cross dressing males or trans women who have assaulted or raped women in restrooms:
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Here’s a link to stats showing how woman-on-woman rape rates are on the rise now that males can change their gender to woman and thus be included in the female population and warp the results:
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Here’s a link to a post discussing a study that showed trans women retain their male pattern of violence:
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Here’s a link to another list of rapes and assaults by trans women and male cross dressers of women in bathrooms, locker rooms, and other private spaces:
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Here’s a link to an article about an 8 year old girl getting choked in a restroom by a man claiming to identify as female:
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If someone is saying “no trans woman has ever harmed anyone in a bathroom!!!” they are either:
1. Blatantly lying to push their agenda.
2. Do not care to check as it goes against their agenda.
3. Do not care to check as they are not the victims in any of these scenarios and so it does not concern them (aka the white male conservatives in the gifs above).
4. Are truly unaware of their ignorance as they have been lied to/misled and so they honestly believe that they are doing what is right.
#4 was where I was for a loooong time before I got my head out of the sand.
@mediamattersforamerica are you a bunch of fucking liars or do you just not care about women being assaulted and raped AT ALL??
Let’s make one thing clear. This discussion is only about crimes by trans people in public restrooms. So let’s see if any of the links you provided implicate trans people committing crimes in public bathrooms.
Cis men aren’t trans. Cross dressers aren’t trans. Cis men who pretend to be trans aren’t trans.. Your first link doesn’t implicate a single trans person in any crime. None of the news stories in your fourth link implicate trans people in crimes in public restrooms either (from the links I was able to access; not all of them worked).
Your second link provides no evidence whatsoever for such a claim.
In the third link, the study concluded that trans men (who you would call female or women)had a similar crime rate to cis men. There was no mention of crimes in public bathrooms.
Your last link from the Washington Times that quotes commenters from Red State (real legit, not) doesn’t say that the man claimed to be a woman, and it certainly doesn’t say the person was transgender. That was something you made up.
No one is saying that trans people are incapable of committing violent crimes. But don’t scapegoat trans people for the crimes of cis men. Don’t advocate putting trans people in danger of violence. Don’t limit trans people’s freedoms to exist safely in public based on the crimes of cis men. Don’t lie and protect criminals to promote your own supremacy. People like you are the ones putting people in danger by scapegoating innocent people, instead of holding criminals accountable.
Cis men aren’t trans. Cross dressers aren’t trans. Cis men who pretend to be trans aren’t trans..
How are we supposed to know for sure? How can you say for sure that they are not trans? Many of them say they are trans, are you going to deny their identities because you don’t like them? How are we supposed to know they are pretending to be trans??
And I ask you, if the HUD has declared that:
The rule explicitly forbids requesting evidence of a “transition”, including duration, consistency, or sincerity of belief in declared ‘Gender Identity’. There is no provision to address men who may assert ‘Gender Identity’ for an improper purpose:
“HUD also revises paragraph (b) to add a provision that the policies and procedures must ensure that individuals are not subjected to intrusive questioning or asked to provide anatomical information or documentary, physical, or medical evidence of the individual’s gender identity.”[p13]
Making it so that we cannot question someones gender identity.
“Contrary to the public comment that suggests what Congress’s intent was in creating single-sex facilities, HUD does not opine on Congress’s intent behind permitting single-sex facilities, but does make clear in this rule that, for purposes of determining placement in a single-sex facility, placement should be made consistent with an individual’s gender identity. This rule does not attempt to interpret or define sex.” [p30]
Yet the HUD ruling does re-define legal sex -as a characteristic on par with sex-stereotypes of “appearance, behavior, expression”- falling under the newly invented federal category of “Perceived Gender Identity”:
“Perceived gender identity means the gender with which a person is perceived to identify based on that person’s appearance, behavior, expression, other gender related characteristics, or sex assigned to the individual at birth or identified in documents.” [p70]
And must take their word entirely and therefore grant anyone access to female only spaces such as shelters and restrooms, how are we supposed to weed out the “fake trans women”? How the hell are we supposed to be able to tell who is REALLY trans and who isn’t. It’s not possible, meaning anyone can and WILL take advantage of this law.
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Your first link doesn’t implicate a single trans person in any crime. None of the news stories in your fourth link implicate trans people in crimes in public restrooms either (from the links I was able to access; not all of them worked).
Did you not actually read it? Because it does. Here I’ll copy and paste a specific section of trans-women, whether or not you think they are “valid”, assaulting women in female only spaces-many of which ARE in restrooms:
Trans-women violence against females and children:
Sex offender sentenced after dressing as a woman and going in women’s locker room
Cross-dressing cab driver convicted of rape
Man dressed as woman beats up mother-in-law
Man dressed in women’s clothes flashes children
Man dressed as woman arrested for sexual assault
Transvestite arrested for groping women while seeking “fashion tips”
Cross-dressing suspect arrested for raping woman
Cross-dressing child molester will serve 15 years in prison
Cross-dressing fake nurse targets the elderly
Man disguised as a woman takes pictures in women’s locker room
Male transgender exposes his genitals in a maternity store
Man dressed as a woman solicits child for sex
Man wearing female mask & wig spies on women in public toilets
Male transgender exposes his genitals to women and children
Male trannsgender exposes his genitals to students
Male transgender spies on women in university restroom
A transsexual killer who tried to rape a woman must be moved to a female prison because holding her with men breaches her rights, a judge has ruled.
Transwoman rapes 13 yr old boy, is identified in press as a woman
Transwoman sex offender arrested for not registering as a sex offender after befriending and moving in with a woman with young child
A cross dresser and sex offender sneak in elementary school
Cross dresser arrested for being a serial child rapist
Male child sex predator identifies as a woman in prison and is allowed to change name
Child rapist is arrested and found to be living as “a woman”
Convicted sex offender sues over sex change operation
Plymouth transgender sex offender jailed after coming into contact with child
Dothan Man Sentenced for Child Pornography
Christopher Hambrook, who claimed to be a woman in order to gain entrance to a woman’s shelter, where he raped two homeless women.
Cross-dressing man arrested for exposure at Walmart
Purdue police investigate report of man taking photographs in women’s restroom
Police: Man in bra and wig found in women’s bathroom - admitted to other offense where he showered in the girls’ locker room for sexual gratification
Police: Sex offender posed as woman, went into women’s locker room
Cross-dressing man allegedly videotaped women in restroom
Police: Predatory Sex Offender Entered Girls Locker Room …
Man dressed as woman arrested in Central stabbing …
Australia - Registered sex offender dressed as woman busted …
Predator who claimed to be transgender declared dangerous offender…
and here’s a link you must have skipped over in the list that shows a few trans women and other males who have taken advantage of anti-gender discriminatory laws that allowed them in female-only spaces:
The Threat to Women and Girls Presented by
Bathroom Bills
Your second link provides no evidence whatsoever for such a claim.
My second link is included because I have been told time and time again that NO TRANS WOMEN EVER HAS HURT A WOMAN!!! not only in regards to bathroom bills. And this lie has helped contribute to the mass lie that no trans woman has ever raped or assaulted women in bathrooms or shelters-which you should see by now is false.
In the third link, the study concluded that trans men (who you would call female or women)had a similar crime rate to cis men. There was no mention of crimes in public bathrooms.
Nope, no it did not. And I included it because, hey wouldn’t ya know, if we wouldn’t allow it to be socially acceptable for cis males in women’s restrooms for fear of what they might do than perhaps we should think twice about letting trans women, who are statistically just as violent as cis men either!! Here’s a quote from the study you might have misread:
The only long-term study of transgender outcomes concluded that “Male to Female” transsexuals retain male-pattern criminality, including crimes against women. [Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885]
My last link is included for reasons stated above. If anyone can claim gender identity and we are not allowed to question or refute it than any male can be a trans woman and claim being a woman and thus be allowed in female-only spaces, it does not matter whether you think they are a “real trans woman”. They are still protected under this law and therefore the law is putting all women at risk.
No one is saying that trans people are incapable of committing violent crimes. But don’t scapegoat trans people for the crimes of cis men. Don’t advocate putting trans people in danger of violence. Don’t limit trans people’s freedoms to exist safely in public based on the crimes of cis men.
Well hey, maybe don’t scapegoat cis women for being responsible for the crimes of cis men either? Maybe don’t tell us its our job to take care of trans women and abolish all of our own private spaces just to accommodate them, despite them also posing a threat to us seeing as i just showed you they have the same rates of violence as cis men!!, just because what cis men have done!
And yeah, people are saying that actually! And people are telling women we are being irrational for fearing for our private spaces being abolished-as is the message mediamattersforamerica is sending right now. Here’s some more people sending that message:
“The message is that we’re silly, confused little girls who need our reality explained to us. That their feelings are more important than ours. That we must empathize with their struggle but quit bitching about our own. That we are wrong — in fact, bigots — for fearing rape. If we proceed with caution, we’re misandrists — whoops, I mean transphobes.
If we complain, we’re being hysterical.When they tell us “Don’t worry about it,” they don’t see how brushing women’s fears off as mere “trans bathroom panic” is no different than Return of Kings mocking feminists for having Rape Tourette’s.If you ever wondered what rape culture looks like, this is it.
And if you ever wondered how feminist you truly are about challenging that rape culture, then I suggest you start by honestly evaluating your own response to female rape survivors who dare participate in the transgender bathroom debate.”
Don’t lie and protect criminals to promote your own supremacy. People like you are the ones putting people in danger by scapegoating innocent people, instead of holding criminals accountable.
Take a realllll looong hard look in the mirror buddy. I’m the one bringing to light all of these incidents that mainstream media has ignored in favor of being “progressive and inclusive” at all costs. It didn’t fit their slant on the bathroom bill and so they have chosen to ignore the fact that women HAVE BEEN RAPED AND ASSAULTED and will be raped and assaulted EVEN MORE with the passing of these bathroom bills. Now when a male walks into a dressing room at a gym, or a restroom, or a women’s domestic abuse shelter they cannot be turned away, even if they are 100% pre-op. Women have been raped at shelters, the one place they were supposed to be safe from males, because of these laws. They have been assaulted, raped, and peered at in restrooms and they cannot even fight back because now that anyone can claim “female gender” and therefore have a right to be there. Women are being forced to either accept dicks-the very weapons used against them, into every private space or else leave their gyms, leave the restrooms they fought for, leave their rape crisis groups, all so males can feel validated.
Like you guys are the ones who said “what are you going to check everyone’s pants before they go to the restroom??” (nah we would just look at secondary sex characteristics probably but anyways) and while that was definitely ridiculous and would never happen, it was a whole hell of a lot more possible than checking everyones personal gender identities that can only be known if they tell you. Are we supposed to read minds now to know if someone is a threat or not, if someone is real trans or not??
(also it’s not the stopping offenders from coming in in the first place, but being able to deal with them once they have entered that is being taken away. this bill is not only giving offenders more confidence in invading women’s spaces but it also gives them a legal right to be there that makes it so women cannot fight against them in court and obscures the real nature of their crime. before if a male entered a woman’s restroom or locker room and whipped out their dick they would be thrown out and incriminated-no longer. now they have a right to be there that is protected by law and if women are uncomfortable with it we have no choice but to, AGAIN, go and make our own spaces….AGAIN!) kind of makes you think of this, just replace “men” with males/trans women:
I’m really tired of the #NoTrueTrans “argument”. They can fuck right off.
@mediamattersforamerica are you going to acknowledge the truth about allowing males into the women’s bathrooms and female only facilities?
Seriously, how long are they going to ‘no true scotsman’ their way out of stuff?
They are never going to acknowledge it
@mas-alexander we’re not gonna be bullied by people who can’t even read basic studies lmaooooo