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: As well when moving a category to use a language code, it is imemdiatetely followed by moving their member pages, then editing the source category to use a tracking template. This is understood now by many contributors (and fully documented). In some cases a pseudo "null-edit" (adding/removing a non-significant space) will be finally be done on the source category to decategorize from the target category, for final cleanup. All these operations remove many red links in pages, and in categories, and allow generic templates (already widely used) to work properly. But it does not involve changing the content (sentences, words, images) and only very minor layout fixes will be done (this does not require changing the initial color design). Overall this unifies the navigation on this wiki with a consistant look at feel across all languages (the most important layout changes needed are those for RTL languages due to the bidi ordering, and for correct display on narrow screens (not assuming that everyone will use a desktop browser or Windows), but once again by keeping as much as possible of what was already there, and syncing contents in translations if possible (filling some forgotten gaps left by lack of maintenance in translations, but only if they are simple to do).
: As well when moving a category to use a language code, it is imemdiatetely followed by moving their member pages, then editing the source category to use a tracking template. This is understood now by many contributors (and fully documented). In some cases a pseudo "null-edit" (adding/removing a non-significant space) will be finally be done on the source category to decategorize from the target category, for final cleanup. All these operations remove many red links in pages, and in categories, and allow generic templates (already widely used) to work properly. But it does not involve changing the content (sentences, words, images) and only very minor layout fixes will be done (this does not require changing the initial color design). Overall this unifies the navigation on this wiki with a consistant look at feel across all languages (the most important layout changes needed are those for RTL languages due to the bidi ordering, and for correct display on narrow screens (not assuming that everyone will use a desktop browser or Windows), but once again by keeping as much as possible of what was already there, and syncing contents in translations if possible (filling some forgotten gaps left by lack of maintenance in translations, but only if they are simple to do).
: You say "many are complaining", but I don't hear them. It's probably not at all on this wiki, where in fact discussions are in fact inexistant (even if we tell people to talk, or sak questions in appropraite places, there's no reply at all, no one hears). So it's just too easy to come back hear to complain to you, without even participating before. — [[User:Verdy_p|Verdy_p]] <sup>([[User talk:Verdy p|talk]])</sup> 00:18, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
: You say "many are complaining", but I don't hear them. It's probably not at all on this wiki, where in fact discussions are in fact inexistant (even if we tell people to talk, or sak questions in appropraite places, there's no reply at all, no one hears). So it's just too easy to come back hear to complain to you, without even participating before. — [[User:Verdy_p|Verdy_p]] <sup>([[User talk:Verdy p|talk]])</sup> 00:18, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
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: Also Nakaner used a false comment here [https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=DE:Rhein&action=history]
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: There's never been any page blanked in the past when I move the page. He has just created "Rhein" today by his new move (without the language prefix) jsut because he had seen red links from several articles in German refering to "Rhein" instead of "DE:Rhein" (or before "Rhine river" or "Rhin"). The diff given just here demontrates that this is a new move (not over any past redirect) and that the article has '''never''' existed under the name "Rhein". So he is clearly wrong.
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: He argues on your talk page that he had some talk in real life. This is wrong: when? where? with whom? I was never involved in such talks happening possibly elesewhere with others, without even informing me. Unfortunately this wiki does not allows receiving a notification when someone talks about me somewhere on this wiki, so I was never notified if this ever happened somewhere. I was never "pinged".
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: So if you argue that others should have a way to discuss what I do, they still need to send an appropriate link where talks may really happen. He has just asked to you to block me, with false arguments (and then made several new uncorrected errors in his reverts). I've always wanted to have such discussions, but it's simply impossible to talk with those that do not preset themselve or do not discuss in any place (the Nakaner's edit history on this wiki is clear, he never talks to anyone here, and will then edit or revert what he wants. He just talked to you without using unjustified arguments, not any justification of something that I could have made incorrectly).
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: Even if I had left some error on the single page about Rhine (I don't think there was any error, and certainly not "many changes" in that page as what he claims, as I only added a language bar and used the German category for that river!), he could have contacted me instead of complaining to you. Or he could have made his revert and I would have contacted him to say why he was wrong.
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: So no I have not made any "mass change" in the pages he reverted and for which he complained to you with very evasive arguments.
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: May be you talked with him in the past, but I was never involved in these discussions or aware of them: how could I have changed anything in the direction he wanted and how my rate of edits would have changed something, for a very tiny change made months ago on a single article (now incorrectly linked after his incorrect revert today) ?
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: My initial move was there: [https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Rhein&type=revision&diff=1370461&oldid=1370460]: I did not blank the redirect at all, and there was broken redirect left at all (and not even any double redirect). It also had an accurate comment explaining why it was done (and explinaing the couple of edits that followed (after checking the category about this river, which is not just in Germany, but also in France, and in French speaking area of Switzerland, and Dutch speaking areas in the Netherlands, and it was the reason for making it international with the language bar I added at top of the page, even if these pages do not discuss the same part of the river wit hthe same levels of details: the German page just talks about the part in Germany, or along the France-Germany border, the articles should still be linked together for complete coverage!).
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: Is that the way we can work on a wiki: not talking at all, not asking for any information, not documenting what could be missing (or corrected a bit more), reverting immediately (but incorrectly) and then complaining isolately to someone else, ignoring all the huge work made everywhere else that he benefits directly (silently) from my past work to make this wiki really international and not just for a few users in Germany or UK? — [[User:Verdy_p|Verdy_p]] <sup>([[User talk:Verdy p|talk]])</sup> 02:09, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
== Tinkering with "Nottingham" page (again) ==
== Tinkering with "Nottingham" page (again) ==