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== Attendees ==
== Attendees ==
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* '''In attendance:'''
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* '''In attendance:'''
Mikael Barbero, Wayne Beaton, Marcel Bruch, Mickael Istria, Marc-Andre Laperle, Martin Lippert, Dani Megert, Alexander Nyssen, Martin O, Doug Schaefer, Michael Scharf, Eike Stepper, Julien Vermillard, Gunnar Wagenknecht
* '''Regrets:''' Jay Jay Billings, Neil Hauge, Jonas Helming, Maximilian Kögel, Pascal Rapicault, Matthias Sohn, Krum Tsvetkov,
* '''Regrets:''' Jay Jay Billings, Neil Hauge, Jonas Helming, Maximilian Kögel, Pascal Rapicault, Matthias Sohn, Krum Tsvetkov,
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* Welcome Mikael Barbero
* Welcome Mikael Barbero
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** Working for the Eclipse Foundation - technical lead of the FEEP program, currently working on some Platform bugs (Jobs framework)
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** Previously worked on Mylyn, still quite involved but not the main focus any more
* EclipseCon Europe Oct 25-27 F2F ?
* EclipseCon Europe Oct 25-27 F2F ?
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** Room scheduled for Wed after sessions but before the reception - '''AI Wayne''' send E-Mail Notice
* [[Architecture Council/Members and Mentors]] cleanup
* [[Architecture Council/Members and Mentors]] cleanup
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** 49 active members plus 19 dormant ones as of today
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=== UI Best Practices: Ultimate Package ===
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* Doug: UI-best-practices Initiative
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** Quite active initially, calmed down a little bit over the past 2 weeks
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** Planning to bring up a couple topics, probably after EclipseCon Europe
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** Doug's Building an "Eclipse Ultimate Package" from Eclipse.org PLUS popular packages from the Community
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*** Building on Github, based on packages with most active use, not necessarily hosted at Eclipse.org
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*** Basically J2EE + Committers packages + C/C++, + Pydev + Angular2 plus couple small ones - open for more ideas
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*** About 700MB right now - not quite as huge as Ed's Eierlegende Wollmilchsau
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** Planning to use that as a starter for further discussions
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** Wayne: With the new IP Policy Changes, there's no roadblock any more to including plugins like Pydev and hosting from Eclipse.org
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** MichaelS: Likes Webstorm's "small and simple initially but growing over time"
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*** Doug: As a UI exercise, focus is on everything playing nicely together ... incremental install would be a 2nd step. Plugins should be "inactive" until actually needed
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*** From C/C++ to Android to Angular all in one workspace
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*** Over 100 features added to the .product file for now
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*** Might leave some stuff (like Arduino) in the Marketplace if they are not used overly much
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* Conversations on UX mailing list have been really helpful so far
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** At some point will collect into a Wiki
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* Q: Could the Ultimate Edition perhaps even include the JRE ? - Getting a lot of defects due to that...
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** Wayne: It's possible, at least with OpenJDK; just somebody needs to take a CQ through the process (though this opens up many additional questions ... like JRE or JDK, ...) probably to be handled in EPP
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** The C/C++ EPP could probably benefit from having a JRE
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** Doug: How to keep up with security updates
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=== Automatic Crash Reporting ===
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* Martin: Automatic Crash Reporting for unresponsive Eclipse (when the in-process AERI doesn't work)
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** '''Screenshot bot''' -- code already exists as part of the unittests
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*** Marcel: Can be contributed via AERI extension point today
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** '''Crash / deadlock reporter (like Firefox)''' -- maybe spawn separate process from eclipse.exe ?
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*** Had some discussions, but it was unclear who would really review reports from hard exits;
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*** If a reviewer is found, then finding and uploading the hs_err*.log dumps would be possible easily
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*** In general, the system falls short if there is no reviewer ... could possible culprits be identified from the dump ?
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*** Codetrails is working on a JVMTI agent to give access to all local variables when an exception is thrown (not sure yet if that's going to become Open Source); new analyzers on the server side could be plugged in through APIs
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*** '''AI Martin''' follow up via direct E-Mail, then perhaps continue discussion on the next call
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* Wayne: A lot of exceptions are logged as errors which aren't errors (like user entering an invalid path)
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** Doug:
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** Wayne opening bugs / patches where he can
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** ''What to Log and how'' could be a candidate for an AC Recommendation
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** Marcel: Maybe there's a need for an additional log category like "User Error" to differentiate between Program Errors and
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*** Developers do go to the error log if something doesn't work as expected ...
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*** Doug: That should not be an UX guideline !!
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*** '''AI Wayne''' create a bugzilla for follow-up discussion
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=== Wayne: Type A/B IP Policy Changes ===
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* Board has approved a new type of IP Check:
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** "Type A" just checks for compatible licenses without full provenience check
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** "Type B" is what we've done so far over the years (full due diligence)
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** Rolling out to a handful of projects for now
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*** Using FOSSology to do their license checks
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*** Intent moving towards that tool in 2017 for self-serve due diligence; anticipate 80% to be doable by the project leads themselves using those tools
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*** Will be at EclipseCon to talk; some things not yet clear such as a Type B project consuming Type A dependencies
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*** Planning Council decided sticking to status quo for now, ie allow only Type B ... but that might change
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** Suggestion: Find better names for Type A ("license checked") vs type B ("provenance checked and scanned")
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*** Dani: By nature, it's close to "Apache" (Type A) vs "Eclipse" (Type B) but that's proably not usable
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=== User Storage: SDK Docs ===
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* Marcel had trouble finding API Docs, especially for the login parts
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* Eike handed it over to a separate project, no longer leading
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** Original authentication docs were in the Javadocs (though not published)
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** The team added OAuth later, don't know about details - '''AI Eike''' try clarifying
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* Marcel pinged Antoine Thomas but links didn't help much... Docs don't help today using the facilities offered by Eclipse.org
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=== Other Items ===
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* Quality of the Eclipse Marketplace Plugin
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** Not quite ready for public discussion; '''AI Martin''' add to next month's call
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