bkerins:
cait001:
A group of guys there were in to that "g@mmer g@te" crap and pinsiders would repost discussions there on to their anon/chan boards to decry feminists destroying their hobby.The discussion that followed on those sites was partially about decrying women "taking over our hobby", partially comments like "These c**ts need to be scythed every time they pop their heads up" (actual quote), and partially "oh I didn't know people still played pinball".
On the anon sites, their subtext turns to text.Other comments, like "They just can't fucking stop, can they? Wherever there's a group of men enjoying themselves and their harmless hobbies, these fucking harpies have to come in and fuck shit up."Real quote, real pathos.
In some cases, we're never going to change certain people's minds about what they think and feel like they need to protect.
But in all cases, we can change other people's minds by calling out their ridiculous behavior. This is trash. Someone who would say this about other players is a cancer on the community. These are the people who should be marginalized. It's not their hobby, it's our hobby.
In a way, they already ARE marginalized. This new wave of anti-feminism is something I have never seen exist outside of Internet and guerrilla campaigns in an attempt to shame and humiliate women in professional positions. In other words, their actions are always done in total anonymity. This leads me to believe they know this mentality and behavior is unacceptable in public.
Won't stop them from venting their frustrations over their own insecurities though. If anything, I'd say they achieved this level of misogyny because they have been marginalized. I think it's no coincidence that these people tend to believe wild conspiracy theories about feminists infiltrating the government and the media to enforce political correctness on the world. They kind of adopt an us-against-the-world mindset.
kbmabq:
I'm a woman running a small company that regularly participates in pinball shows around the country. Some of the owners of other companies in the industry almost always default to talking to my husband about our company. Two very well known pinball company owners regularly come to our booth, shake my husbands hand and completely ignore me, like I'm invisible. I've heard that one of these men doesn't 'like to work with women business owners'. One owner stopped us and told my husband, 'Hey, thanks for all the support you are giving us on Facebook. I really appreciate it.' Never looked at me. Frankly, I run the damn company along with a trusted employee. My husband contributes but has another job. I don't like the presumption about my role- whatever it is. I often go to that deep, dark place and assume they think I'm there to go get coffee, look good, do the books or be their secretary. But I know going to this dark place is doing the same thing they are doing to me.
I've never been in a position of power or management like that, but that definitely feels like it hurts. I don't know, I thought that the idea of women business owners should be widely accepted by now, but perhaps it was not a common thing until recently and those people are part of an old guard...?
trunchbull:
Thought experiment: how many pinball machines assume you're a guy?
That is definitely an issue I've been thinking about ever since I played The Simpsons Pinball Party and heard Apu say, "Give this man an award!" or something to that extent.
I think I asked it right here some time ago, and I was answered that it was a "collective male," though I thought that using masculine pronouns and the word "man" to refer to both sexes went out of style in the mid-20th century.
Which makes me wonder: Are there any machines where the player character is female, and the in-game voice clips unambiguously refer to the player character as "she" and "her"? Presumably, you're playing as Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz, but I can't think of anything else at the moment.
chuckwurt:
I think the only way they will stop is if literally everyone around them (men,women, dogs, cats, etc) call them out and they are left standing there looking like the idiots that they are. This is in reference only to the people that are blatantly sexist and think it's totally acceptable. Not the ones that have made an honest mistake before and were apologetic and didn't continue it.
I think if that happens those people will shape up, or better yet, ship out.
I hope that's the more likely outcome. The cynic in me, however, argues that such a person, if they have the gall to behave as they do, will not think they're idiots, but, as mentioned above, a paranoid us (well, me)-against-the-world kind of thinking, and consider themselves the one sane man in a world gone mad.
But either way, it'll get them away from the place.
trunchbull:
I'd enjoy a mod of Playboy where the foldout reveals an article.
Better yet, a mod of Playboy with male models (and preferably with the audio changed accordingly). See how the dudebros react to that.