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Laver on Federer - 10 Updates
China grants Trump a trademark he's been seeking for a decade - 1 Update
Republican math: 306 is greater than 332, 365, 370, 379, 426. - 3 Updates
How Trump is the GOAT - 1 Update
Serve Speed - Graf (Wim 1999) vs. current top players (Wim 2016) - 4 Updates
OT: Krajicek talking smack about Fed - 1 Update
TT, PeteWasLucky and Pelle -- Keep up the good work - 2 Updates
Serve speed analysis - Graf vs. current top players - 1 Update
Trump solves the Palestinian conflict! - 1 Update
All slams being equal, 1, 14, 18, ... - 1 Update
Laver on Federer
Guypers <gapp111@gmail.com>: Feb 17 11:25AM -0800
On Friday, February 17, 2017 at 1:14:23 PM UTC-5, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> > You are entitled to your opinion, but Laver completely disagrees with you.
> Johnny Mac disagrees too. And Andre says Rogi is a class above Pete. I
> wouldn't completely rule sour grapes out there, but it's good enuff.
Tier 1, Fed, Laver, Rafa, Novak, Borg, Stimpy
Tier 2, Pancho, Rosewall, Agassi, Lendl, Emmo
Tier 3, Connors, Mac, Becker, Edberg, Wilander
Eod, qed etc.
Shakes <kvcshake@gmail.com>: Feb 17 11:28AM -0800
On Friday, February 17, 2017 at 11:25:49 AM UTC-8, Guypers wrote:
> Tier 2, Pancho, Rosewall, Agassi, Lendl, Emmo
> Tier 3, Connors, Mac, Becker, Edberg, Wilander
> Eod, qed etc.
Agassi and Lendl in Tier 2 but Mac and Connors in Tier 3 ?
MBDunc <michaelb@dnainternet.net>: Feb 17 12:12PM -0800
On Friday, February 17, 2017 at 6:02:36 PM UTC+2, Whisper wrote:
> Yes he's talented & incredibly consistent, but in my genuine opinion
> McEnroe is at least 3 times more talented, & Sampras at his best is better.
Why care, maybe my 1st tennis pal from early 90:ies was the most talented ever. He had insane ball control whatever the event was (tennis, table tennis, soccer...) - and this with extremely limited practice.
...but he was lazy as hell and his physics were built to stay at his couch.
> I definitely will let you know when I see a player come along who may be
> approaching McEnroe's genius. Have not seen anyone come remotely close
> to date.
Talent apparently rarely translates into results and whole concept gets blurred when some pre-decide that "eye-candy" equals "talent".
.mikko
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Feb 17 07:57PM -0800
On Friday, February 17, 2017 at 11:02:36 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
> going to make Federer the most talented or brilliant, exciting player
> ever. Only his tennis can do that if it's good enough, & imo it's
> failed dismally.
Yes, Federer failed dismally and that's why he has 18 slams and the most weeks @ #1! Could you be more moronic?
> Yes he's talented & incredibly consistent, but in my genuine opinion
> McEnroe is at least 3 times more talented, & Sampras at his best is better.
McEnroe is like a pimple on Federer's ass when it comes to comparing talent. If McEnroe was so talented why couldn't he win a slam past age 25 and why did he end his career with 11 less slams than Federer? McEnroe couldn't even win more slams than his biggest rival Bjorn Borg!
> I definitely will let you know when I see a player come along who may be
> approaching McEnroe's genius. Have not seen anyone come remotely close
> to date.
You spew the same bullshit over and over. You are entitled to your opinion but there are very few tennis analysts or people in general who would agree with your minority opinion, i.e.Rod Laver(you know the guy who won the CYGS twice) disagrees with you and he says Federer is the most talented.
StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>: Feb 17 10:09PM -0600
>On 2/17/2017 9:57 PM, Court_1 wrote:
> McEnroe is like a pimple on Federer's ass when it comes to comparing talent.
Wow, that's a silly thing to say. Federer is incredibly talented, but
Mac was as well.
Difference is, Federer is a much more stable and focused personality,
which has enabled him to translate his talent into results much more
effectively than Mac could. Mac, like Borg, succumbed to a jet-set drug
addled lifestyle that short-circuited his career at its peak. Fed, like
Sampras, never has.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Feb 17 08:12PM -0800
On Friday, February 17, 2017 at 3:09:30 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
> Laver is a tennis promoter so he only talks about current players. In a
> couple yrs he'll never mention Fed/Rafa again & only talk about current
> players.
LOL. In a couple of years Laver will probably be pushing daisies (he's 78.)
Laver is a "tennis promoter" now? You think a dinosaur like Laver gives a shit about that? He wasn't promoting "tennis." Those words were from his autobiography. He has lived through playing with and watching the best players in tennis history and in his opinion Federer is the best player of the modern era so piss off with your BS.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Feb 17 08:26PM -0800
On Friday, February 17, 2017 at 11:07:46 PM UTC-5, StephenJ wrote:
> effectively than Mac could. Mac, like Borg, succumbed to a jet-set drug
> addled lifestyle that short-circuited his career at its peak. Fed, like
> Sampras, never has.
It's my opinion. I've seen them both play live many times. Yes, McEnroe was talented but Federer is more so. The only area McEnroe was better than Federer in was volleying. I'm sick and tired of the overrating of that sickening narcissist McEnroe. McEnroe was on tour long after he "short-circuited" as you say and he had plenty of time to win more slams but he was unable to do it after age 25 even though he was on tour for a long time past that age and he had moved beyond his off court distractions. He couldn't even win more slams than his main rival Borg who actually left the game at age 25/26 and therefore has a valid excuse for not winning more slams.
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Feb 18 12:12AM -0500
>> addled lifestyle that short-circuited his career at its peak. Fed, like
>> Sampras, never has.
> It's my opinion. I've seen them both play live many times. Yes, McEnroe was talented but Federer is more so. The only area McEnroe was better than Federer in was volleying. I'm sick and tired of the overrating of that sickening narcissist McEnroe. McEnroe was on tour long after he "short-circuited" as you say and he had plenty of time to win more slams but he was unable to do it after age 25 even though he was on tour for a long time past that age and he had moved beyond his off court distractions. He couldn't even win more slams than his main rival Borg who actually left the game at age 25/26 and therefore has a valid excuse for not winning more slams.
McEnroe was good on volleying because this is the only game he
played and you wouldn't expect a player that practices every
game, stroke, shot in tennis to be as consistent in volleying as
a player that practices only volleying. But anyone that watches,
plays and feels tennis wouldn't disagree about Federer's talent
volleying and his great hands and regards skills in today's
powerful game.
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>: Feb 18 05:27PM +1100
On 18/02/2017 3:19 AM, SliceAndDice wrote:
>> approaching McEnroe's genius. Have not seen anyone come remotely close
>> to date.
> You are entitled to your opinion, but Laver completely disagrees with you.
No he doesn't. You'll note Laver talks mostly about active players. He
never mentions eg Borg, Newk, Rosewall, Jimbo, Sampras etc because they
are no longer active.
In 5 yrs he'll never mention Federer/Rafa/Djoker again.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>: Feb 18 05:31PM +1100
On 18/02/2017 6:28 AM, Shakes wrote:
>> Tier 3, Connors, Mac, Becker, Edberg, Wilander
>> Eod, qed etc.
> Agassi and Lendl in Tier 2 but Mac and Connors in Tier 3 ?
Other way around obviously.
Must be a troll attack.
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China grants Trump a trademark he's been seeking for a decade
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Feb 17 11:59PM -0500
http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/17/news/companies/trump-china-tradema
rk/index.html
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Republican math: 306 is greater than 332, 365, 370, 379, 426.
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Feb 17 03:38PM -0600
On 2/17/2017 12:27 PM, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
> was given -- actually, I've seen that information around. But it was a
> very substantial victory. Do you agree with that?"
> No we don't :-)
If it makes you psychologically more functional in life thinking that
Trump's victory wasn't substantial, that's harmless to the rest of us so
go ahead, cope away.
Doesn't stop Trump from exercising the full 100% powers of the
Presidency. :)
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calimero377@gmx.de: Feb 17 03:14PM -0800
On Friday, February 17, 2017 at 10:38:52 PM UTC+1, StephenJ wrote:
> go ahead, cope away.
> Doesn't stop Trump from exercising the full 100% powers of the
> Presidency. :)
Muslim ban stopped, Flynn hunted down, everything is rolling ...
Max
StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>: Feb 17 09:45PM -0600
>> Doesn't stop Trump from exercising the full 100% powers of the
>> Presidency. :)
> Muslim ban stopped, Flynn hunted down, everything is rolling ...
Keep patting yapping with other liberals about your Big Victory with the
travel ban, which doesn't amount to much anyway and which Trump likely
will get with minor modifications in the end. Meanwhile, Trump has
gotten a lot done in just 27 days, a bunch of stuff that wouldn't have
happened with Hillary. This article doesn't even mention the ban on NGO
abortion funding and the big coal deregulation order Trump enacted
yesterday:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/02/17/trump-executive-orders-elite-popular-polls-muslim-ban-immigration-column/97920456/
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How Trump is the GOAT
Scott <scottl44@yahoo.com>: Feb 17 04:40PM -0800
Trump is almost certainly the best tennis player of all the Presidents the US has had. Trump played in college. He still picks up a racquet now and then, often in a public event with a famous tennis player (e.g., Serena).
If Abraham Lincoln had played, he probably would have been the GOAT. At 6'4" in an era when the average male was probably around 5'6", Lincoln would be able to bomb serves. Also, Lincoln wasn't called the "Rail Splitter" for nothing. Biographers say he was unusually strong.
But Lincoln didn't play tennis. So Trump is the GOAT. Sad.
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Serve Speed - Graf (Wim 1999) vs. current top players (Wim 2016)
MBDunc <michaelb@dnainternet.net>: Feb 17 12:45PM -0800
On Friday, February 17, 2017 at 5:48:01 PM UTC+2, StephenJ wrote:
> speed was way down there with Graf's serve speed?
> Nobody would.
> It matters.
After certain speed point the spin/placement/disguise are more relevant factors. Comparing speed gun metrics is pointless. Raonic for instance was asked why he was not hitting his best 150mph+ at certain tournament (instead stayed at 130mph+ range)..."dunno I just did everything same, maybe it is how they measure it".
.mikko
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Feb 17 03:29PM -0600
On 2/17/2017 2:45 PM, MBDunc wrote:
>> Nobody would.
>> It matters.
> After certain speed point the spin/placement/disguise are more relevant factors.
Those things surely matter, e.g., Graf hit a pretty flat serve, not as
effective as a heavy ball with lots of spin.
But let's face it, those regarded by everyone as the best servers are
almost always the biggest servers. Speed is the biggest factor. Who were
regarded as the top servers of the 90s? Sampras, Goran, Krajicek,
Flipper. And they were the biggest servers. It's always been that way.
E.g., Edberg had outstanding spin, placement, and disguise on his serve,
and that definitely helped him set up winning volleys. But not even
Edberg ever thought his serve was anything special - because it lacked
power/pace.
Again, Serena has great spin, placement, and disguise. But with
Graf-level power, nobody would say it was the best.
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stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Feb 17 03:35PM -0600
>> We have the OFFICIAL statistics,
> Official?
> Lol ....
Yes, sorry Graf-loving Max, Official WTA/IDS serve speeds, not TV
Trumpofacts. They tell the tale - Graf was a serve weakling compared to
Serena even when Serena was a child !!!
90s rackets, strings, and radar guns !!!!
Sorry, after 15 years of Max blather, in the end you lose !!!
Bye Bye Steffi !!!
LMAO !!!!
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calimero377@gmx.de: Feb 17 03:30PM -0800
On Friday, February 17, 2017 at 10:29:20 PM UTC+1, StephenJ wrote:
> power/pace.
> Again, Serena has great spin, placement, and disguise. But with
> Graf-level power, nobody would say it was the best.
LMAO!!!!!!
If Serena's serve were so superhuman why then did giants like Stephens, Makarova, Razzano, Cornet, Pliskova, Kerber, Lisicki, Muguruza beat herbin slams in recent years?
I'm quite sure that Steffi had a lower break percentage at her own serve than Serena! And now give her a modern widebody frame and she would be at least as good as the hippo. Add to that her superior speed and mental strength plus her far, far superior consistency!!
Max
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OT: Krajicek talking smack about Fed
Scott <scottl44@yahoo.com>: Feb 17 02:59PM -0800
Have the Tier Five analysts left this NG?
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TT, PeteWasLucky and Pelle -- Keep up the good work
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Feb 17 03:43PM -0600
On 2/17/2017 12:17 PM, Brian W Lawrence wrote:
>> branches of government, and (b) regular elections. Trump can't do
>> anything about either so rest easy my friend. :)
> As I keep saying.
We got the memo a while back - Trump's approval rating is low. Since you
don't seem to like Trump's policies, maybe that will translate into a
policy victory for your side now and again?
Keep your fingers crossed but don't count on much of it for the next 20
months. :)
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Feb 17 10:30PM +0100
> less popular than the average. He also started out at 45%, so has
> lost 5% in a month. At that rate he'll be less than 0% by Oct
> (that's a joke).
But how is this relevant? You can't judge Trump same as others and
compare that way. He's brought something entirely new. He's
different.
And societies do evolve.
History knows shifts. I am sure congress wasn't always at 20%,
right? Some institutions like the church or army in terms of
approval can go up or down through years and decades.
It could be true that's he indeed less popular than some former
presidents at this stage but so what, and more importantly who is
not to say that presidents won't be at around 40% from now on? In
a polarized society that's actually very likely.
So this is kinda a fake news attempt from your part. As if it
matters at all if Trump's got higher approval ratings than
Reagan.
Two people from two different era.
But otoh, comparing Trump with the ones who are participants in
this current world, like congress, or media, tells us president
e.g. him, tops them. So his approval ratings are just fine.
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Serve speed analysis - Graf vs. current top players
stephenJ <sjaros3@cox.net>: Feb 17 03:22PM -0600
>> At least 50%!
> LMAO
You are ignorant! Watching Graf/ASV 1996 is slo-mo tennis !!!!
Bye Bye Graf !!!!!!
LMAO!!!!
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Trump solves the Palestinian conflict!
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Feb 17 01:15PM -0800
On Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 5:26:52 PM UTC-5, TT wrote:
> 17.2.2017, 0:12, Pelle Svanslös kirjoitti:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsJxV94Jg1A
> Can't wait SNL's parody on Trump presser...
It was hilarious to read the NYT article. 'Chinese menu', 'treacherous waters', Chinese reluctance to speak until Trump Okay-ed the one-China policy are all amusing bits in that article. Read
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/politics/trump-israel-palestine-china.html?_r=0
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All slams being equal, 1, 14, 18, ...
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Feb 17 01:03PM -0800
would be, arguably, the most valuable slams for Federer. Maybe #15 follows these three in the preciousness scale. And followed by, presumably, the 17th, grabbed by collaring the delicious softy Sir Andy in 2012.
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