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A gift from Putin - 3 Updates
Trump vexed by challenges, scale of government - 1 Update
Max relax - 3 Updates
trump, brady - 5 Updates
Trump to judges: Even a 'bad high school student' would rule in my favor - 5 Updates
RST rebounding? - 2 Updates
OT: Belichick and Brady win! - 1 Update
Big hole in Fed's CV or resume - Why couldn't he win a slam in his teens? - 1 Update
In call with Putin, Trump denounced Obama-era nuclear arms treaty - 1 Update
Flynn the first to go? - 1 Update
Uncle Toni, what's up? - 2 Updates
A gift from Putin
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Feb 12 11:25AM +0200
Snowden.
"I think he's a total traitor and I would deal with him harshly," Trump
said in July. "And if I were president, Putin would give him over."
And whaddayouknow? Russia might be considering giving Snowden to the US.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russia-eyes-sending-snowden-u-s-gift-trump-official-n718921?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
How does Trump know the (few) things he knows?
--
"Donald Trump is the weak man's vision of a strong man."
-- Charles Cooke
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>: Feb 12 08:35PM +1100
On 12/02/2017 8:25 PM, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russia-eyes-sending-snowden-u-s-gift-trump-official-n718921?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma
> How does Trump know the (few) things he knows?
er, because Trump is a lot smarter than guys like you?
To me your post reads like 'Gee I wonder why Einstein is better in
science than me?'
Duh.
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Feb 12 11:47AM +0200
On 12.2.2017 11:35, Whisper wrote:
>> How does Trump know the (few) things he knows?
> er, because Trump is a lot smarter than guys like you?
Nah. Probably because Trump himself is a traitor.
--
"Donald Trump is the weak man's vision of a strong man."
-- Charles Cooke
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Trump vexed by challenges, scale of government
calimero377@gmx.de: Feb 11 11:38PM -0800
On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 1:29:12 AM UTC+1, bob wrote:
> trump played a friendly round of golf today. seems merkel is the odd
> man out.
> bob
Good old honest Abe!
Max
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Max relax
PeteWasLucky <Waleed.Khedr@gmail.com>: Feb 11 08:17PM -0800
I am not sure why it bothered you too much that Serena won more slams than Graf. For many fans, Steffi is a better player. Also Serena won't win a CYGS to match Graf achievement.
Steffi was a great athlete and one of the greatest tennis players for sure, so let's keep it and remember it this way.
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: Feb 11 08:29PM -0800
Exactly
calimero377@gmx.de: Feb 11 11:32PM -0800
On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 5:17:10 AM UTC+1, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> I am not sure why it bothered you too much that Serena won more slams than Graf. For many fans, Steffi is a better player. Also Serena won't win a CYGS to match Graf achievement.
> Steffi was a great athlete and one of the greatest tennis players for sure, so let's keep it and remember it this way.
What makes you think Serena's 23th slam bothered me?
It bothered me as much as it bothered Muhammad Ali fans when Vladimir Klitchko overtook Ali in the number of successful title defense bouts or in the duration of being the holder of the heavyweight champion of the world ritle.
But why not confront some US Trumpers who are trying to promote their countrywoman at the expense of Steffi? They have tried it with Navratilova, they have tried it with Seles, and now they are at it again.
At the end of the day those discussions have the desired effect in my opinion - they only elevate the status of Steffi even more.
Max
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trump, brady
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Feb 11 07:53PM -0500
hillary loses election
brady wins 5th SB
if only Michigan wins the Big 10 next year, it'll be the best i could
ever ask for.
sad i had to accept fed's 18th slam, but sacrifices must sometimes be
made.
bob
StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>: Feb 11 08:09PM -0600
On 2/11/2017 6:53 PM, bob wrote:
> ever ask for.
> sad i had to accept fed's 18th slam, but sacrifices must sometimes be
> made.
For me, everything was going perfect - Trump, Serena, Fed, and Falcons
ahead by 16 and have the ball with just 9 minutes to go and no way they
can possibly lose unless they commit a stupid turnover, like when trying
to pass on 3rd and 1 when all you have to do is run it up the gut ...
Oh, and then somehow losing 23 yards and having to punt after having 1st
down at the pats 22 with just 4 minutes to go and needing only the FG to
ice it, etc etc etc.
But as you say, can't have everything, LOL.
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: Feb 11 06:12PM -0800
On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 6:53:09 PM UTC-6, bob wrote:
> if only Michigan wins the Big 10 next year, it'll be the best i could
> ever ask for.
> sad i had to accept fed's 18th slam,
LOL you Sampras luvers are sad people. You are actually okay with Nadal passing Sampras count... but no 18th major for Federer.... bwahahahaha...
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Feb 11 09:56PM -0500
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 20:09:20 -0600, StephenJ <stephenj@flex.com>
wrote:
>Oh, and then somehow losing 23 yards and having to punt after having 1st
>down at the pats 22 with just 4 minutes to go and needing only the FG to
>ice it, etc etc etc.
the Ryan sack, plus pete carroll calling a pass from the 2 yard line
with 23 secs left. 2 of the greatest FB memories I have. :-)
>But as you say, can't have everything, LOL.
bob
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: Feb 11 08:30PM -0800
Are you proud of Ryan Lochte, bob?
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Trump to judges: Even a 'bad high school student' would rule in my favor
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Feb 11 09:09PM -0500
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 13:24:07 -0800 (PST), AZ <arnab.zaheen@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>That's great. But since "rational basis review" is the most basic, default constitutionality test that any Federal or State law has to pass, doesn't this make the President somebody above the law?
i think in certain cases and instances, the president makes somewhat
of a law. why else have executive orders?
> How can this situation exist in a country which taked pride in its democratic ideals and in its checks and balances? If a demonstrably unpopular (in terms of votes) president acts demonstrably irrationally, can't he be checked? Everyone has to fall in line?
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Feb 11 09:14PM -0500
>---
>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>https://www.avast.com/antivirus
az is doing the same thing the judge is doing: disagrees with trump so
tries to rationalize the decision.
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Feb 11 09:17PM -0500
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>That's how it worked under Obama. Repubs always filed suit in TX to get an activist conservative judge to block a law or executive order nationally. CA, WA, and other blue state judges are going to serve the same purpose under Trump.
give a local judge authority to affect national policy? huh?
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Feb 11 09:20PM -0500
>> In 1946-49 ... ?
>In 1947 we were supposed to drop Atom Bombs on USSR because ... why?
>Were they at war with us like Japan in 1945? Weird ...
max is fascinated with the A bomb apparently, and wants to see it
used.
bob
PeteWasLucky <Waleed.Khedr@gmail.com>: Feb 11 06:57PM -0800
Steve, let's agree to disagree, it's simple.
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RST rebounding?
Scott <scottl44@yahoo.com>: Feb 11 05:32PM -0800
Good.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Feb 11 08:58PM -0500
On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 17:32:56 -0800 (PST), Scott <scottl44@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Good.
you agree!
bob
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OT: Belichick and Brady win!
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Feb 11 07:44PM -0500
On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 04:47:05 -0800 (PST), Insane Ranter
>> ----Android NewsGroup Reader----
>> http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
>Did they figure out how they cheated this year?
same way they always cheat. get up early, go to work, stay late, never
give up. yep, sounds like cheating!
bob
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Big hole in Fed's CV or resume - Why couldn't he win a slam in his teens?
Manuel aka Xax <xamigax@gmail.com>: Feb 11 02:05PM -0800
Le samedi 11 février 2017 01:24:48 UTC+1, John Liang a écrit :
> On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 6:01:47 AM UTC+11, The Iceberg wrote:
> > Fed is called the most naturally talented etc yet he the only "Great" that hasn't won a slam in his teens, can the Fedfans tell me why that is? even Michael Chang won the FO when he was 17, does this mean Chang is more talented really than Fed?
> Rod Laver widely regards as the greatest player ever because of his two calendar year grand slams won his first grand slam at 21, does this mean Chang is more talented than Laver ? Only true idiot like you would think so.
+10
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In call with Putin, Trump denounced Obama-era nuclear arms treaty
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Feb 11 11:59PM +0200
Maybe they shouldn't let this guy pick the phone up:
In his first call as president with Russian leader Vladimir Putin,
Donald Trump denounced a treaty that caps U.S. and Russian deployment of
nuclear warheads as a bad deal for the United States, according to two
U.S. officials and one former U.S. official with knowledge of the call.
When Putin raised the possibility of extending the 2010 treaty, known as
New START, Trump paused to ask his aides in an aside what the treaty
was, these sources said.
Trump then told Putin the treaty was one of several bad deals negotiated
by the Obama administration, saying that New START favored Russia. Trump
also talked about his own popularity, the sources said.
It has not been previously reported that Trump had conveyed his doubt
about New START to Putin in the hour-long call.
New START gives both countries until February 2018 to reduce their
deployed strategic nuclear warheads to no more than 1,550, the lowest
level in decades. It also limits deployed land- and submarine-based
missiles and nuclear-capable bombers.
During a debate in the 2016 presidential election, Trump said Russia had
"outsmarted" the United States with the treaty, which he called
"START-Up." He asserted incorrectly then that it had allowed Russia to
continue to produce nuclear warheads while the United States could not.
Two Democratic members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,
senators Jeanne Shaheen and Edward J. Markey, criticized Trump for
deriding what they called a key nuclear arms control accord.
"It's impossible to overstate the negligence of the president of the
United States not knowing basic facts about nuclear policy and arms
control," Shaheen said in a statement. "New START has unquestionably
made our country safer, an opinion widely shared by national security
experts on both sides of the aisle."
Daryl Kimball, the executive director of the Arms Control Association, a
Washington-based advocacy group, said: "Unfortunately, Mr. Trump appears
to be clueless about the value of this key nuclear risk reduction treaty
and the unique dangers of nuclear weapons."
Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said he supported the treaty during his
Senate confirmation hearings.
During the hearings Tillerson said it was important for the United
States to "stay engaged with Russia, hold them accountable to
commitments made under the New START and also ensure our accountability
as well."
The phone call with Putin has added to concerns that Trump is not
adequately prepared for discussions with foreign leaders.
Typically, before a telephone call with a foreign leader, a president
receives a written in-depth briefing paper drafted by National Security
Council staff after consultations with the relevant agencies, including
the State Department, Pentagon and intelligence agencies, two former
senior officials said.
Trump did not receive a briefing from Russia experts with the NSC and
intelligence agencies before the Putin call, two of the sources said.
Reuters was unable to determine if Trump received a briefing from his
national security adviser Michael Flynn.
In the phone call, the Russian leader raised the possibility of reviving
talks on a range of disputes and suggested extending New START, the
sources said.
New START can be extended for another five years, beyond 2021, by mutual
agreement. Unless they agree to do that or negotiate new cuts, the
world's two biggest nuclear powers would be freed from the treaty's
limits, potentially setting the stage for a new arms race.
New START was ratified by the U.S. Senate in December 2010 by a vote of
71 to 26. Thirteen Republican senators joined all of the Senate's
Democrats in voting for the treaty, although Republican opponents
derided it as naive.
The call with Putin was one of several with foreign leaders where Trump
has turned to denounce deals negotiated by previous administrations on
trade, acceptance of refugees and arms control.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-putin-idUSKBN15O2A5?il=0&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social
Further analysis of the NewSTART:
Russian President Vladimir Putin signaled that he wanted to help avoid
the nuclear apocalypse during his first phone call with President Donald
Trump, and Trump reportedly fumbled it—all because he had no idea what
the most important treaty between America and Russia was.
According to news reports, Putin asked if Trump was willing to extend
the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START), the Obama-era nuclear
weapons pact that requires each nation to cap their deployed warheads at
1,500 apiece. It was a golden opportunity for Trump to gauge just how
serious Putin truly was in cutting the number of warheads Russia
currently has.
But there was one problem, according to Reuters: Trump didn't know what
New START was. He reportedly queried his aides for help, and then
proceeded to trash the treaty as just another bad deal his predecessor
President Barack Obama negotiated, according to sources who spoke with
Reuters about the call:
"When Putin raised the possibility of extending the 2010 treaty, known
as New START, Trump paused to ask his aides in an aside what the treaty
was, these sources said."
"Trump then told Putin the treaty was one of several bad deals
negotiated by the Obama administration, saying that New START favored
Russia. Trump also talked about his own popularity, the sources said."
"That treaty is the most important treaty between Russia and the United
States since 1991," Thomas Graham Jr., a former senior-level U.S.
diplomat who was involved in every major nuclear arms treaty between
1970 and 1997, told Foxtrot Alpha in an interview. "And you're on a call
with the president of Russia and you don't know what the most important
treaty between the two countries in the nearly last 30 years is? You
really don't have to go any further than that."
START: How Russia And America Keep Each Other Honest
The original START treaty, signed by George H.W. Bush and Mikhail
Gorbachev in 1991, contributed greatly to reducing each nation's
strategic nuclear arsenal by 80 percent.
That treaty expired in 2009 and New START is its successor. Both sides
are required under New START to volunteer the whereabouts of their
nuclear arsenals, which can be confirmed by satellite surveillance and
on-site inspections. Additionally, Russia and the U.S. must maintain
up-to-date databases of every kind of weapon they have and share that
information with each other.
Jim Walsh, a Senior Research Associate at MIT's Security Studies
Program, told Foxtrot Alpha that New START is vital to keeping tabs on
what the Russians are doing with their current nuclear stockpiles.
"Verification between the U.S. and Russia is stronger and more intrusive
than it is for IAEA's (International Atomic Energy Agency) safeguards,
said Walsh, who has traveled to North Korea and Iran to discuss nuclear
issues with government officials. So we have far more knowledge and
confidence in our assessments of the Russian arsenal than we otherwise
would conceivably have. We know more about the Russian arsenal than any
other arsenal on the globe."
In other words, it is very difficult for either the U.S. or Russia to
create new nuclear weapons or deploy more of them from their respective
stockpiles without the other party knowing. This is as close to a
bilateral checks and balances system between two adversaries as you can get.
One argument is that Russia hasn't honored the agreement completely,
which is true. Russia does have more weapons deployed than New START
permits, but the reasons why that is are far more complicated than Putin
simply disrespecting Obama.
This is not a setback so much as it is an indicator of the need for the
U.S. to work with Putin to relieve his fears of NATO, which is a driving
factor behind his current nuclear modernization. Like any negotiation,
there are setbacks and challenges, but that doesn't mean the premise of
the brokered deal is flawed. And Trump has never made clear why New
START, a deal that is a continuation of a treaty that Bush senior signed
into law and first conceived by Ronald Reagan, is a bad deal.
Based on the Reuters report, Trump's only reason for wanting to ditch
START is because Obama negotiated it. Negotiating nuclear arms
non-proliferation treaties with Russia has never been easy, so when
Putin opened the door to discuss it with Trump, the new American
president missed a huge opportunity.
Walsh, an expert affiliated with the Center for Arms Control and
Non-Proliferation, does hold out hope that Trump can recover from this,
saying that either side can bring up New START at a later date. But
until then, everyone is left to wait on how the world's top nuclear
powers will end up resolving its nuclear weapons differences.
"Everyone. Our allies. Our enemies. The professionals who work on
national security are all on pins and needles," Walsh said. "We have no
idea what's going to happen next."
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/donald-trump-screwed-up-a-big-opportunity-to-avoid-nucl-1792198491
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Flynn the first to go?
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Feb 11 10:02PM +0200
National security adviser Michael Flynn spoke privately with Vice
President Pence on Friday in an apparent attempt to contain the fallout
from the disclosure that Flynn had discussed U.S. sanctions on Russia
with that country's ambassador and then allowed Pence and other White
House officials to publicly deny that he had done so, an administration
official said.
The conversations took place as senior Democrats in Congress called for
existing investigations of Russia's interference in the 2016 election to
expand in scope to scrutinize Flynn's contacts with Russian Ambassador
Sergey Kislyak weeks before the Trump administration took office.
Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the House
Intelligence Committee, said that if the allegations are proved, Flynn
should step down.
Current and former U.S. officials said that in his conversation with
Kislyak in late December, Flynn urged Moscow to show restraint in its
response to punitive sanctions being imposed on Russia by the Obama
administration, signaling that the Trump administration would revisit
the issue when it took office.
That contact was seen by some U.S. officials as potentially illegal
interference in the U.S. relationship with Moscow at a time when U.S.
intelligence agencies were concluding that Russia had waged extensive
cyber and influence campaigns to upend the 2016 presidential race and
help to elect Donald Trump.
President Trump claimed to be unaware of the Flynn controversy as he
traveled to Florida on Friday
Flynn's relationship with Pence was placed under particular strain
because the vice president — apparently relying on inaccurate accounts
from Flynn — publicly declared that Flynn had never discussed sanctions
with the Russian diplomat.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/flynn-holds-call-with-pence-amid-calls-for-probes-of-contacts-with-russian-ambassador/2017/02/10/f8fb83a0-efe1-11e6-9973-c5efb7ccfb0d_story.html?utm_term=.329bd03ad6db
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Uncle Toni, what's up?
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Feb 11 09:15PM +0200
On 11.2.2017 21:09, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> On 11.2.2017 19:57, RaspingDrive wrote:
>> Seems he will not coach Nadal starting next year.
> Ousted by Moya?
"Rafael Nadal's coach and uncle Toni Nadal has said he will no longer
accompany the tennis great on tour, complaining that he is being shut
out of decision-making."
joshorst@gmail.com: Feb 11 11:23AM -0800
Op zaterdag 11 februari 2017 20:15:30 UTC+1 schreef Pelle Svanslös:
> "Rafael Nadal's coach and uncle Toni Nadal has said he will no longer
> accompany the tennis great on tour, complaining that he is being shut
> out of decision-making."
silent ban?
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