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The greatest GOAT list of all time - 14 Updates
Expert: We caught Russian hackers in the act - 4 Updates
Britain and the EU: What Happens Next? - 1 Update
Trump transition team for Energy Department seeks names of employees involved in climate meetings - 1 Update
"I was wrong on Brexit" - 1 Update
Some films... - 1 Update
Half of ?Leave? Voters Unwilling to Take a Brexit Hit - 2 Updates
Feathered dinosaur tail found encased in amber - 1 Update
The greatest GOAT list of all time
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Dec 14 06:46AM -0500
It doesn't matter even if he beat him 1000 times as long as he
couldn't raise above him by winning as much as Federer
won.
You can keep crying this, lol, no one will give a fuck, all the
glory is and will stay forever about the 17 slams.
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail>: Dec 14 10:57PM +1100
On 14/12/2016 10:46 PM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> won.
> You can keep crying this, lol, no one will give a fuck, all the
> glory is and will stay forever about the 17 slams.
No it won't. Emerson had the slam record until Sampras broke it & not
many cared because he was never considered better than Laver/Rosewall.
Same deal with Federer. He won 90% of his slams with zero competition
(similar to Emerson winning in amateur era), & he never established
superiority over Rafa - in fact he was completely owned by him.
Of course he will always be in the goat list, but if people never
considered him boat in his own era then you can forget about him being
considered 'the' best.
No point asking Fedfuckers what they think - it's like asking Beiber
fans who is best singer ever.
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Dec 14 04:07AM -0800
On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 6:57:03 AM UTC-5, Whisper wrote:
> considered 'the' best.
> No point asking Fedfuckers what they think - it's like asking Beiber
> fans who is best singer ever.
Whisper, stop making a fool of yourself. The truth of the matter is most people do consider Federer the GOAT (as silly as the GOAT concept is.) I'm no Fedfucker and it's obvious that the guy who has the two most important records--i.e. slam record, weeks @ #1 and the most diverse slam resume will be considered the GOAT until somebody steps up and beats those records.
And don't talk about weak slam competition because who did Sampras have to deal with for most of his career? Agassi? Becker, Edberg, etc. were already getting older and were out of contention when Sampras started to dominate. Then you look at Djokovic for the past two years and who the hell was his competition? Murray with a broken back and Wawrinka who shows up once a year? Who was Djokovic dominating for the past two years? A 34 year old Federer? Djokovic barely beat old Fed in some of those slams and on faster hard courts in best of three, Federer was still able to come out on top. So please spare us with the weak competition for Federer BS.
Guypers <gapp111@gmail.com>: Dec 14 04:23AM -0800
On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 7:07:06 AM UTC-5, Court_1 wrote:
> > fans who is best singer ever.
> Whisper, stop making a fool of yourself. The truth of the matter is most people do consider Federer the GOAT (as silly as the GOAT concept is.) I'm no Fedfucker and it's obvious that the guy who has the two most important records--i.e. slam record, weeks @ #1 and the most diverse slam resume will be considered the GOAT until somebody steps up and beats those records.
> And don't talk about weak slam competition because who did Sampras have to deal with for most of his career? Agassi? Becker, Edberg, etc. were already getting older and were out of contention when Sampras started to dominate. Then you look at Djokovic for the past two years and who the hell was his competition? Murray with a broken back and Wawrinka who shows up once a year? Who was Djokovic dominating for the past two years? A 34 year old Federer? Djokovic barely beat old Fed in some of those slams and on faster hard courts in best of three, Federer was still able to come out on top. So please spare us with the weak competition for Federer BS.
Birdshit would beat Hoad, Laver, Pete 61,62,61 !!!!
PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Dec 14 07:27AM -0500
Again stop crying, I feel your pain but deal with it, Sampras
accepted it long time ago.
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Gerrit 't Hart <sad@for.you>: Dec 14 08:59PM +0800
On 14/12/2016 11:47 AM, PeteWasLucky wrote:
> will come and go as well and the only name that will be mentioned
> as a GOAT will be Federer and Lever will be mentioned as well as
> the person that last win CYGS.
...and Laver did it twice! How can he not be the greatest of all time?
You can only play against your opposition, and if you beat all of them
consistently plus score two real Grand Slams then to me there is no contest.
> more but he is the CLAY GOAT forever.
> Sorry this is life and reality, enjoy your boat and other silly
> theories.
Maybe most people here live in a dream world that their era is the best
ever. :)
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Dec 14 05:01AM -0800
On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 9:15:13 PM UTC+11, Whisper wrote:
> > Any single players could have a number of excuses. Just cut the shit out stay with the facts.
> No excuses - Rafa beat Fed 9 times out of 11 in slams, right throughout
> their career on all 3 surfaces.
No excuse, Rafa for his whole career couldn't even defend a single non clay court grand slam. Also no excuse Sampras could lost to anyone in the draw at FO.
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Dec 14 05:03AM -0800
On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 9:13:55 PM UTC+11, Whisper wrote:
> better than Federer right throughout their careers, & I suspect Djoker
> at his best also had Fed's number. This is just in Fed's own time, let
> alone 'all time'.
Clearly better ? He was about how many bluest of blue chip slam short of been better? And FO was not a blue chip slam if it is not on clay.
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Dec 14 03:03PM +0200
On 14.12.2016 14:07, Court_1 wrote:
>> No point asking Fedfuckers what they think - it's like asking
>> Beiber fans who is best singer ever.
> Whisper, stop making a fool of yourself.
He's correct for once.
> The truth of the matter is
> most people do consider Federer the GOAT (as silly as the GOAT
> concept is.)
Whisper puts him in the GOAT list too.
> I'm no Fedfucker
Sure you are. That's why you're here.
> the two most important records--i.e. slam record, weeks @ #1 and the
> most diverse slam resume will be considered the GOAT until somebody
> steps up and beats those records.
True.
> And don't talk about weak slam competition
The 2003 period was a weak period. There's no getting around that.
> etc. were already getting older and were out of contention when
> Sampras started to dominate. Then you look at Djokovic for the past
> two years and who the hell was his competition?
He's beaten everyone at their prime. Rafa basically quits because he's
had enough and a 34 old Federer beats a 25 old Federer. Even Sampras
says so.
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Dec 14 05:06AM -0800
On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 11:07:06 PM UTC+11, Court_1 wrote:
> > No point asking Fedfuckers what they think - it's like asking Beiber
> > fans who is best singer ever.
> Whisper, stop making a fool of yourself.
Can a fool stop making a fool of himself ? He is a fool.
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Dec 14 05:18AM -0800
On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 12:03:58 AM UTC+11, Pelle Svanslös wrote:
> > Sampras started to dominate. Then you look at Djokovic for the past
> > two years and who the hell was his competition?
> He's beaten everyone at their prime.
Rafa basically quits because he's
> had enough and a 34 old Federer beats a 25 old Federer.
34 years old Federer beat 25 years old Federer, what a load of crap.
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Dec 14 02:53PM +0100
>> And mentioning 34 year old Federer as "being the only opponent for
>> Djokovic" is not an excuse?
> It is also a fact that your boat had to wait until another player at 34 to dominate that is some impressive boat credential.
I only look what Djokovic was able to do, ie win all 4 slams, YEC,
reach record braking 16950 ATP pts.
Federer could never do that.
You don't get to choose who you play against. But if you want to
talk about tough or weak competition, in 2006 Nadal was force
only on clay, and world #3 was Ljubicic. That's lame.
That's why elo is important. It takes into account quality of the
opponents you face. So of course it will have Djokovic with
Federer/Murray/Wawrinka as better than Federer with clay
Nadal/Ljubicic/Davydenko/Baghdatis/Gonzales/Soderling etc.
Face it. Federer has "more gold medals" but it is the Djokovic who
owns world record.
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Dec 14 02:56PM +0100
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You know nothing obviously. When did you start following tennis.
Last year?
Federer's 6300 pts would translate to 12600 pts today more or less.
And Murray was arguably more consistent in slams/masters in 2015
than Federer was in 2004, therefore similar amount of pts for
both even with Murray winning less slams this year.
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Dec 14 11:45AM -0500
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It's about the slams, stop wasting bandwidth.
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Expert: We caught Russian hackers in the act
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Dec 14 02:43PM +0100
> of hacking throughout the world. Their opinions are probably all in
> agreement, perhaps not down at the detailed level, but I doubt that
> any are in much doubt about the hackers.
I've read the opposite.
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Dec 14 02:42PM +0100
You do realize you don't have to be world class hacker working for
superpowers ie their governments to be able to hack someone's
Gmail account?
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PeteWasLucky <waleed.khedr@gmail.com>: Dec 14 11:34AM -0500
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You do realize you don't need to work for a government to kill people.
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Brian W Lawrence <brian_w_lawrence@msn.com>: Dec 14 04:44PM
On 14/12/2016 13:43, *skriptis wrote:
>> agreement, perhaps not down at the detailed level, but I doubt that
>> any are in much doubt about the hackers.
> I've read the opposite.
Well I'm sure you read lots of weird stuff.
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Britain and the EU: What Happens Next?
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.los>: Dec 14 04:42PM +0200
Six months on from the U.K.'s referendum, the broad outlines of Brexit
are emerging through the winter gloom.
While much remains uncertain about Prime Minister Theresa May's
ambitions as she sets about leaving the European Union, one of the few
certainties is her insistence that Article 50 -- the mechanism that will
start exit negotiations -- will be triggered by the end of March.
With little more than three months before she pushes the button,
Bloomberg has conducted interviews and analyzed public comments with two
dozen officials on both sides of the negotiations to reveal the emerging
thinking, key battle-lines and likely obstacles that lie ahead. A summit
of EU leaders in Brussels on Thursday should offer a further glimpse of
the challenges, and how May's EU counterparts respond to them.
Process
The one thing London and Brussels agree on is that the time for
negotiations will be short. Once May invokes Article 50, negotiators
will have less than 18 months to reach a deal, allowing enough time for
the European Parliament and British lawmakers to ratify it. With
European elections due in 2019, negotiators on both sides worry the
Parliament will prove the toughest hurdle.
Beyond this, there is little consensus. May needs to reach two main
agreements: one on withdrawal from the bloc, covering borders, budgets,
pensions for British EU staff, and an exit charge of up to 60 billion
euros ($64 billion). The second part will cover the U.K.'s future
trading relationship with the bloc.
Britain wants to work on both deals simultaneously. Michel Barnier, the
chief EU negotiator, rejects this, favoring the traditional European
approach of negotiating treaties one chapter at a time. He has told
diplomats that a lack of resources mean parallel talks would be tough.
Transition
Both Barnier and U.K. ministers now believe some kind of transitional
arrangement may be required to avoid a sudden, shock exit. On Monday,
U.K. Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond warned publicly for the
first time that the negotiations could fail to reach a final deal within
the two-year timeframe, making a transition plan essential.
Brexit Secretary David Davis is reluctant to endorse the idea, but
others in his department confirmed it's under discussion. May, who will
ultimately decide, has been Delphic so far, saying only that no-one
wants a "cliff edge."
EU diplomats think the transition will merely extend the U.K.'s current
membership, with full single-market access in exchange for free movement
of people and the rule of the European Court of Justice -- conditions
that British Euro-skeptics will abhor.
May will also be asked to set out her preferred shape for the permanent
relationship before Barnier offers a transition package. "There would be
some point and usefulness to a transitional period if it is the path to
this new partnership," Barnier said last week. But neither side wants a
bridging arrangement to become permanent.
Money
As the second largest economy in the bloc, Britain's financial might is
one of its strongest bargaining chips. Hammond and Davis are considering
paying the EU for access to the single market. "The major criterion here
is that we get the best possible access for goods and services to the
European market," Davis explained this month.
Hard-line Euro-skeptics in May's governing Tory party, such as Foreign
Secretary Boris Johnson, disagree. Johnson campaigned to leave the EU,
promising to regain 350 million pounds ($440 million) a week of British
contributions to the Brussels budget.
Money talks on the other side of the Channel, too. When Britain -- a net
contributor to the EU -- withdraws, it will severely dent the funds
available for the main net recipients in eastern Europe. These states
are likely to push for the U.K. to keep paying, potentially until the
current budget period ends in 2020, diplomats said. U.K. officials think
this could persuade eastern European countries to accept British demands
for some migration controls, or single-market access.
Banks
While vital for some of the biggest global businesses, maintaining the
rights of British-based banks to provide services across the EU is a
lesser priority for the rest of the bloc. France, Germany and Poland are
among countries trying to lure financial services away from London.
Davis has privately warned there will be no special favors for financial
services, but he sees the significance of the 70 billion pounds annually
they contribute in U.K. taxes. His officials are working on fixes to
allow banks and insurers to continue operating across the EU. At the
minimum, banks want a pledge of a transitional arrangement.
One option -- access for banks on the basis that the EU judges U.K.
financial regulations as equivalent to its own -- would be difficult.
Trade minister Mark Garnier said maintaining equivalence could mean
having to accept all Brussels regulations with no chance to shape them.
Migration
Ending the open border with the EU is the only immovable red line in the
talks for many in May's team. Unfortunately, "free movement" is also a
red line for the rest of the EU. A succession of leaders warned May that
if she wants no free movement of people, she will have no membership of
the single market. Hammond, Davis and others have promised they won't
stop "highly skilled, highly paid" individuals moving to the U.K. to work.
Trade
British and EU diplomats accept that May's stance on migration rules out
the U.K. remaining inside the single market. If that were not enough,
May also declared Britain must not be subject to the European Court of
Justice, another requirement of single-market membership.
A murkier question is whether the U.K. will stay in the customs union,
which sets common tariff arrangements with external countries and
enables goods to move freely across borders within the EU. May wants
Britain to lead a new era of global free trade but Britain cannot strike
trade deals on its own until it leaves the customs union.
May's key ministers are split on the issue, while she seems to be eyeing
a hybrid deal. One U.K. minister suggested a compromise could keep
Britain in the customs union for some products and sectors of the
economy while leaving it for others.
Davis is studying the trading relationships the EU has with Canada, as
well as Norway -- which is in the single market and outside the customs
union -- and Switzerland, which is outside both but has its own customs
deal with Brussels.
Davis regards a bespoke free-trade deal as the most likely goal for the
U.K. May has said she wants a "red, white and blue" Brexit, rather than
replicating a model that already exists.
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Trump transition team for Energy Department seeks names of employees involved in climate meetings
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Dec 14 02:37PM +0100
> --
> ?Donald Trump is the weak man?s vision of a strong man.?
> -- Charles Cooke
Vamos Trump.
The guy is showing he will be able to implement and pursue his policy.
That's something everyone is expecting.
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"I was wrong on Brexit"
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Dec 14 02:38PM +0100
>> A good read, good points too. None of which is to your credit, if that's
>> what you think.
> what makes it a good read? that the moron academic that wrote it has taken 6 months to finally come round to the conclusion that I did from day 1? amazing considering his type(eg.Court1) meant to be so clever and I considered such an 'uneducated savage', eh! Best thing is that he admits writing stuff JUST to back his pals and keep them in power, that just sums up the today's mainstream media.
True.
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Some films...
Court_1 <olympia0000@yahoo.com>: Dec 14 03:57AM -0800
On Wednesday, December 14, 2016 at 2:38:50 AM UTC-5, Gracchus wrote:
> > I will try and watch Enemy. Will I like it better than Hombre? ;)
> Well it's not in the western genre, you appreciate a lot of other psychological films, and it was filmed in Toronto. Good chance of you liking it better than "Hombre."
Ha ha. I know. I was only trying to razz you a bit! I didn't dislike Hombre.
> > I think I may ask you to watch The Other(1972) which was directed by Robert Mulligan as I know you liked most of his other films and I think you would probably like this one. It's really not so much a horror/supernatural film as it is a character study IMO (TT disagrees with me on that). You'll have to decide for yourself. ;)
> That one should be relatively painless to watch. And I liked Tom Tryon's "Harvest Home."
Relatively painless? LOL. I think it will be an entirely pain-free experience. Quiet or I'll choose a sleazy/silly movie like Dark Places or Laura Mars for you to watch and then you'll know what real pain is. :)
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Half of ?Leave? Voters Unwilling to Take a Brexit Hit
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Dec 13 06:50PM -0500
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 20:54:12 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>
wrote:
>Once you do this Brexit wins again.
>If you don't factor it in you'll befall the same fate as the US
>pollsters who embarrassingly suggested Hillary would win.
i saw a long line of pollsters stemming from the unemployment office
the other day.
bob
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Dec 13 06:51PM -0500
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 21:02:02 +1100, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>
wrote:
>> Seriously my advice, try to listen more, talk less, there are lots
>> to learn.
>I was just going to give you the same advice.
i was going to tell him to seek some psychiatriac help. the poor man
is suffering between brexit and trump.
bob
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Feathered dinosaur tail found encased in amber
soccerfan777 <zepfloyes@gmail.com>: Dec 13 11:58AM -0800
On Tuesday, December 13, 2016 at 1:51:03 PM UTC-6, TT wrote:
> > "The presence of articulated tail vertebrae in the sample enabled researchers to rule out the possibility that the feathers belonged to a prehistoric bird."
> Why does he need to learn to read? Doesn't make burgers more tasty now
> does it. And he could always join the police force.
How does a burger flipper make a burger tastier than usual? By applying some man juice?
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