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Here's the Verdict On That "Terrible" Obama Economy - 2 Updates
When Will Trump Voters Realize They've Been Scammed?? -- Probably NEVER. - 3 Updates
Trump opted to purchase his steel and aluminum from Chinese manufacturers rather than United States corporations - 1 Update
When Will Trump Voters Realize They've Been Scammed? - 1 Update
A Trump Surrogate Drops the Mic: 'There's No Such Thing as Facts' - 1 Update
How Trump's Betrayal of His White Working-Class Supporters Has Already Begun - 1 Update
Trump Campaign and GOP Allies in Full Legal Panic as Recounts Could Create Electoral College Crisis - 1 Update
did unifarva put up his christmas tree yet? - 1 Update
The Most Telling Moment at Trump's Bizarre Victory Rally Might Have Been This - 1 Update
does unifarva like french toast? - 1 Update
is unifarva an insurance agent? - 1 Update
does unifarva need hip replacement surgery? - 1 Update
does unifarva work with troubled teens? - 1 Update
has unifarva ever had to have his head amputated? - 1 Update
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does robby like the smell of irish spring soap? - 1 Update
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GOP gets its science news from Breitbart....because scientists are the DEVIL's WHORES... - 1 Update
Here's the Verdict On That "Terrible" Obama Economy
"Jason Todd!!!" <janklowicz24@yahoo.com>: Dec 03 12:05PM -0800
I had thought we'd wait until Jan. 20 to draw the line under the "Obama economy."
But seeing as Trumpists are already claiming credit for good economic news since the election, such as the rise in the stock market, I guess we can do it now.
And the picture is pretty clear.
That "terrible" Obama economy? That picture of U.S. economic and industrial decline? That image of malaise and an economy that is no longer "great" and "doesn't win anymore" and "doesn't make anything anymore"?
It's total nonsense.
There's no point in trying to have a rational argument — or even talking facts — to angry people who shout "libtard!" at their opponents and cite Infowars or Sean Hannity as sources.
But for all those who didn't vote for Trump — and that's about 70% of adult U.S. citizens when considering the eligible population — here are the facts. I've compared the third quarter of 2008 — just before Obama's election — with the third quarter of 2016. (I've included links to the data, although Trump's tinfoil army, most of whom wouldn't know an actual source if it hit them over the head, will just cry conspiracy theory, as usual.)
The Obama Economy
Third-quarter 2008 Third-quarter 2016 Verdict
Gross domestic product (2009 dollars) $14.892 trillion $16.713 trillion Up 12%
30-year mortgage loan rate 6.46% 3.54% Nearly halved
Nonfarm payrolls 136.3 million 145.0 million Up 8.7 million
Uninsured (health) 45 million 27 million Down 18 million
Exports (2009 dollars) $1.766 trillion $2.163 trillion Up 22%
Un- and under-employed rate (U6) 11.8% 9.5% Down 20%
Median household income $50,303 $57,929 Up 15%
Manufacturing output per worker (2009 dollars) $382,977 $436,776 Up 14%
Dow Jones Industrial Average 9,319 18,332 Nearly doubled
Not bad. Especially as we were just plunging into the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.
Of course, this isn't all about the president (or Congress, for that matter). Growth mainly comes from the private sector — from entrepreneurs and workers. But presidents and governments play a role. They can foster an environment in which growth occurs. Or they can screw things up. If people blame President Obama for bad economic news, then they do really need to give him some credit for the good.
I'll confess: When I first ran these numbers, I was surprised. I hadn't realized they would be this positive. I guess I've been listening to the doom-and-gloom merchants too much.
But here's a prediction: At the first sign of trouble next year, President Trump and his cheerleaders, like Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones, will say it's the fault of that "terrible" Obama economy that he inherited.
Now read: U.S. jobless rate hits 9-year low of 4.6% in November
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Trijcomm <trijcomm@yahoo.com>: Dec 03 12:20PM -0800
Oh baloney. If that was the case then the voters would have come out and supported Obama 2.0 (Hillary). They KNEW what the economy was like just by using their eyes and ears. They snuffed it out themselves -- and the smell was putrid so they made the change.
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When Will Trump Voters Realize They've Been Scammed?? -- Probably NEVER.
"Jason Todd!!!" <janklowicz24@yahoo.com>: Dec 03 12:10PM -0800
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/many-trump-supporters-willing-to-let-him-pick-and-choose-what-promises-to-fulfill/2016/12/02/93a8530e-b8a3-11e6-b994-f45a208f7a73_story.html?utm_term=.ae17966b72c7
By Jenna Johnson December 2 at 6:01 PM
CINCINNATI — Susan Meyer becomes giddy as she explains just how excited she is for President-elect Donald Trump to take office. Her tone changes at the mention of "secretary of state."
Meyer trusts Trump, but she simply doesn't understand why he would put Mitt Romney on his shortlist to head the State Department. It's not that she doesn't like Romney; she voted for him in 2012 and considers him fully capable. But how could Trump forget the things Romney said about him during the primary? Why would he trust someone like that?
"He outwardly spoke against him in a malicious way," said Meyer, a retired teacher in her 70s who once taught students for whom English was a second language. "Is he loyal? Is he going to be loyal to the president? I would question that."
In the three weeks since Trump won the election, he has dropped or leaned away from a number of key campaign promises, puzzling some of his supporters. Appointing a special prosecutor to investigate former rival Hillary Clinton is no longer a top priority for Trump, who sympathetically said that Clinton already "went through a lot." He has said he is now open to amending the Affordable Care Act instead of fully repealing it. And several of his Cabinet picks are longtime players on Wall Street or in Washington — the "swamp," in Trump's words, that he has pledged to drain.
Many of Trump's supporters who showed up to his first post-election rally in this Midwestern city Thursday night said they completely trust their president-elect to make the right decisions for the country, even if they don't understand his motives. And they were quick to come up with explanations for why he's doing what he's doing — like suddenly being buddies with Romney.
Meyer said that Trump is "trying to bring the party together" after the bruising election. The guy sitting behind her at the rally agreed.
"If he could be someone who could really benefit his Cabinet and be better for America, I say go for it," said Joe Terry, a 54-year-old father of five who works in maintenance.
Terry said he has no problem with Trump's pick for treasury secretary, Steven Mnuchin, a former Goldman Sachs executive and Hollywood producer who co-founded a bank during the financial crisis that foreclosed on thousands of homeowners.
"Let's face it, he's going to look out for corporations, to make things work for them, to bring jobs back home," Terry said. "And as things trickle down — as they're going to because it's America — the little guy will get something, too."
For secretary of state, Meyer said she hopes Trump will ultimately pick someone like former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, who stood by Trump when few would, or retired Gen. David H. Petraeus, who pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified material and is still on probation.
"He paid the price," said Meyer, who lives across the river from Cincinnati in northern Kentucky. "When you pay the price, then you're forgiven. And he did a fraction of what Hillary did."
Meyer's favorite debate moment was when Trump told Clinton that if he were president, she would be in jail.
"He looked right at her, and I loved it," she said.
But Meyer and her husband said that while they want to see Clinton held responsible for using a private email server while secretary of state, neither of them expected Trump to take on the issue himself.
"I know what he was saying, but the president can't prosecute anybody," said Robert "Bob" Meyer. "I think that's out of Trump's hands. He should leave it to the Justice Department, and she should be prosecuted."
His wife agreed, adding: "It was a debate. . . . He doesn't always think. He's not a politician. He just says it."
Still, at Trump's first mention of Clinton during the rally that night, the whole arena began chanting: "Lock her up! Lock her up! Lock her up!"
Trump stood by and smiled.
Sitting one section over from the Meyers was another couple in their 70s who were convinced that Trump's change in tone on Clinton is just a strategic act.
[The trick to persuading Trump? Flattery, proximity and snappy pitches.]
"I don't think it would stick anyhow because Obama could pardon her," explained Bob Knopp, 74, a retired civil engineer. "I think it's really too early for him to really say a whole lot about anything. When Obama gets out of there, it might change again."
For Susan Meyer, it feels like the country has already changed since the election — and she gave Trump credit for keeping open a Carrier furnace factory in Indianapolis rather than letting it move all of its jobs to Mexico.
"It made my heart feel good to know that these families will have a Christmas," she said. "I felt so good when he did that. And that's what I love about him. He didn't wait until his inauguration. He did it. He's a worker. He started calling up, and he's Donald Trump, and they listened to him."
The deal didn't happen quite that way. Carrier agreed not to shift about 800 manufacturing and management positions south of the border, in exchange for a $7 million incentive package from the state. About 1,300 jobs will still move to Mexico, however.
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['I will give you everything.' Here are 282 of Donald Trump's campaign promises.]
Meyer and other Trump supporters shrugged at these details, saying that's just how business works.
"At least he put forth the effort," she said. "And he might not be able to do that with everybody. . . . But I want us to start producing things again. I want to buy a clothes item that's made in the good ol' U.S.A. I want to buy a sweeper that comes from the U.S.A. We don't produce, and that really bothers me."
Meyer is hopeful that Trump will ease environmental restrictions to allow factories to open more easily — and create millions of jobs, secure the border, protect the country from terrorists, reduce the influence of wealthy lobbyists and rebuild the inner cities. She told her friends that if Trump doesn't deliver, they can "boot him out."
"I want him to achieve," she said. "He might not be able to do everything all at once, but as long as he progresses and shows that he's trying, making an effort, okay. But I will hold him to some of those promises."
Trijcomm <trijcomm@yahoo.com>: Dec 03 12:17PM -0800
It is clear that it was voters like YOU who were scammed by Hillary, the most corrupt, inept and incompetent presidential candidate EVER. But it was YOUR fault because it was CLEAR who she was and you chose to ignore it. But the American people did NOT!
"Journalist?" <marshalfromtaos@gmail.com>: Dec 03 12:19PM -0800
On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 12:11:00 PM UTC-8, Jason Todd!!! wrote:
> "At least he put forth the effort," she said. "And he might not be able to do that with everybody. . . . But I want us to start producing things again. I want to buy a clothes item that's made in the good ol' U.S.A. I want to buy a sweeper that comes from the U.S.A. We don't produce, and that really bothers me."
> Meyer is hopeful that Trump will ease environmental restrictions to allow factories to open more easily — and create millions of jobs, secure the border, protect the country from terrorists, reduce the influence of wealthy lobbyists and rebuild the inner cities. She told her friends that if Trump doesn't deliver, they can "boot him out."
> "I want him to achieve," she said. "He might not be able to do everything all at once, but as long as he progresses and shows that he's trying, making an effort, okay. But I will hold him to some of those promises."
The FUN part is that the RED STATES will be boned the most.......
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Trump opted to purchase his steel and aluminum from Chinese manufacturers rather than United States corporations
"Journalist?" <marshalfromtaos@gmail.com>: Dec 03 12:15PM -0800
http://www.newsweek.com/how-donald-trump-ditched-us-steel-workers-china-505717
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When Will Trump Voters Realize They've Been Scammed?
"Jason Todd!!!" <janklowicz24@yahoo.com>: Dec 03 12:07PM -0800
Brett Arends, Marketwatch
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/when-will-trump-voters-realize-theyve-been-had-2016-12-02
Hey, Trumpkins — have you worked it out yet? Is the truth dawning on you, or are you still in the dark?
See if you can put it all together from the resumes of those in President-elect Donald Trump's closest political circle so far:
Treasury secretary nominee Steven Mnuchin: Goldman Sachs.
Chief strategist Steve Bannon: Goldman Sachs.
Transition adviser Anthony Scaramucci: Goldman Sachs.
Commerce secretary nominee Wilbur Ross: Rothschild & Co.
Possible budget director Gary Cohn: Goldman Sachs.
Potential secretary of state Mitt Romney: Bain Capital.
Trump is just getting started. Check out that "swamp draining." The whole thing is just draining before our eyes! Take that, Wall Street! Take that, "international financial cabal!"
Trumpkins, you've been scammed. There's a sucker in this game — and it's you.
And by the way, what's the best-performing stock in the Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA, -0.11% since the election?
Goldman Sachs. GS, -1.44%
Yes, really. Shares are up 24%, to $225 from $182 when the market closed on November 8. The next biggest gainer: Wall Street powerhouse JP Morgan Chase JPM, -0.23%
Half of the Dow's gain since the election, in fact, is due to just those two Wall Street stocks. By contrast, shares of "Main Street" companies Johnson & Johnson JNJ, +0.52% Procter & Gamble PG, +0.66% and Coca-Cola KO, +0.47% are down.
According to company documents, the partners at Goldman own 30.65 million shares. Which means that the partners at Goldman Sachs, in total, are $1.3 billion richer than they were on November 8, thanks to Trump's election.
Remember when Trump and his proxies assailed Hillary Clinton for allegedly being too close to Goldman Sachs because she gave a couple of speeches there? Trump even singled out Goldman CEO Lloyd Blankfein, plus other Jews, in a sinister campaign commercial that inveighed against an "international financial structure" that cheated ordinary American workers. The 2016 election is "a choice between Donald Trump and Goldman Sachs," insisted NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden earlier this year.
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What a number Trump has played on the "poorly educated." No wonder he said he loves them.
Trumpkins are learning the hard way what happens when you buy an investment scheme from a con-artist. I've been writing about scam artists for more than 20 years. They always promise you the moon — that is, until your check clears.
When will these voters get it? Maybe never. Author Maria Konnivoka notes in her book The Confidence Game that many victims refuse to admit they've been scammed — no matter what the evidence. Indeed, she says, many just keep coming back for more. This is something I'll bet Donald Trump knows full well, and which he's banking on (pun intended) in 2020.
Meanwhile, give credit where credit is due. Trump is fattening the bank accounts of the elite, but he also may have saved 1,000 jobs at Carrier . If he really did, good for him. Those who opposed Trump should stop being so churlish. After all, on President Barack Obama's watch the U.S. economy generated 8.6 million net new jobs — equal to 2,945, or about three Carrier deals, every day, including Sundays, for going on eight consecutive years. And who can forget all of those patriotic Republicans congratulating Obama for that?
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A Trump Surrogate Drops the Mic: 'There's No Such Thing as Facts'
"Journalist?" <marshalfromtaos@gmail.com>: Dec 03 11:58AM -0800
BY JACK HOLMES
DEC 1, 2016
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Is there such a thing as truth? The past 18 months posed this seemingly absurd question. It's not whether something Donald Trump says is true, but about whether anyone even cares. Trump's campaign made a bet that enough voters didn't (or couldn't) tell the difference in a deluge of information, and that bet paid off. Trump won the most important election in decades. His surrogate Scott Nell Hughes explicitly confirmed that whole strategy yesterday.
Hughes joined The Diane Rehm Show to discuss the media's role in covering the Trump administration. If the campaign and transition are anything to go on, Trump's White House will not overly concern itself with reality. The whole segment is here, but another member of the panel, The Atlantic's James Fallows, flagged one particular moment of the conversation. Around the 14-minute mark, Hughes illustrated a defining principle of Trumpism: There's no longer such thing as fact, because anything is true if enough people believe it.
"Well, I think it's also an idea of an opinion. And that's—on one hand, I hear half the media saying that these are lies. But on the other half, there are many people that go, 'No, it's true.' And so one thing that has been interesting this entire campaign season to watch, is that people that say facts are facts—they're not really facts. Everybody has a way—it's kind of like looking at ratings, or looking at a glass of half-full water. Everybody has a way of interpreting them to be the truth, or not truth. There's no such thing, unfortunately, anymore as facts.
"And so Mr. Trump's tweet, amongst a certain crowd—a large part of the population—are truth. When he says that millions of people illegally voted, he has some—amongst him and his supporters, and people believe they have facts to back that up. Those that do not like Mr. Trump, they say that those are lies and that there are no facts to back it up."
This is an astounding claim.
more
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a51152/trump-surrogate-no-such-thing-as-facts/
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How Trump's Betrayal of His White Working-Class Supporters Has Already Begun
"Journalist?" <marshalfromtaos@gmail.com>: Dec 03 11:55AM -0800
Paul Krugman writes in Friday's column that Donald Trump's white working-class supporters won't be celebrating for long. Just three short weeks after the election, the president-elect has already shown clear signs that his concern for their welfare is about as real as Trump University's concern for its students.
"The white working class is about to be betrayed," Krugman declares in no uncertain terms. "The evidence of that coming betrayal is obvious in the choice of an array of pro-corporate, anti-labor figures for key positions. In particular, the most important story of the week — seriously, people, stop focusing on Trump Twitter — was the selection of Tom Price, an ardent opponent of Obamacare and advocate of Medicare privatization, as secretary of health and human services. This choice probably means that the Affordable Care Act is doomed — and Mr. Trump's most enthusiastic supporters will be among the biggest losers."
How so many people were convinced to vote against their own interests is a story for another day, but they are about to learn a hard lesson about voting to blow up the whole flawed systen to install a charlatan at its helm. But back to healthcare: all the Republican talk of repealing and replacing Obamacare has always been a fraud in Krugman's view. Obamacare is imperfect, yes, but it looks how it looks out of necessity: "You can't cover Americans with pre-existing conditions without requiring healthy people to sign up, and you can't do that without subsidies to make insurance affordable," Krugman points out.
The choices are stark: They can do away with Obamacare, costing millions their healthcare lifeline, or replace it with something very similar and somehow spin it as entirely new and better.
Either way, you can bet the working class won't be the beneficiaries.
Here's how Krugman knows Trump supporters will be among those hardest hit:
You can see why by looking at Census data from 2013 to 2015, which show the impact of the full implementation of Obamacare. Over that period, the number of uninsured Americans dropped by 13 million; whites without a college degree, who voted Trump by around two to one, accounted for about eight million of that decline. So we're probably looking at more than five million Trump supporters, many of whom have chronic health problems and recently got health insurance for the first time, who just voted to make their lives nastier, more brutish, and shorter.
Why did they do it? They may not have realized that their coverage was at stake — over the course of the campaign, the news media barely covered policy at all. Or they may have believed Mr. Trump's assurances that he would replace Obamacare with something great.
Sorry, suckers.
Nor should they put much store in those great manufacturing jobs coming back
Krugman is convinced they were lost thanks to technology and are gone for good. That's why the safety net is so important.
Trump will try to distract from his betrayal of his base, as with the showy announcement of the Carrier deal this week, which is not what he presents it to be. "Mr. Trump didn't 'stand up' to Carrier — he seems to have offered it a bribe," Krugman writes. "And we're talking about a thousand jobs in a huge economy; at the rate of one Carrier-size deal a week, it would take Mr. Trump 30 years to save as many jobs as President Obama did with the auto bailout; it would take him a century to make up for the overall loss of manufacturing jobs just since 2000."
Krugman ends on a somber note, writing, "If and when the reality that workers are losing ground starts to sink in, I worry that the Trumpists will do what authoritarian governments often do to change the subject away from poor performance: go find an enemy."
Trump's Twitter rant about flag-burners was no accident, it was a distraction ploy.
You've been warned.
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Trump Campaign and GOP Allies in Full Legal Panic as Recounts Could Create Electoral College Crisis
"Journalist?" <marshalfromtaos@gmail.com>: Dec 03 11:52AM -0800
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/trump-campaign-and-gop-allies-full-legal-panic-recounts-could-create-electoral-college
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did unifarva put up his christmas tree yet?
robert <rjs2085@yahoo.com>: Dec 03 11:51AM -0800
yes or no?
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The Most Telling Moment at Trump's Bizarre Victory Rally Might Have Been This
"Journalist?" <marshalfromtaos@gmail.com>: Dec 03 11:50AM -0800
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/most-telling-moment-trumps-bizarre-victory-rally-was-not-what-you-think
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does unifarva like french toast?
robert <rjs2085@yahoo.com>: Dec 03 11:49AM -0800
yes or no?
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is unifarva an insurance agent?
robert <rjs2085@yahoo.com>: Dec 03 11:48AM -0800
yes or no?
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does unifarva need hip replacement surgery?
robert <rjs2085@yahoo.com>: Dec 03 11:48AM -0800
yes or no?
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does unifarva work with troubled teens?
robert <rjs2085@yahoo.com>: Dec 03 11:47AM -0800
yes or no?
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has unifarva ever had to have his head amputated?
robert <rjs2085@yahoo.com>: Dec 03 11:46AM -0800
yes or no?
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has unifarva heard of sammy hagar?
robert <rjs2085@yahoo.com>: Dec 03 11:45AM -0800
On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 2:39:49 PM UTC-5, The Brunei Bindlestiff wrote:
> On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 2:36:13 PM UTC-5, robert stickler wrote:
> > yes or no?
> 3 lock boxyou away.
what?
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does unifarva like the smell of ivory soap?
robert <rjs2085@yahoo.com>: Dec 03 11:45AM -0800
On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 2:40:28 PM UTC-5, The Brunei Bindlestiff wrote:
> On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-5, robert stickler wrote:
> > yes or no?
> yes
hell yeah!
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does robby have impetigo?
robert <rjs2085@yahoo.com>: Dec 03 11:44AM -0800
On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 2:42:34 PM UTC-5, The Brunei Bindlestiff wrote:
> > > you do have it!
> > hell no. how do you catch it?
> eww! you nasty boy!
do you catch it from kissing?
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does robby like the smell of irish spring soap?
robert <rjs2085@yahoo.com>: Dec 03 11:44AM -0800
On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 2:41:45 PM UTC-5, The Brunei Bindlestiff wrote:
> yes?
hell yeah!
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Update on Jimmy Snuka's Terminal Condition – Possibly Not Cancer Related
"Journalist?" <marshalfromtaos@gmail.com>: Dec 03 11:21AM -0800
http://411mania.com/wrestling/update-on-jimmy-snukas-terminal-condition-possibly-not-cancer-related/
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Updated Betting Odds For WWE TLC – Odds Shift in Title Match, More
"Journalist?" <marshalfromtaos@gmail.com>: Dec 03 11:18AM -0800
http://411mania.com/wrestling/updated-betting-odds-for-wwe-tlc-odds-shift-in-title-match-more/
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China lodges complaint with US over Trump's Taiwan phone call
"Journalist?" <marshalfromtaos@gmail.com>: Dec 03 11:07AM -0800
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/03/china-donald-trumps-taiwan-phone-call-complaint-us
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GOP gets its science news from Breitbart....because scientists are the DEVIL's WHORES...
"Journalist?" <marshalfromtaos@gmail.com>: Dec 03 10:33AM -0800
http://theslot.jezebel.com/well-here-we-are-1789575647
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