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CONGRATS TO SERENA WILLIAMS FOR HER 7TH WIMBLY TITLE!!! - 6 Updates
Where loo YouOn and Striptis work - 4 Updates
when tennis players get angry - 1 Update
trump wants to hit DNC speakers.... - 2 Updates
connors/mcenroe - 1 Update
OT: NeoCons are backing Hillary Clinton - 1 Update
Russian hackers - 3 Updates
Novak Djokovic - 3 Updates
Why Putin hates HRC? - 2 Updates
A weighty sentiment of war and anti-war: Does a visa for a Muslim justify seeing many more Muslims getting killed or displaced in their own country? Can we put the Constitution and its mention of liberty in today's "endless war for others" framework? - 1 Update
Sigourney Weaver still attractive + US elections - 1 Update
CONGRATS TO SERENA WILLIAMS FOR HER 7TH WIMBLY TITLE!!!
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jul 30 10:05PM -0400
>One of Obama's big failures has been worsening relations with Russia.
>There is no fundamental reason for the USA and Russia to be enemies, or
>in conflict all the time.
finally somebody else said it. i've been saying it for a long time.
peoples and countries are in conflict at various times for various
reasons, and those reasons change all the time. at various times we
were at war with the british, germans, japanese, you name our best
allies. we were allies with the chinese, russians.
IMO people are afraid trump will turn the world upside down by making
many potentially synergetic business deals with russia. imagine the
germans if the USA and russia suddely support each other and britain
came along for the ride? then italy?
>restoring Russian pride and some territory lost when the USSR collapsed?
>Sure. But he can be handled without constant conflict over little
>things. We should save our ire for the big things.
putin may not be the most trustable person in the world, but is
merkel? who is?
excellent post steven.
bob
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Jul 31 11:29AM +0300
On 31.7.2016 5:05, bob wrote:
>> There is no fundamental reason for the USA and Russia to be enemies, or
>> in conflict all the time.
> finally somebody else said it. i've been saying it for a long time.
Maybe you guys should start reading the papers. Or something.
The fact is that Putin considers the US as an enemy. The root of all evil.
What is the cause for that? His KGB training makes him likely bent that
way, but there's one reason above others: NATO enlargement. You can also
add the deployment of the missile shield into that package.
Other US national projects that haven't helped, is the Iraq war. These
are *all* GWB projects.
If you want to blame someone (other than Putin) for the worsening of the
relations, it's GWB. Obama is largely reaping the fruit. His
contribution to the mess is giving in, which for Putin is a sign of
weakness and encouragement.
[Stuff way too silly to touch]
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bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jul 31 05:02AM -0400
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 11:29:50 +0300, Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.com>
wrote:
>> finally somebody else said it. i've been saying it for a long time.
>Maybe you guys should start reading the papers. Or something.
>The fact is that Putin considers the US as an enemy. The root of all evil.
perhaps the US run by bush and obama. he doesn't seem to hate trump.
>relations, it's GWB. Obama is largely reaping the fruit. His
>contribution to the mess is giving in, which for Putin is a sign of
>weakness and encouragement.
and GWB is long gone. as will obama in a few months.
>[Stuff way too silly to touch]
no, too painful for you to touch. have america and russia been warring
peoples for centuries yrs? no.
bob
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Jul 31 12:35PM +0300
On 31.7.2016 12:02, bob wrote:
>> Maybe you guys should start reading the papers. Or something.
>> The fact is that Putin considers the US as an enemy. The root of all evil.
> perhaps the US run by bush and obama. he doesn't seem to hate trump.
We've already established that if the worsening of the relations can be
pinned on any one person at all, it can't be pinned on Obama. So, don't
start with that again.
Of course he doesn't seem to hate Trump. Trump is a dream come true for
him. But not for imagined altruistic reasons.
>> contribution to the mess is giving in, which for Putin is a sign of
>> weakness and encouragement.
> and GWB is long gone. as will obama in a few months.
So? The NATO and the missiles will remain. The Putin grievances. If, God
forbid, Trump is elected, he too will have to choose his stance WRT them.
What makes you think it will be pulling NATO and the missiles out?
>> [Stuff way too silly to touch]
> no, too painful for you to touch.
Stupidity is painful indeed.
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bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jul 31 05:51AM -0400
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:35:37 +0300, Pelle Svanslös <pelle@svans.com>
wrote:
>We've already established that if the worsening of the relations can be
>pinned on any one person at all, it can't be pinned on Obama. So, don't
>start with that again.
and obama will be gone in a few months too.
>>> weakness and encouragement.
>> and GWB is long gone. as will obama in a few months.
>So? The NATO
? :-)
> and the missiles will remain. The Putin grievances. If, God
>forbid, Trump is elected, he too will have to choose his stance WRT them.
>What makes you think it will be pulling NATO and the missiles out?
trump's already started to queston nato publicly. just saying, why
you're so worried about a friendlier us/russian relation? same reason
brexit makes you sick to your stomach?
>>> [Stuff way too silly to touch]
>> no, too painful for you to touch.
>Stupidity is painful indeed.
lol. you're not interested in usa's best interest, only your own.
bob
"Pelle Svanslös" <pelle@svans.com>: Jul 31 01:10PM +0300
On 31.7.2016 12:51, bob wrote:
>> forbid, Trump is elected, he too will have to choose his stance WRT them.
>> What makes you think it will be pulling NATO and the missiles out?
> trump's already started to queston nato publicly.
He's also promised to build a Great Wall. You don't have to dig in too
deep to know that he won't do anything about either.
Election rhetoric is election rhetoric. If rhetoric targeted at
imbeciles gets you to office, well, then it does.
just saying, why
>>> no, too painful for you to touch.
>> Stupidity is painful indeed.
> lol. you're not interested in usa's best interest, only your own.
That's what you think. The truth is, you shouldn't be thinking.
There is a larger picture. The US is the lone super power ATM. It's in
everyone's interests what this power stands for.
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Where loo YouOn and Striptis work
calimero377@gmx.de: Jul 31 01:44AM -0700
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/02/putin-kremlin-inside-russian-troll-house
Hey comrades, not your shift today or what?
Max
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jul 31 11:08AM +0200
> Hey comrades, not your shift today or what?
> Max
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/10/leading-german-journalist-a
dmits-cia-bribed-leaders-western-press.html
So why would you be surprised if Putin pays as well?
At least he is spending far less money.
He uses anonymous internet trolls for lies and trolling not mass
media.
As for the two us, I believe he's a Chinese so kinda dumb and
paranoid of you to link him with Putin. It only shows the fear
great Vlad has instilled in your ilk.
As for me, I like the truth, fun so I post.
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calimero377@gmx.de: Jul 31 02:38AM -0700
On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 11:30:03 AM UTC+2, *skriptis wrote:
> He uses anonymous internet trolls for lies and trolling not mass
> media.
> ...
Udo Ulfkotte never was an editor at the Frankfurter Allgemeine. He was just one of many reporters for them. And to call him "a leading German jounalist" is beyond ridiculous. He is a conspiracy nutter, supports Pegida and other right extremism causes.
And no, in no Western country you can find a troll house like those in Russia.
Max
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jul 31 05:48AM -0400
>> ...
>Udo Ulfkotte never was an editor at the Frankfurter Allgemeine. He was just one of many reporters for them. And to call him "a leading German jounalist" is beyond ridiculous. He is a conspiracy nutter, supports Pegida and other right extremism causes.
>And no, in no Western country you can find a troll house like those in Russia.
www.washingtonpost.com
bob
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when tennis players get angry
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jul 31 05:21AM -0400
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv_uJYbPRYM
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trump wants to hit DNC speakers....
calimero377@gmx.de: Jul 31 01:59AM -0700
On Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 10:54:35 PM UTC+2, bob wrote:
> imagine if trump won and hired bernie on his staff (serious question
> because, he owes *nothing* to the republican party), and the economy
> just by chance picked up after a decade?
The economy picking up under President Trump and advisor Sanders????
Are you nuts?
Who would still invest in the USA?
Max
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jul 31 05:15AM -0400
>The economy picking up under President Trump and advisor Sanders????
>Are you nuts?
>Who would still invest in the USA?
so invest with clinton/obama, people with 0 business experience
running the country or gw bush starting lingering wars. i'd think the
usa with a better mfg base and trillions not wasted on wars might be
more attractive. maybe not to a german.
bob
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connors/mcenroe
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jul 31 05:11AM -0400
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYYUtb4GUHE&list=PLOduVfmLKuKdyKAepdldfTFDaYOZ4Mhr-&index=7
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OT: NeoCons are backing Hillary Clinton
calimero377@gmx.de: Jul 31 02:02AM -0700
On Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 10:48:10 PM UTC+2, Shakes wrote:
> > Russia was and is the "evil empire". Primitive and dangerous.
> > Max
> Wow, you are certainly blinded by your bias.
I have been to Russia several times in the last 20 years.
What about you?
Max
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Russian hackers
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jul 30 09:53PM -0400
>> Corruption within a major political party is a very big deal. Saying it's time to "move on" is like
>Wasserman got sacked... aka the argument should be pretty much over.
>You're still arguing about it only because you're a Sanders fan.
i've heard rumors of bernie running independent now. watcha think the
effect will be on the election TT? :-)
>The real issue now is Russia & Trump.
bob
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jul 30 10:01PM -0700
On Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 6:53:42 PM UTC-7, bob wrote:
> >You're still arguing about it only because you're a Sanders fan.
> i've heard rumors of bernie running independent now. watcha think the
> effect will be on the election TT? :-)
He plans to return to the senate as an independent, not running as one. Missed his last chance to switch before the convention. Unlike '92, when Perot quit and managed to jump back in only because he ran as an independent in the first place. A bit ironic that Bill Clinton probably owes his presidency to Perot, and Hillary too by extension if she wins.
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jul 31 04:58AM -0400
On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 22:01:03 -0700 (PDT), Gracchus
>> i've heard rumors of bernie running independent now. watcha think the
>> effect will be on the election TT? :-)
>He plans to return to the senate as an independent, not running as one. Missed his last chance to switch before the convention.
my bad. well that's a start anyway who could blame him.
> Unlike '92, when Perot quit and managed to jump back in only because he ran as an independent in the first place. A bit ironic that Bill Clinton probably owes his presidency to Perot, and Hillary too by extension if she wins.
yes, i remember perot took more bush than clinton votes and slammed
bush repeatedly in the debates.
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Novak Djokovic
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>: Jul 31 05:00PM +1000
On 31/07/2016 5:04 AM, Court_1 wrote:
>> Links?
> A few weeks ago you had Djokovic winning the CYGS and surpassing Federer. ;)
Nope. I said the opportunity was there.
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Jul 31 01:51AM -0700
On Sunday, July 31, 2016 at 5:00:27 PM UTC+10, Whisper wrote:
> >> Links?
> > A few weeks ago you had Djokovic winning the CYGS and surpassing Federer. ;)
> Nope. I said the opportunity was there.
Get some decent math skill. If he had the opportunity to surpass Federer with 17 slam with another 5 slams why wouldn't he have better change of passing Nadal if he win this years USO just putting him 1 behind Nadal ?
bob <bob@nospam.net>: Jul 31 04:56AM -0400
On Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:00:24 +1000, Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com.au>
wrote:
>>> Links?
>> A few weeks ago you had Djokovic winning the CYGS and surpassing Federer. ;)
>Nope. I said the opportunity was there.
and djok still likely to win 3/4 slams for the 2nd straight year.
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Why Putin hates HRC?
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jul 31 09:29AM +0200
> Indeed, Putin is trying to recreate Soviet Union... he talked about it
> already during his KGB days - and his mind obviously hasn't changed
> since then...
Links please?
I mean the text where Putin says he'd like to recreate Soviet Union?
You just can't keep lying, can you?
Even a broken clock is right twice a day, but when it comes to
Russia you're always wrong.
So you're not being merely ignorant, you're rather a rabid hater.
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*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr>: Jul 31 09:15AM +0200
> http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/why-putin-hates-hillary-clinton-n617236
> Better get your heads out of your asses, Trumpettes.
Crap text full of stupid theories.
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A weighty sentiment of war and anti-war: Does a visa for a Muslim justify seeing many more Muslims getting killed or displaced in their own country? Can we put the Constitution and its mention of liberty in today's "endless war for others" framework?
acoustic@panix.com (lo yeeOn): Jul 31 12:27AM
Mother of slain soldier in the Iraq War said she told her son:
"Be safe,
and don't become hero for me,
just be my son,
come back as a son."
He came back as a hero for her, or so was the way she was comforted.
This mother's sentiment is probably widely shared by all mothers of
soldiers in war. It was poignantly reflected on in a conversation
between a soldier who faithfully served as a prison guard, Dzhurabaev,
and his prisoner of war, Ogarkov, in the 2015 film
"Two in the Steppe" or "The Road to Berlin"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjHTWMP_T1U
@54:49
In the middle of the night on the Steppe, with howling wind and
thunderstorm in the background. Ogarkov and Dzhurabaev were spending
the night behind a large haystack with the former sleeping while the
latter stoking a fire, with a rifle by his side.
"Ogarkov, Ogarkov. Can you write?"
"Write what?"
"Can you write a letter?"
"Where?"
"To the staff headquarters? Wait, we will be with you soon?"
"No, I need to write home, to my mother."
"What do you want to write?"
"Write that we're fighting the Germans."
"She knows that."
"From the war you need to write something heroic."
"What?"
"Heroic. Say, write that you're a convoy."
"A what?"
"A convoy"
"You are conveying me, you are fulfilling a very important order."
"No. They'll think it's bad that I'm serving in a prison, not the
front."
"That's because you need to write to your father, not mother."
"The father will understand."
"My father died. At the front. In '41."
[A long pause.]
"Write about the Steppe."
"What?"
"The Steppe here looks a lot like at home..."
"The Steppe... And the wind..."
[The mother would learn that the war would soon devour her son too.]
Shaun Smith's mother Patricia, Sergeant Bob O'Connor's sister Sarah,
Private Lee Ellis's mother Ronnie Barker, names that have appeared
recently in the news in connection with the Iraq and Libya Wars, have
all shared a mother's instinct, and more broadly that of a sister's,
which is exactly the feeling of Ghazala Khan who lost her son in one
of these sinister wars.
No sweet words or political pageantry can bring back a life.
So why was it sacrificed?
And for whom?
Iraq did not attack America, nor threatened it!
So Gazella's son died in vain, even if he might have saved other
soldiers lives.
It is because none of these American soldiers needed to be in Iraq and
exposed to danger in the first place.
They were exposed to danger, purely because of the very circumstance
of a war - a war that was launched on sinister lies and that did not
have to happen in the first place.
Neither was the war in Libya necessary.
America's liberty was not affected by Gaddafi or his government.
Neither did the Taliban attack America, nor threaten it.
Warmongers used 9/11 to justify the invasion and occupation of
Afghanistan. All American deaths, as tragic as any untimely death is,
were simply incidental to Washington's decision to invade and occupy a
sovereign country which didn't want us there.
The politicians who would welcome a few Muslims who seek residence
here but callously kill many times more Muslims in the Middle East and
in Central Asia are not doing anybody a service.
That's not what liberty is about.
I consider visas for Muslims that exist today a cheap bribe offered to
the Muslim community in exchange for its support of the endless "War
on Terror" that kills Mulsims in the Middle East and in Central Asia
with immunity.
Since George Bush initiated the "War on Terror", those in the
Philippines who are seeking independence from the government have been
labeled by the pro-west governments and western media as terrorists.
Even though they are freedom fighters by any definition, Washington
and its propaganda arm have invariably lumped their Islamic belief
with their activities as that of the terrorists.
Washington further made sure that the whole world falls in line by
saying if you're not with "us" then you're against "us", not a bit
subtle in threatening them with our bombs.
The "War on Terror" has been unmistakably anti-Muslim, too bad that
some Muslims are so short-sighted that they are willing to sacrifice
many more Muslims, particularly their lives, to just ensure that their
existence in the eyes of the authorities is protected.
To me, the right approach is not to wave the little blue book of the
Constitution in front of the camera and ask "have you read it?"
To me, it is rather that we have a policy that stops the wars in the
Middle East and other parts of the world now so that "terrorism" will
have no more reason to thrive. When that happens, people on this
planet can then freely mingle and resettle in a place of their own
choosing. Anything short of stopping our blood-gutted wars that kill
untold numbers of Muslims will simply not do!
And this is a relevant piece of information:
Jeremy Bash, who served as chief of staff for the Pentagon and the
CIA, said Mrs Clinton would both escalate the fight against the
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, and work to get Bashar
al-Assad, the Syrian president, "out of there".
"A Clinton administration will not shrink from making clear to the
world exactly what the Assad regime is," he said in an exclusive
interview with The Telegraph. "It is a murderous regime that
violates human rights; that has violated international law; used
chemical weapons against his own people; has killed hundreds of
thousands of people, including tens of thousands of children."
So Hillary is already itching for a war with Syria and a showdown with
Russia and the UK Telegraph has already screamed:
"Hillary Clinton will order a "full review" of the United States'
strategy on Syria as a "first key task" of her presidency,
resetting the policy to emphasise the "murderous" nature of the
Assad regime," foreign policy adviser with her campaign has said.
In light of who Hillary is, American voters will do well to not just
let some sound bites confuse their thinking. War over Syria will be
like the war over Iraq and Afghanistan or worse. It won't be a good
thing for anybody.
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Ghazala Khan was in tears as she spoke about her son during an
interview on MSNBC "The Last Words" on Friday. She said she told her
son, `be safe, and don't become hero for me, just be my son, come back
as a son.' He came back as a hero."
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Sigourney Weaver still attractive + US elections
Gracchus <gracchado@gmail.com>: Jul 30 05:18PM -0700
On Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 4:52:35 PM UTC-7, soccerfan777 wrote:
> On Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 3:41:35 PM UTC-5, calim...@gmx.de wrote:
> > You think Hillary's 33,000 deleted e-mails contained classified information???????
> Why would anyone delete 33000 emails? Something has to be fishy there.
I'm sure they were only normal e-mails. It's just a waste of space to clog up your hard drive with idle chitchat like, "Hey Deb, he just won another state! Can't you do something about this??"
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