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OV and JPP - 1 Update
Brice McCain - 1 Update
Fins transition tag OV - 1 Update
Flashback - 1 Update
Powering Down - 1 Update
Here's A Piece Sure To Cause Indigestion - 3 Updates
OT - RGIII Once Again The Talk Of The NFL - 2 Updates
Highest Paid Players - 3 Updates
OT; Dolphin FA history - 1 Update
OV and JPP
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Mar 02 05:53PM -0600
On 3/2/2016 5:26 PM, J Lunis wrote:
> It would be nice to get JPP at $8mm and Wake on 3rd down but I have no hope.
I have no idea how this all works out... it seems grim.
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Brice McCain
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Mar 03 07:57AM -0500
>> LeBeau's defense.
>> http://player.ps/30EV
> That should make the Titans a better team.
This one I don't understand. The two years prior to Miami, he was a top
rated slot CB. Queasy - the genius - put him on the boundary and he
struggled. I suspect you're right - this is another Dolphin cast off
who will shine on the next team.
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Fins transition tag OV
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Mar 02 06:16PM -0600
On 3/2/2016 6:05 PM, Drumrboy wrote:
> Yea, seriously... But that was the no brainer part. I'm curious to see what they do now. Sign and trade? Match? Let him walk for nothing? I really don't know what I'd do...
> This is one scenario I can't fault them for fucking up. The guy is an enigma. He's either going to make Tannebaum look really smart, or really, really stupid....
> Tough call. I just don't know....
Well, they can't afford him at $15 - $16 M. That's pretty easy.
The world expects some team will like OV enough to put him out of reach
for the Dolphins. In a sense, this decision was made last year when
they blew the vault open and paid Suh.
I can't help but question whther it would even be the right thing to do
to pay his price if they even could. His stats say he only got really
ferocious in the latter half of 2015. I believe it read something like
this: More sacks/hurries in the last 2/3rds of 2015 than in his
previous 2 years.
That proves nothing but it raises my doubt quotient.
The Dolphins are locked in to their situation. They should have
extended him in 2015, but then they hadn't yet seen the OV that they saw
when he was playing for free agency.
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Flashback
"Mike Wright" <mike.wright@patriots.com>: Mar 02 12:30PM +0100
In article <d5e4dfcf-cfec-4c9c-a786-
7f0f0808252d@googlegroups.com>
> So watch it - one of the few great moments of recent Dolphins' history.
> It will make you smile.
> I remember it well. A one handed interception.
You gonna like the one by his wife Miko even better.
http://s296.photobucket.com/user/jimmyshoe2/media/VID-20140524-
WA0028_zps17739984.mp4.html
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Powering Down
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Feb 29 04:14PM -0600
On 2/29/2016 1:33 PM, J Lunis wrote:
>>> On 2/29/2016 1:26 PM, euphemism@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>> If you like pre-free agency, pre-draft, pre-mini-season,
>>>> pre-pre-season power rankings, well, USA Today has you covered.
SNIP
> we've all seen a LOT of perennial All-Pro players go from All-Pro one
> year to average two years later. Matters not what the contract duration
> is.
I disagree... Brady had a tremendous season while having fewer tools
and a tattered OL. He got sacked like 39 times despite the ridiculous
release time that the NE scheme employs. I do not believe he was ever
more effective than he was in 2015. He has certainly had better support
in past years.
Any drop off in his physical performance is more than compensated for by
his experience and ability to know exactly what is coming.
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Here's A Piece Sure To Cause Indigestion
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Feb 27 09:09PM -0600
On 2/27/2016 4:29 PM, Deadmeat wrote:
SNIP
> Speaking of restructuring, looks like Wake won't.
If he won't they must part ways... Mando has a good piece up that
provides an excellent rationale..
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Feb 27 09:30AM -0500
> The last time they thought they could win now was when they signed Keith Jackson lol
OK, putting on my homer hat. Let's go back 12 months - Feb/Mar 15.
Most expert/analyst predictions were for Miami to finish 2nd in AFC-E
with 2-3 predicting a close fight with NE for 1st place. Some here were
predicting 9 wins. Those predictions weren't based on wishes and/or
reading the stars - they were based on perceived talent. Ross, 'baum,
and others thought Miami was in 'win now' mode (i.e., could make the
play-offs).
What experts DIDN'T see (but those on this ng did) was the anchor more
commonly known as 'Queasy' and his band of dysfunctional clowns.
Staying with Jennings/Mitchell/J Taylor when they were clearly inept.
Then came injuries. And all that WITH virgin OC/DC.
No, I'm not saying Miami was a SB quality team, but "everyone" saw the
talent (too many glossed over the 2-3 holes). There is still talent on
the team but the potential loss of some FAs will nick that. It isn't
unreasonable to say upgrading OGs/CB and MLB would put Miami back in
'win now' mode *IF* the HC is competent the the FA/draft picks work out.
Personally, I'm leaning pessimistic - I can't overcome the last
decade. BUT, dispassionate people can see the talent and know it didn't
equate to 6 wins.
Deadmeat <noone@home.com>: Feb 27 05:29PM -0500
On 2/26/2016 2:53 PM, euphemism wrote:
> the front office.
> But at the end of the day, would it surprise you if they made this move?
> Not one bit.
Speaking of restructuring, looks like Wake won't.
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OT - RGIII Once Again The Talk Of The NFL
"euphemism@mindspring.com" <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Mar 04 10:56AM -0800
By Mike Freeman , NFL National Lead Writer
The most discussed quarterback across the NFL right now isn't one of the players entering the draft or Colin Kaepernick or even Peyton Manning. The most discussed quarterback is a former star who shredded his knee and his relationship with two different coaching staffs.
He's an egomaniac who had one of the great rookie campaigns for a quarterback ever but has been unable to sustain anything close to that level of play. He's a player who has shown the ability to be intellectual and heady but whose smarts didn't help him become a good teammate. He's a player who has been called a savior and a cancer, a career rescuer and a career destroyer.
Despite all that we know about Robert Griffin III, according to interviews with a half-dozen front-office talent evaluators, he remains the most intriguing figure in the free-agent sweepstakes that begin this month. There are at least 10 teams giving Griffin a hard look, these sources say.
Maybe 15. Maybe more.
Teams feel they can remake Griffin off the field and transform him into a reliable pocket passer and leader on it. He's just 26 years old, as one team executive pointed out. There's still time for him to become a franchise quarterback, and right now, a team can get him for relatively nothing. It's expected that Washington will soon release him.
Robert Griffin III Career Stats
Season G GS W-L Cmp% Yds TD-INT Rating Rush Yds TD
2012 15 13 9-6 65.6 3,200 20-5 102.4 120 815 7
2013 15 13 3-10 60.1 3,203 16-12 82.2 86 489 0
2014 9 7 2-5 68.7 1,694 4-6 86.9 38 176 1
2015 DNP
Pro-Football-Reference.com
What I can tell you also is that some teams are privately accusing others of tampering with Griffin. This is my shocked face. Tampering is to football what logic is to Vulcans.
The team officials interviewed believe the most likely landing spot for Griffin is Los Angeles, Cleveland or Houston. Though, to be truthful, no one really knows. It's all guesswork.
The irony is there appears to be a huge market developing for a player who will soon be discarded by the organization that spent massive resources to get him.
The fact that teams are prepared to go all Mad Max to get Griffin is less about Griffin and more about the sorry state of quarterbacking in the NFL. The talent level at the position is extraordinarily top-heavy. The great QBs are countable on one hand, then there are a few good players, and the rest are on the dollar menu.
When you look at the free-agent quarterbacks this year, the options are staggering. The best unrestricted free-agent quarterbacks are Chase Daniel, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brock Osweiler. After that comes the law firm of Schaub, Whitehurst and Gradkowski.
That putridity, along with the belief that there are few bankable quarterbacks in this year's draft, is leading personnel men to take a harder look at Griffin than they otherwise would. It also explains why Sam Bradford got $26 million in guarantees for his two-year extension.
As Kenneth Arthur pointed out for Rolling Stone this week, Bradford has missed 34 percent of his starts because of various injuries, and his passer rating when he's healthy is a meager 81. But he gets that money and Griffin gets a Walking Dead type of rebirth because the NFL is full of dudes like Brian Gabbert and Blaine Hoyer. (Or is it Blaine Gabbert and Brian Hoyer?)
The NFL has become so offense-heavy and has put so much into the quarterback position that it's created a monster. There are only a small number of human beings on the planet who can play the position competently, let alone brilliantly, and you need one of them to keep up with the times.
So teams look at Griffin and think: Do I give a talented guy another shot or roll with Case Keenum?
The part of this that no one absolutely knows is what Griffin's mindset is like now. Has he learned from his time in Washington? To be clear, some of what happened there wasn't his fault. Both coaching staffs mismanaged him. This past season, at one point, Griffin was on the scout team, playing safety. That's just an unnecessary level of cruelty.
No, Griffin wasn't perfect, but neither was the Washington organization.
Now, he gets a fresh start. It won't take three first-round picks and a second-round pick--the price Washington paid to trade for the right to draft him--to get Griffin this time around. What will it take?
The race begins now.
"Mike Miller" <mmiller@aol.com>: Mar 05 11:50AM +0100
In article <00617dda-8f9b-4aaa-9b5e-
c3e361debaaa@googlegroups.com>
On 04 Mar 2016, "euphemism@mindspring.com"
<euphemism@mindspring.com>
posted some news:00617dda-8f9b-4aaa-9b5e-
c3e361debaaa@googlegroups.com:
> a second-round pick--the price Washington paid to trade for the right
> to draft him--to get Griffin this time around. What will it take?
> The race begins now.
Is Mike Freeman gay for RG3's dick or something?
Mismanaged? What a bunch of shit.
RG3 is dumber than a fucking pineapple. He can't read defenses
and he can't run away from anyone now. He is a problem waiting
to happen. Stay away from this walking disaster. Far away.
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Highest Paid Players
"euphemism@mindspring.com" <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Mar 04 10:35AM -0800
The NFL's highest-paid players, based on average dollars per year in new money, are all quarterbacks.
1. Ravens QB Joe Flacco: $22.1 million
2. Packers QB Aaron Rodgers: $22 million
3. Seahawks QB Russell Wilson: $21.9 million
4. Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger: $21.85 million
5. Giants QB Eli Manning: $21 million
6. Chargers QB Philip Rivers: $20,812,500
7. Panthers QB Cam Newton: $20.76 million
8. Falcons QB Matt Ryan: $20.75 million
9. Saints QB Drew Brees: $20 million
10. Redskins QB Kirk Cousins: $19.953 million#
# - Franchise tag
I know thee guys are all wonderful QB's, but it seems like a few of them ought to be giving some money back based on their 2015 results. How Flacco rates being #1 is a mystery to me.
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Mar 04 03:29PM -0800
I struggle with 'wonderful'
"euphemism@mindspring.com" <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Mar 04 09:40PM -0800
If that's your wife's name, I see no problem.
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OT; Dolphin FA history
Dan the Man <dan708@yahoo.com>: Mar 04 09:23AM -0800
On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 5:29:34 PM UTC-5, Drumrboy wrote:
> Ernest Wilford, Jake Grove).
> http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-miami-dolphins-10-worst-free-agents-of-alltime-20150310-photogallery.html
> Wow, I had forgotten about Gerbil!
I had already forgotten that Josh McCown was once part of the Dolphins' QB carousel.
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