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So Suh Me
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Mar 09 02:15PM -0500
For some reason I feel compelled to defend the Dolphins' signing of Suh.
It's not like any of us were allowed to offer an opinion on the team
signing this guy. This move is 100% on Ross, for better or worse.
Suh has been a non-issue for me in the past, though my opinion of him
has been essentially negative. If I have ever commented on him it was
undoubtedly something about one of his numerous dirty moves on the field.
It was a major surprise to hear that the Dolphins were pursuing him. My
initial sense was that it was a bullshit story. The Dolphins were not
supposed to be major players in the 2015 free agency game because they
were pinched up to the cap. Now, here they are signing the biggest name
in free agency and giving him a contract that puts him at the very top
of the NFL millionaires.
As far as I'm concerned this was a very risky decision and one which
could easily drag this team down based on injury and/or player attitude.
At the same time, making such a move shows a commitment by the team to
try to push this team back to a position they have not held in many
years. The Dolphins have not shown great finesse in dealing with high
risk, high maintenance players. This guy needs to be managed and
controlled or he could blow up in their face.
I will choose to judge Suh as a Dolphin. We all know that, if nothing
else, Joe Philbin isn't going to condone the type of over the top
nastiness that typifies how people think of Suh. I have no knowledge
how the head coaches that have run the show in Detroit dealt with Suh
and I will simply hope that the Dolphins staff will tell him to stay
within the rules and work to make that happen. My biggest doubt is
whether they have a coach with the sort of dominate personality that
could control this fellow.
If he continues to behave like a criminal, then I will look for the team
to be rid of him, regardless of the cost.
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Mar 09 04:20PM -0400
On 3/9/2015 3:15 PM, euphemism wrote:
> could control this fellow.
> If he continues to behave like a criminal, then I will look for the team
> to be rid of him, regardless of the cost.
I think Miami will overpay for Suh. It seems they offered a price so
ridiculous, no one would compete. Will Ross et al regret this? No one
knows.
I remember no stories about Suh being a problem in the locker room or in
the city of Detroit. Is he coachable? I don't know. Seems all his
problems have been on-field. I've addressed that elsewhere and won't
bore readers again. High maintenance? Again, I've seen no articles on
it. I just don't know.
I have to admit, if he stays healthy and eligible, he will be of
significant benefit to the D. Run D - better. No one should be
surprised if teams run to the side away from him but he'll help. He
should help the pass rush in two ways. One, by getting pressure up the
middle - a strategy totally absent last year. Two, by decreasing the
double-teams on Vernon and Wake. That certainly sounds enjoyable.
LBs should be cleaner. Time for QB to throw should decrease. All this
sounds good to me.
Realistically, getting rid of him may be a problem. If he sells LOTS of
tickets and trinkets, he much more secure. If he is something other
than the Suh of previous years, cutting him would be lethal. If he's a
cancer, the FO should know that already. I like the idea of signing
Suh. I'm just REAL afraid of the cost.
Drumrboy <drumrboy@aol.com>: Mar 09 01:58PM -0700
- show quoted text -
I think Miami will overpay for Suh. It seems they offered a price so
ridiculous, no one would compete. Will Ross et al regret this? No one
knows.
I remember no stories about Suh being a problem in the locker room or in
the city of Detroit. Is he coachable? I don't know. Seems all his
problems have been on-field. I've addressed that elsewhere and won't
bore readers again. High maintenance? Again, I've seen no articles on
it. I just don't know.
I have to admit, if he stays healthy and eligible, he will be of
significant benefit to the D. Run D - better. No one should be
surprised if teams run to the side away from him but he'll help. He
should help the pass rush in two ways. One, by getting pressure up the
middle - a strategy totally absent last year. Two, by decreasing the
double-teams on Vernon and Wake. That certainly sounds enjoyable.
LBs should be cleaner. Time for QB to throw should decrease. All this
sounds good to me.
Realistically, getting rid of him may be a problem. If he sells LOTS of
tickets and trinkets, he much more secure. If he is something other
than the Suh of previous years, cutting him would be lethal. If he's a
cancer, the FO should know that already. I like the idea of signing
Suh. I'm just REAL afraid of the cost.
I'm going on record as saying this is the best signing the Dolphins have had since Dan Marino.
He will make EVERYONE on defense better just like Marino did to the offense.
PS: To all the peeps worried about Suh's "character", remember why Marino was available when Shula picked. Bout fucking time they got somebody that plays with a passion and wants to win.
Sound familiar?
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Mar 09 04:35PM -0500
On 3/9/2015 3:58 PM, Drumrboy wrote:
> He will make EVERYONE on defense better just like Marino did to the offense.
> PS: To all the peeps worried about Suh's "character", remember why Marino was available when Shula picked. Bout fucking time they got somebody that plays with a passion and wants to win.
> Sound familiar?
Familiar is the problem. What's real familiar is the big deals going
down sideways.
I agree that this has the potential to be huge for Miami, too bad
there's not a better HC in place to exploit this high-risk move.
I am a fan of the Dolphins and want it to work. It is very hard to
imagine a positive could-be based on what recently has been.
Hope it works.
Hope it works.
Hope it works.
Hope it works.
Hope it works.
BAH <bah@bah.com>: Mar 09 06:09PM -0400
On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 14:15:48 -0500, euphemism
>Suh has been a non-issue for me in the past, though my opinion of him
>has been essentially negative. If I have ever commented on him it was
>undoubtedly something about one of his numerous dirty moves on the field.
But as Brian Burwell once said about the Pistons ... he may be a
lowdown, dirty junkyard dog, but he's now OUR lowdown, dirty junkyard
dog.
> At the same time, making such a move shows a commitment by the team to
>try to push this team back to a position they have not held in many
>years.
I'm concerned because of his position. Can D Tackle have that much
influence on a game/season? I hope so, but I'd be much more
comfortable if he was a DE than a DT. But I'm hopeful that Wake will
become a force if our opponents have to double on Suh.
>If he continues to behave like a criminal, then I will look for the team
>to be rid of him, regardless of the cost.
Only after our brain trust figures out a way of losing him and still
taking the cap hit.
BAH
Stu Gotts <ishkabibble99@hotmail.com>: Mar 09 03:19PM -0700
> could control this fellow.
> If he continues to behave like a criminal, then I will look for the team
> to be rid of him, regardless of the cost.
Like most non-Detroit fans, I'm sorta aware of some of his more egregious on-field incidents... but I could recall the specifics. So I went looking and found this article. Interesting stuff. I'll let everyone draw their own conclusions from it.
http://grantland.com/features/a-13-step-guide-trashing-ndamukong-suh-nfl-most-eloquent-incendiary-bad-guy/
How to Write a Hit Piece on Ndamukong Suh
Here are some of the "highlights":
the third preseason game of his rookie season, when Suh grabbed Browns quarterback Jake Delhomme's face mask, then seemed to twist his neck as if screwing the cap off a bottle. There was the forearm to the back of Jay Cutler's head, the Andy Dalton body slam, and, of course, the quote calling an injury to Matt Ryan "karma."
the Thanksgiving smash-and-stomp of Green Bay's Evan Dietrich-Smith. And then, the next Thanksgiving, his encore: a flailing kick to Matt Schaub's groin
an elbow to Arizona lineman Eric Winston's head
Suh's latest fine: $100,000, the largest for on-field behavior in league history, for a low block against the Vikings' John Sullivan
he had nine personal foul penalties in his first two years. Also the fact that he has lost $374,294 to fines and suspensions, followed by the fact that his fellow players have twice voted him "Dirtiest Player in the NFL."
he has only two personal foul penalties in the last two years
* * * *
Personally, I believe that's simply too much $ to invest in a single player/position. Unfortunately, this sounds like Ross is trying to get a "star" to promote... instead of actually building a legit contender.
Stu Gotts <ishkabibble99@hotmail.com>: Mar 09 03:21PM -0700
> could control this fellow.
> If he continues to behave like a criminal, then I will look for the team
> to be rid of him, regardless of the cost.
Like most non-Detroit fans, I'm sorta aware of some of his more egregious on-field incidents... but I couldn't recall the specifics. So I went looking and found this article. Interesting stuff. I'll let everyone draw their own conclusions from it.
http://grantland.com/features/a-13-step-guide-trashing-ndamukong-suh-nfl-most-eloquent-incendiary-bad-guy/
How to Write a Hit Piece on Ndamukong Suh
Here are some of the "highlights":
the third preseason game of his rookie season, when Suh grabbed Browns quarterback Jake Delhomme's face mask, then seemed to twist his neck as if screwing the cap off a bottle. There was the forearm to the back of Jay Cutler's head, the Andy Dalton body slam, and, of course, the quote calling an injury to Matt Ryan "karma."
the Thanksgiving smash-and-stomp of Green Bay's Evan Dietrich-Smith. And then, the next Thanksgiving, his encore: a flailing kick to Matt Schaub's groin
an elbow to Arizona lineman Eric Winston's head
Suh's latest fine: $100,000, the largest for on-field behavior in league history, for a low block against the Vikings' John Sullivan
he had nine personal foul penalties in his first two years. Also the fact that he has lost $374,294 to fines and suspensions, followed by the fact that his fellow players have twice voted him "Dirtiest Player in the NFL."
he has only two personal foul penalties in the last two years
* * * *
Personally, I believe that's simply too much $ to invest in a single player/position. Unfortunately, this sounds like Ross is trying to get a "star" to promote... instead of actually building a legit contender.
bob@bob.mail: Mar 09 07:32PM -0400
On Mon, 9 Mar 2015 15:21:17 -0700 (PDT), Stu Gotts
>he has only two personal foul penalties in the last two years
>* * * *
>Personally, I believe that's simply too much $ to invest in a single player/position. Unfortunately, this sounds like Ross is trying to get a "star" to promote... instead of actually building a legit contender.
On the plus side, we don't normally play on Thanksgiving or against
NFC North. Hopefully he makes Marcia very nervous.
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Mar 09 07:44PM -0400
On 3/9/2015 6:21 PM, Stu Gotts wrote:
> he has only two personal foul penalties in the last two years
Maturity? Hates the thoughts of losing big money? Whichever, shows he
can learn. Now he needs to shot for NO PFs in one year.
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Let's make this interesting
rt <rt@nowhere.com>: Mar 09 10:30AM -0700
Assuming we actually sign Donkey Kong, let's go on record (assuming
dude survives training camp without season ending injury or stroke)
with guesses as to when his first multiple game suspension for
malicious intent to injure occurs:
I'll start...
I figure it will take until November for Donkey Kong to realize how
hopeless playing for Philbin is, and probably would like to structure
an extended Thanksgiving holiday. I say he stomps the facemask of
whatever QB plays for whatever team we play the second week of November.
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Mar 09 02:51PM -0400
On 3/9/2015 1:30 PM, rt wrote:
> hopeless playing for Philbin is, and probably would like to structure an
> extended Thanksgiving holiday. I say he stomps the facemask of whatever
> QB plays for whatever team we play the second week of November.
Ah, the joy of speculation. My bet is not until regular season 2016.
Why? New team, for one. Change of scenery usually brings out the best
of troubled players. Also, only two of Suh's seasons have seen winning
records so he's not unaccustomed to losing and experiencing frustration.
For all the (justified) complaining we do here, there is a reasonable
argument Miami would have been a play-off team if Suh had been a
Dolphin, and that's WITHOUT any upgrades and WITH the injuries late in
the season. Points/gm. Last year Detroit averaged 22. Miami 25, with
a miserable OL. An upgrade to 'average' here and Suh's new team can
average 26 - something he has never seen. Finally, add in a (very)
little maturity. All that leads me to think Suh will avoid SOME
frustration and anger that heightens the likelihood of suspendable acts.
Wildcards? Queasy and the December slump. Either of these can change
my projection but I'm sticking to it.
bob@bob.mail: Mar 09 07:18PM -0400
>hopeless playing for Philbin is, and probably would like to structure
>an extended Thanksgiving holiday. I say he stomps the facemask of
>whatever QB plays for whatever team we play the second week of November.
He played for the Lions, what superbowl do you think they will ever
get close to. If we play the Pats the second week of November, I'm
all for it.
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Ndamukong Suh to sign with Fins
Dan the Man <dan708@yahoo.com>: Mar 09 09:26AM -0700
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 1:21:33 PM UTC-4, Rich wrote:
> This signing scares me in two ways.
> They are committing a hell of a lot of money to one player while others needs have to be addressed and then name Albert Haynesworth comes to mind after he signed a huge contract.
> It does make for one hell of a defensive line for Miami though.
I'm just disgusted with his character. If he signs on the dotted line, my 40+ years of loyalty to the aqua and coral will be in serious question.
"Drumrboy" <The_End@Anarchy.com>: Mar 09 12:31PM -0400
"Rich" wrote in message
news:963d55b5-5a91-4dcc-8188-736e15c4c1f3@googlegroups.com...
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12444126/ndamukong-suh-sign-6-year-114-million-deal-miami-dolphins
This signing scares me in two ways.
They are committing a hell of a lot of money to one player while others
needs have to be addressed and then name Albert Haynesworth comes to mind
after he signed a huge contract.
It does make for one hell of a defensive line for Miami though.
The only way that this makes ANY sense for Miami is that Suh's first dirty
play of the year is a vicious, devastating, after-the-whistle knee-twisting
hit in Brady that tears his ACL, MCL, etc. and knocks him out for the season
, , , maybe career. Probably Suh would get suspended for many weeks - maybe
even an entire season. But it would be a net win for Miami, and that is the
only way this makes any sense in helping the Dolphins win their division.
The Pats and Seahawks have demonstrated that in today's passing league,
besides a franchise QB the most important thing is a top notch secondary
that can cover receivers and make INTs. Seattle has the best secondary in
the NFL, and adding Revis was the key to the Pats finally getting back to
the top.
Suh cannot cover anyone.
VANDAL
"Drumrboy" <The_End@Anarchy.com>: Mar 09 12:34PM -0400
"Dan the Man" wrote in message
news:31613b72-adb3-40f4-acda-aa7023083c97@googlegroups.com...
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 1:21:33 PM UTC-4, Rich wrote:
> needs have to be addressed and then name Albert Haynesworth comes to mind
> after he signed a huge contract.
> It does make for one hell of a defensive line for Miami though.
I'm just disgusted with his character. If he signs on the dotted line, my
40+ years of loyalty to the aqua and coral will be in serious question.
I really respect that. I have HATED it when my team signed a POS and I was
supposed to cheer for him. No way. Whether it was a couple of guys the
Dolphins signed back in the JJ/Wanny years, or when the Redskins signed
Haynesworth.
VANDAL
bob@bob.mail: Mar 09 06:40PM -0400
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 19:35:02 -0500, euphemism
>> The problem I see is giving a 16 year old the keys to a Ferrari...
>If Coyle can't maintain e consistent and dominant defense with the
>talent he's going to have then he will be finished as a DC in the NFL.
Being finished should have already happened.
bob@bob.mail: Mar 09 07:08PM -0400
>I'm going on record right now. If this doesn't work out, I was
>skeptical all along. If it works amazingly well, I was an ealry
>advocate for Suh.
Just like last year, Albert was a great move until he got hurt.
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Tweet RE: Odrick
bob@bob.mail: Mar 09 07:04PM -0400
>Odrick is due to become a free agent officially at 4:00 p.m. ET on
>Tuesday. Unofficially, the expectation per multiple league sources is
>that he'll land with the Jaguars.
Except for the money, sucks for him.
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Not So Fast Guys - NFL looking into early free agency deals
L J Alibi <ljmaxx51@gmail.com>: Mar 09 02:49PM -0700
NFL looking into early free agency deals
The Associated Press - By By BARRY WILNER - AP Pro Football Writer
3 hours ago
NEW YORK (AP) -- The NFL is looking into whether some teams entered agreements with 2015 free agents before they were allowed to do so.
The league sent a memo to the 32 clubs reminding them not to reach agreement with or sign any of the 2015 free agents until Tuesday at 4 p.m. EDT. The memo noted a "reported number of agreements."
Among those are big-money deals for Ndamukong Suh with Miami, Jeremy Maclin with Kansas City, and Frank Gore and Byron Maxwell with Philadelphia.
"At this time, the league office is beginning investigations into a number of reported agreements with clubs," the memo said. "Violations will be dealt with accordingly."
Teams were given a three-day window beginning Saturday to meet with representatives of free agents. The league's business year begins Tuesday and players can be signed after 4 p.m. ET. But in the wake of many reported contract agreements, the NFL issued the warning.
During this negotiating period, a team is allowed to submit a written summary of the club's negotiating position to a certified agent. That can include a potential signing bonus; length of the contract; the amounts of the signing bonus and yearly salary. The team also can adjust its position when the agent makes a counter-offer.
The idea behind the three-day negotiating period is to allow conversations between more teams and player agents, and, of course, to gauge a player's value on the open market.
With the salary cap increasing by more than $10 million this year, and with several teams having carry-over money to spend, the competition for free agents has been intense.
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NE Will Not Pick Up Revis' $20M Option
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Mar 09 03:02PM -0500
So, the island is in the stream.
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Jags Sign Odrick
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Mar 09 02:01PM -0500
Per ESPN
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Mar 09 03:10PM -0400
On 3/9/2015 3:01 PM, euphemism wrote:
> Per ESPN
Starks staying or is the FO "all in" on AJ?
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Mar 09 02:17PM -0500
On 3/9/2015 2:10 PM, J Lunis wrote:
> On 3/9/2015 3:01 PM, euphemism wrote:
>> Per ESPN
> Starks staying or is the FO "all in" on AJ?
I have heard/read nothing new about Starks.
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Dolphins Finally Got Their Haynesworth
"Drumrboy" <The_End@Anarchy.com>: Mar 09 12:22PM -0400
"J Lunis" wrote in message news:mdk9h1$juq$1@dont-email.me...
On 3/9/2015 9:24 AM, Drumrboy wrote:
> They will be "rebuilding" (again) with a new coach and probably a new QB
> after this season.
> VANDAL
Given your experience with Haynesworth, your opinion is worth something
. . . to somebody.
First, to be fair, I'm not rabidly hoping for Suh for the reasons you
note > multiple needs. And I think you're right about Suh and the
expectation of selling tickets. So I'm not blindly wed to a position as
you are.
OTOH, Miami is much closer to being competitive than YOUR team.
Franchise QB? Pick almost any start. RTan beats out
RG-degraded-to-a-IV. Multiple needs? Yup. Poor coach? Yup.
Rebuilding? For how long? Owner? Yup, you have the experience to know
mediocrity (or worse) when you see it. And which team has a more
prominent rumor of a change at QB? Hint: The team mascot will be
changed in the near future. And, off-topic: Wasn't it your team that
spent multiple year drafts for a QB who has missed more games and rates
below RTan?
"Off-topic?" Your entire post was off-topic. This is the Dolphins NG, not
the Redskins'. If you want to post all of these things about the Redskin s
at their NG, please feel free. You will have a lot of folks agreeing with
you on a lot of what you say. Including yours truly.
VANDAL
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Mar 09 03:07PM -0400
On 3/9/2015 9:24 AM, Drumrboy wrote:
> They will be "rebuilding" (again) with a new coach and probably a new QB
> after this season.
> VANDAL
Worst free-agent signings in NFL history
Albert Haynesworth, Washington Redskins (2009)
Over the past decade and a half, no team had been more proactive in free
agency than the Redskins. The result was an expensive lesson that money
doesn't buy championships. Haynesworth is the gold standard of horrific
free-agent signings, and this pathetic play against the Philadelphia
Eagles on national television is his lasting legacy.
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap1000000154620/worst-freeagent-signings-in-nfl-history
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