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Top 25 salaries of NFL Receivers last year - 3 Updates
If I were Wallace... - 5 Updates
The Obvious Disconnect - 3 Updates
Rumors at NFL.com - 6 Updates
So I Gave My Bitch Some Knee Pads And Chapstick For Valentines Day..... - 2 Updates
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Wallace - 1 Update
Top 25 salaries of NFL Receivers last year
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Feb 26 11:48AM -0500
On 2/26/2015 11:29 AM, Drumrboy wrote:
> On Thursday, February 26, 2015 at 11:16:26 AM UTC-5, Drumrboy wrote:
> Look through that list and tell me where they are going to get Wallaces production. It's fucking ridiculous that Queasy is going to be allowed to run MORE talent out of town.
> Imagine what his production would have been if his QB wasn't a dink and dunk guy unable to hit water falling out of boat.
We still disagree on RTan's accuracy but, for now, let's set that aside.
First, just glancing at the list, it seems almost all of the top 10
(sans Wallace) are big, strong receivers who will fight for the ball.
That by itself affects 'accuracy.' But it also shows the receiver type
the NFL cherishes. And for good reason. A rare talent like Desean
Jackson is 14th. My point is Wallace is grossly overpaid and, as you
point out, offers limited production. Yes, he opens up the underneath
stuff but an average 4.3 guy can do that. IMO, salaries on average
don't lie. Wallace isn't the NFL's idea of an elite receiver.
Second, almost all top 10 receivers are alpha males. I see no need to
elaborate.
You have provided one more piece of evidence Ireland was an idiot. He
either overpaid for 'acorns' or overpaid for what he saw as a large team
need. Wallace is the most extreme evidence.
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Feb 26 12:02PM -0500
On 2/26/2015 11:54 AM, Drumrboy wrote:
>> need. Wallace is the most extreme evidence.
> Wallace got paid to stretch the field, pull the safety to him and score TD's. Where did he not do his job?
> You want to say he's overpaid? Fine. but look at that list again. There are probably 20 guys with worse numbers.
We don't really disagree. It isn't that he didn't do his job. It's
just someone else could have done the same job for less money. That's
not on Wallace. His agent negotiated a contract and Ireland went for
it. Wallace just did what all players do.
I'm not disagreeing with who is/isn't overpaid. I'm only pointing out
the TYPE of receiver all other NFL teams see as worth top money and type
of money paid to NON-alpha males. Wallace is neither. That doesn't mean
he isn't good nor does it mean there aren't some with worse stats. Just
an observation he isn't in the 'standard' when it comes to top receivers.
bob@bob.mail: Feb 26 07:47PM -0500
>You have provided one more piece of evidence Ireland was an idiot. He
>either overpaid for 'acorns' or overpaid for what he saw as a large team
>need. Wallace is the most extreme evidence.
From a value stand point, Queasy is more over paid than Wallace.
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If I were Wallace...
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Feb 26 11:33AM -0500
On 2/26/2015 10:29 AM, Drumrboy wrote:
> I'd agree to restructure my deal in exchange for a No Trade or Limited Trade clause.
> Everyone is happy! Well, except maybe Queasy Joe...
> Joey's head would explode having to explain why his #1 receiver is riding the bench.
There are so many variables here. Assuming Wallace wants to showcase
his talent and thinks Queasy is hindering that, a trade or cut isn't
REAL bad. The decision for Wallace is . . .
is the money most important? If it is, shut up and live with the
contract. My bet is Wallace won't shut up
If getting recognition is more important, renegotiate on the condition a
trade WILL be made or offer to negotiate with the new team.
Within those choices, options abound. First, renegotiating (reducing)
pay and staying in Miami is DOA. I see nothing in that for Wallace.
OTOH, off-set language helps his case with Miami. A cut and signing
with a different team doesn't hurt Wallace and should ease the cap hit
for Miami. (I see no trade without contract renegotiation and I have no
idea what Miami would get in return.) Trade for a draft pick? What's
that worth? Not a lot unless the team desperately needs a Wallace-type
and the salary is negotiable.
Pre-June or Post-June cut is a decision by Miami but it affects the
number of receiver-needy teams competing for Wallace's services.
That's just a few. I have no idea how this will play out. I'm
pessimistic on two counts. 1) I can't see Wallace staying for less
money and no one wants him back with the likelihood of locker room
turmoil. 2) every GM knows Miami wants to dump Wallace and, as long as
cutting him is a real option, no one will offer much in trade for
something they can get later for free.
Personally, I think Wallace wants out and particularly with Queasy as
HC, will see a No Trade clause as a deal killer. We'll see. For now,
I'm leaning toward Wallace being gone in '15.
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Feb 26 11:54AM -0500
On 2/26/2015 11:44 AM, Drumrboy wrote:
> That's my point. Why would I want to make it easier for Queasy to dump me after taking a pay cut?
> Fuck that. Wallace is not the bad guy here. He's under contract and if healthy is the #1 receiver on this team.
> Queasy needs to put his pride on a shelf and deal with players that want to WIN and want the ball instead of running them out of town because they dared point out the obvious.
Agreed. My only qualification is a number of players vented at Queasy
publicly last year but only Wallace took himself out of the game and
hurt his teammates. To that extent, he's ONE of the bad guys. But the
most prominent bad guy is Queasy. I can think of no strong personality
he has been able to manage. But to his defense, I can't think of
ANYTHING he can manage.
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Feb 26 12:39PM -0500
On 2/26/2015 12:14 PM, Drumrboy wrote:
> You don't know that Wallace took himself out. There are only two people that know the truth, Wallace and Philbin. Neither one has stated this as fact.
> This whole "quit on his teammates" is BS. Calling out Queasy's ineptness is what got him in this mess.
> Again, where are you going to get Wallaces production for $9 Million dollars (his cap hit next year)?
I'm going on indirect evidence. Reports teammates were angry he took
himself out. No guarantee - the writer's could be fabricating the
anger, but it's all I have. Here's one . . .
"After the incident against the Jets, NFL Network reporter, and former
Dolphins beat writer, Jeff Darlington tweeted, "Many Dolphins teammates
were very displeased with Wallace's actions today. Several tell me they
felt like he abandoned them when needed."
http://www.thephinsider.com/2015/2/26/8113557/dolphins-trade-rumors-mike-wallace
Getting his money's worth in production has a number of variables. Two
average or above OGs would help. Getting Albert back will help. Better
schemes would help. Not abandoning the run would help. Better
coordination between RTan and Wallace would help. A new HC would be a
BIG help.
Another way of looking at it, if I had $9mm free, could I spend it on
other players and get 10 TDs? I believe so but that's a matter of
opinion and no way to prove for or against. For now, Wallace is a
Dolphin playing under a legally negotiated contract deemed beneficial by
Miami at the time. I don't blame Wallace for that. It's Queasy's job,
if Wallace stays, to get his money's worth.
bob@bob.mail: Feb 26 07:30PM -0500
>most prominent bad guy is Queasy. I can think of no strong personality
>he has been able to manage. But to his defense, I can't think of
>ANYTHING he can manage.
A lot of bad decisions, he is very good at it.
bob@bob.mail: Feb 26 07:33PM -0500
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 09:14:37 -0800 (PST), Drumrboy <drumrboy@aol.com>
wrote:
>You don't know that Wallace took himself out. There are only two people that know the truth, Wallace and Philbin. Neither one has stated this as fact.
>This whole "quit on his teammates" is BS. Calling out Queasy's ineptness is what got him in this mess.
>Again, where are you going to get Wallaces production for $9 Million dollars (his cap hit next year)?
You won't and not just the passing game will suffer, it will affect
the running game too.
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The Obvious Disconnect
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Feb 28 10:55AM -0600
On 2/28/2015 12:21 AM, rt wrote:
> rt
I believe Donald inherited most of his money. Even then, he lost most
of it. His name allowed him to make a comeback. That said, I'd rather
he was the owner of the Dolphins than Ross.
bob@bob.mail: Feb 28 07:00PM -0500
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 17:17:37 -0600, euphemism
Don't worry, this is the year that Queasy coach's his ass off.
Drumrboy <drumrboy@aol.com>: Feb 28 04:08PM -0800
- show quoted text -
Don't worry, this is the year that Queasy coach's his ass off.
Ross will have to give him a break since there is no talent on the team...
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Rumors at NFL.com
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Feb 26 08:21AM -0500
On 2/25/2015 8:36 PM, Stoobz wrote:
>> http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000474176/article/mike-wallace-being-shopped-by-miami-dolphins
> If he could be traded to Jacksonville, why, that would be grande.
> Perhaps even Tampa ;)
Unfortunately, I doubt Tampa, Jax, Oakland, or any poor team with a
questionable QB would bite. Maybe a team 1-2 players away, but I can't
see many trade partners.
If reports of offset language are correct, it may be just as easy to cut
him. If a team signs him for $5mm, that's money saved on the salary cap.
OTOH, IF (and that's a large 'if') the OL is upgraded to average, maybe
Wallace will get more deep targets and he'll be happy again. But, given
what we know about Queasy, I doubt it.
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Feb 26 09:53AM -0500
On 2/26/2015 9:44 AM, CJ wrote:
> Show me a team whose salary cap numbers are ridiculously out-of-whack who did well in playoffs in 2014, and I'll admit I'm wrong :)
How do you define "ridiculously out-of-whack?"
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Feb 26 11:06AM -0500
On 2/26/2015 9:54 AM, Drumrboy wrote:
> Show me a team whose salary cap numbers are ridiculously out-of-whack who did well in playoffs in 2014, and I'll admit I'm wrong :)
> I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just pointing out that you can't keep running talent out of town, plugging the same holes year after year because your head coach doesn't like players that show heart and a will to win. Sooner or later you got to point the finger at yourself (Philbin). He's gone 7-9, 8-8 and 8-8 after throwing out 5-6 (soon to be 7) pro bowl players in his three years here.
> The guy is never going to win anything playing the mindless Zombies he wants on his team. He should have been tossed out the door with Ireland.
That's one of the variables in cap. While it is evident to everyone
Ireland couldn't manage his loose change, cap consequences were
significantly affected by Philbin and his dumping talent (cap hit). It
isn't reasonable to expect success when talent is dumped (with
consequent cap hit) and replaced with such players as Ellerbe, Naanee
and Colombo.
To be fair, this "plugging the same holes year after year" pre-dates
Queasy. FistPump and his predecessors had the same flaws.
And any ball boy on Miami's payroll could have taken the team to the
playoffs, thus deriving more more "value" from the money spent. Not
saying cap management isn't important but, like much of life, it is one
part.
bob@bob.mail: Feb 26 06:59PM -0500
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 05:33:51 -0800 (PST), Drumrboy <drumrboy@aol.com>
wrote:
>Fuck that. I wouldn't restructure either. Why would I make it easier for Joey to run me out of town like he does everyone else that saw Queasy for what he is, a clueless egomanic that rolls over and plays dead at the slightest confrontation.
>Let them Cut him or Trade him to somebody who wants a 10 TD reciever, it will be no problem replacing him. Look at how well Queasy replaced Brandon Marshall, Reggie Bush, Vonte Davis, Sean Smith, Anthony Fassano, Jake Long, Carlos Dansbury and Burnett...
>Just keep throwing out talent, yea, that's how you build a winner. Fucking ridiculous....
Exactly. The problem is if they let Walllace, Clay, or Odrick go they
currently don't have anyone on the roster talent wise to replace them.
bob@bob.mail: Feb 26 07:10PM -0500
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 05:55:03 -0800 (PST), CJ <cameron7@gmail.com>
wrote:
>Wallace $17,250,000 2014 salary cap hit @ 10 TDs
> http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/mike-wallace/
>Anyone who thinks the above is reasonable, justified, and sustainable is certifiably insane.
You have to have a number one threat to keep the D honest, other than
Wallace who would that be?
bob@bob.mail: Feb 26 07:12PM -0500
>Here's some more food for thought.
>Tom brady's salary cap hit in 2014: $14,800,000
> http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/tom-brady/
In NE it's about team, you won't find that in Miami.
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So I Gave My Bitch Some Knee Pads And Chapstick For Valentines Day.....
bucketlip55@gmail.com: Feb 28 10:01AM -0800
> ...and now the bitch is pissed??? WTF?????
> mr dude (I will never get women!!)
So Dude, you never said: how much did she eventually bring home?
CrackerJack
Go Fins!!!
Drumrboy <drumrboy@aol.com>: Feb 28 04:05PM -0800
<< (I will never get women!!) >>
Shocking.. In other news, the earth is round....
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Cutting off your nose to spite your face...
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Feb 26 02:39PM -0500
On 2/26/2015 2:08 PM, Drumrboy wrote:
> << Behind Wallace on the depth chart, Miami currently has Brian Hartline, Jarvis Landry, Brandon Gibson, Rishard Matthews, Matt Hazel, Tyler McDonald, and Michael Preston. Hartline and Gibson could both be salary cap casualties this year, leaving second-year player Jarvis Landry the top option and meaning the Dolphins would be looking for a lot of help at the position, either in free agency or in the Draft. >>
> Ummm, why don't they just keep the guy again?
> Anyone?
It isn't unreasonable to think Queasy and Lazor see him as disruptive
more than an asset. I disagree. We've seen the O without a deep threat
and it wasn't pretty. If, OTOH, the players are still angry and bitter,
that could spell disaster next time he starts fuming.
I'm leaning towards keeping him - the cap savings is quite small. But,
as I've said, I'm leaning towards him being gone in '15.
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Feb 26 03:57PM -0500
On 2/26/2015 2:49 PM, Drumrboy wrote:
>> I'm leaning towards keeping him - the cap savings is quite small. But,
>> as I've said, I'm leaning towards him being gone in '15.
> I hope Queasy cuts him and he winds up in the Pro Bowl playing for NE or Buffalo. Maybe THAT will wake Ross up.
I agree in general. I want him to go to an average team (7-9 to 9-7)
with an average QB, score 5-6 TDs on long balls and take the team to the
play-offs.
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Feb 26 04:07PM -0600
On 2/26/2015 1:08 PM, Drumrboy wrote:
> << Behind Wallace on the depth chart, Miami currently has Brian Hartline, Jarvis Landry, Brandon Gibson, Rishard Matthews, Matt Hazel, Tyler McDonald, and Michael Preston. Hartline and Gibson could both be salary cap casualties this year, leaving second-year player Jarvis Landry the top option and meaning the Dolphins would be looking for a lot of help at the position, either in free agency or in the Draft. >>
> Ummm, why don't they just keep the guy again?
> Anyone?
I believe I agree that they should keep him. What I do not know is
whether he really wants to stay and, if he doesn't how much of a pain in
the ass and multi-million dollar waste of a roster space he might become.
I know it's not in his best interest to pout and malinger, but we saw
him do just that last year. At least that is what is being reported. I
have no way to know any differently.
Regardless of what other people are saying, things got better for him
and the Dolphins last year. He may think he should be ahead of Dez,
Megatron or every other top-flight receiver in terms of touches and
praise - I think he's got to give it another season. Maybe it's too
late? His 2014 numbers are not too bad, considering how much people
dump on Tannehill.
I think that the Dolphins should:
Try hard to keep him, even if he doesn't take a cut or restructure.
Try hard to trade him out of the division.
Avoid just releasing him if at all possible.
I do not know that either of those two are realistic, but getting him
out of the division is in the team's best interest if they cannot
persuade themselves to keep him around.
These WR's are seemingly always a pain in the ass. Look at Dez Bryant.
The 'Boys love his production, but he's got continuing off-field
issues that could get him suspended for multiple games and as we've seen
these issues can explode in their face at any moment.
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Feb 26 04:16PM -0600
On 2/26/2015 1:49 PM, Drumrboy wrote:
>> as I've said, I'm leaning towards him being gone in '15.
> I hope Queasy cuts him and he winds up in the Pro Bowl playing for NE or Buffalo. Maybe THAT will wake Ross up.
> Now Tanabaum is piping in? I've had it with this team. Seriously. It's past fucking ridiculous.
Philbin can take the blame for being a sluggish and uninspiring coach.
He isn't really to blame for the situation with Wallace - not if we're
being told the truth about what happened.
It is more than fair to say the following:
Wallace was never worth what the Dolphins agreed to pay him.
Wallace is not handling himself all that well. He's unhappy... he's not
willing to work with team?
Tannehill was sufficiently accurate with regard to the longer throws
towards the end of the season: He got better.
Lazor and Philbin are part of the problem, but not anymore than Wallace
himself.
Is there any evidence that Wallace is trying to work this out with the
Dolphins or is it entirely about him getting out of Miami?
euphemism <euphemism@mindspring.com>: Feb 26 04:22PM -0600
On 2/26/2015 2:57 PM, J Lunis wrote:
> I agree in general. I want him to go to an average team (7-9 to 9-7)
> with an average QB, score 5-6 TDs on long balls and take the team to the
> play-offs.
I would like Wallace to be on the Dolphins with a good attitude or at
least a serious desire to keep his game up OR I would wish him to be out
of the division.
There has to be a way to find a team that Wallace would be happy to be
traded to if he's so down on Miami. Let him agree to redo his deal with
a trade to a specific team. His alternative is to be retained and
benched or be waived. At that point he'll have to do a new deal if he
wants to be signed.
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Wallace
J Lunis <lunis.j@gmail.com>: Feb 26 09:10AM -0500
Caution: Snips from 2 links. A little lengthy.
he Dolphins have some tough, financial decisions to make in the coming
days, and in an attempt to ease those some they're throwing the
salary-cap version of the Hail Mary pass involving Mike Wallace.
Surprise, surprise, they're shopping Wallace to other teams, according
to the NFL Network. General Manager Dennis Hickey would just be doing
due diligence to shop Brian Hartline, Dannell Ellerbee and Phillip
Wheeler, too.
All these players have unwieldy contracts the Dolphins would like to get
out from under. The easiest way would be if another team would trade for
them - meaning, if they'd assume the unwieldy contract for the crumb of
a bottom-feeding draft pick.
Wallace is due to count $12.1 million against the cap this season. For
now, that's $9.9 million against the cap if he's cut. That ain't
happening. If he's cut, it would be in mid-March when he can be
designated one of the two allowed pre-dated June 1 cuts. He'll cost $5.5
million in dead money under that scenario but have $6.9 million cap
savings. Similar accounting tricks can be done with Hartline, too.
Could the Dolphins get a playmaking receiver for $6.9 million? That's
what must be rattling their through executive offices. They won't find a
trade partner unless Wallace restructures his contract, which he
apparently isn't willing to do with the Dolphins (thus, the trade
talks). He isn't in the best of graces with the team after being benched
for the second half of the season finale against the Jets over the lack
of deep passes.
Asked about Wallace on 940-AM Wednesday morning, Dolphins president Mike
Tannenbaum said, "For now, Mike's under contract. We'll see where we go
from there."
Not exactly an endorsement.
Here's the thing: Wallace had a career-high-tying 10 touchdowns last
year. He's still valuable on the field. He still has the gear few in the
NFL can touch - and Ryan Tannehill finally began to use at the end of
last season (a little).
The contract is hefty this year, but can be managed. Next year? That's
another matter as it makes another jump to counting $13.7 million
against the cap. But that would give the Dolphins another year to shore
up their receiving corps.
As it is, they have plenty of holes this off-season without opening
another at No. 1 receiver. As bad as Wallace's contract is, he remains
the kind of playmaker this offense needs more of.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/dave-hyde-blog/sfl-hyde5-dolphins-shopping-wallace-thats-expected-but-20150226-story.html
DAVIE – Word has leaked out the Dolphins have been shopping wide
receiver Mike Wallace. That's according to Ian Rappaport of NFL Network.
The truth is the Dolphins don't know what to do with Wallace, who was
benched for the second half of the finale against the New York Jets
after an alleged dispute with team personnel about how he was being used.
I've stated previously the Dolphins need to keep Wallace.
I still believe that strongly for two reasons -- the Dolphins need to
retain talent, and they aren't likely to get fair trade value.
Wallace won't tear the team apart if he's in the lockerroom next season.
He might sulk, but it's the organization's job to convince their best
players they're looking toward brighter days.
The dinner between Wallace and general manager Dennis Hickey was a step
in the right direction. That's the management part.
Now it's time for the coaches (even if it's not Joe Philbin) and players
(it should be quarterback Ryan Tannehill) to do their part. Talk it out.
Maybe after talking, the Dolphins determine they can't co-exist with
Wallace. But they need to find a way to make it work.
The headache for the Dolphins is the Wallace situation is multi-pronged.
--The speedy Wallace is unhappy because he hasn't been able to show why
he's considered one of the NFL's best deep threats during his two
seasons with the Dolphins.
Tannehill doesn't throw the deep ball accurately or frequently. That's
led to frustration by Wallace, who signed a five-year, $60 million
contract before the 2013 season.
Curiously, Wallace has showed he's more than a one-trick pony while with
the Dolphins. He had a career-best 73 receptions in 2013, and tied a
career-best with 10 touchdown receptions in 2014.
But he's still unhappy with his role in the offense.
--Wallace's unhappiness has led to a perceived problem with Tannehill.
We don't know whether this is a real problem or something derived
through whispers during lockerroom conversations. I've heard the
whispers from multiple players.
--There's also a perception that Philbin doesn't deal well with players
who make waves, players such as Wallace.
The question is whether Wallace makes the Dolphins better on the field
or through a trade.
I think it's the former.
The Dolphins need to retain talent.
It's no surprise the Dolphins have been shopping Wallace. The surprise
would be if they could upgrade after his loss.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/dolphins-blog/sfl-perkins-dolphins-need-to-keep-mike-wallace-20150226-story.html
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