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OT: (See: OFF TOPIC): The next time you wingnuts rely on Fox News - 25 Updates
OT: (See: OFF TOPIC): The next time you wingnuts rely on Fox News
Moderate <nomail@nospam.com>: Jan 29 05:30AM -0600
> that Fox, contrary to all indications, is capable of shame. Rather, it
> is what the European response tells us about ourselves and our waning
> capacity for moral indignation with this sort of garbage.'
Obama said we could keep our insurance. He said he would lower
healthcare costs by $2,500 per family. He promised
transparency...
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BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net>: Jan 29 08:21AM -0600
On Thu, 29 Jan 2015 05:30:55 -0600 (CST), Moderate <nomail@nospam.com>
wrote:
>> is what the European response tells us about ourselves and our waning
>> capacity for moral indignation with this sort of garbage.'
>Obama said we could keep our insurance.
And? The BS about that being false was shown last year.
http://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/millions-lost-insurance/
>He said he would lower healthcare costs by $2,500 per family.
Getting closer, or haven't you been reading anything but FOX news?
Confirmed enrollees..... 9,702,368 as of 1/28/15
http://acasignups.net/
>He promised transparency...
Argumentative. Pick a side and get opposing views.
The bottom line is that only a lamebrain would compare politician's
hopes and campaign promises to the outright lies of FOX news.
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Jan 29 08:50AM -0600
BobbyK wrote:
> Getting closer, or haven't you been reading anything but FOX news?
> Confirmed enrollees..... 9,702,368 as of 1/28/15
> http://acasignups.net/
What exactly does sign ups have to do with cost? Obamacare has NOT
lowered costs one bit.
>> He promised transparency...
> Argumentative. Pick a side and get opposing views.
Even the majority of the lib media says this is the least transparent
administration ever.
> The bottom line is that only a lamebrain would compare politician's
> hopes and campaign promises to the outright lies of FOX news.
What lies would these be?
BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net>: Jan 29 09:20AM -0600
>> http://acasignups.net/
>What exactly does sign ups have to do with cost? Obamacare has NOT
>lowered costs one bit.
Of course numbers have to do with costs. The more insured, the
average costs change.
>> Argumentative. Pick a side and get opposing views.
>Even the majority of the lib media says this is the least transparent
>administration ever.
And you have that figure available?
>> The bottom line is that only a lamebrain would compare politician's
>> hopes and campaign promises to the outright lies of FOX news.
>What lies would these be?
Read the OP of this thread. I know that you don't like him but he
posted facts.
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Jan 29 10:20AM -0600
BobbyK wrote:
>> lowered costs one bit.
> Of course numbers have to do with costs. The more insured, the
> average costs change.
So it appears the more insured, the more it costs. CBO just upped the
cost for 10 years to almost 2 trillion. About double what they said it
would cost. Another Obama lie.
>> Even the majority of the lib media says this is the least transparent
>> administration ever.
> And you have that figure available?
Some examples from these far-right outlets.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73606.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/obama-press-freedom-cpj_n_4073037.html
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/the-obama-administrations-abject-failure-on-transparency/252387/
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2014/3/27/barack_obama_the_least_transparent_president
>> What lies would these be?
> Read the OP of this thread. I know that you don't like him but he
> posted facts.
Fucktard posted some liberal opinion article (as usual).
BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net>: Jan 29 10:34AM -0600
>>>>> Obama said we could keep our insurance.
>>>> And? The BS about that being false was shown last year.
>>>> http://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/millions-lost-insurance/
Crickets on this one.
>So it appears the more insured, the more it costs. CBO just upped the
>cost for 10 years to almost 2 trillion. About double what they said it
>would cost. Another Obama lie.
You throw the word "lie" out as if it was a definite. Haters hate.
Again, campaign hopes and promises aren't lies. Otherwise every
President and politician we've ever had are liars.
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/obama-press-freedom-cpj_n_4073037.html
>http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/02/the-obama-administrations-abject-failure-on-transparency/252387/
>http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2014/3/27/barack_obama_the_least_transparent_president
Can't deny that those.
>> Read the OP of this thread. I know that you don't like him but he
>> posted facts.
>Fucktard posted some liberal opinion article (as usual).
And you generally post ultra conservative articles. However, Fox id
apologize for some of their "errors".
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Jan 29 10:51AM -0600
BobbyK wrote:
> You throw the word "lie" out as if it was a definite. Haters hate.
> Again, campaign hopes and promises aren't lies. Otherwise every
> President and politician we've ever had are liars.
If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. L I E of the year.
BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net>: Jan 29 10:59AM -0600
>> Again, campaign hopes and promises aren't lies. Otherwise every
>> President and politician we've ever had are liars.
>If you like your plan, you can keep your plan. L I E of the year.
You didn't read the links I provided. Here's a quote from
http://www.factcheck.org/2014/04/millions-lost-insurance/
And this was last year.
Critics of the law now say millions lost their health insurance. But
that's misleading. Those individual market plans were discontinued,
but policyholders weren't denied coverage. And the question is, how
many millions of insured Americans had plans canceled, and how does
that compare with the millions of uninsured Americans who gained
coverage under the law.
There is evidence that far more have gained coverage than had their
policies canceled".
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Jan 29 11:05AM -0600
BobbyK wrote:
> coverage under the law.
> There is evidence that far more have gained coverage than had their
> policies canceled".
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Jan 29 11:10AM -0600
BobbyK wrote:
> coverage under the law.
> There is evidence that far more have gained coverage than had their
> policies canceled".
And another thing. The cancellations are far from over.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/ten_times_more_americans_than_first_estimated_will_lose_employerbased_health_insurance_under_obamacare_cbo.html
BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net>: Jan 29 11:17AM -0600
>> There is evidence that far more have gained coverage than had their
>> policies canceled".
>http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/
Look at the date.
BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net>: Jan 29 11:19AM -0600
>And another thing. The cancellations are far from over.
>http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/01/ten_times_more_americans_than_first_estimated_will_lose_employerbased_health_insurance_under_obamacare_cbo.html
You have to be kidding. Do you actually read and believe shit rags
like this? Check this below.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/American_Thinker
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Jan 29 11:29AM -0600
BobbyK wrote:
>>> policies canceled".
>> http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/
> Look at the date.
I know the date, what does that have to do with anything?
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Jan 29 11:33AM -0600
BobbyK wrote:
> You have to be kidding. Do you actually read and believe shit rags
> like this? Check this below.
> http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/American_Thinker
The link to the the CBO report is in there had you bothered to look. And
yet, your pal Baker posted a link to a shit rag and you claimed it as
fact, LOL!!!!!!!!
BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net>: Jan 29 11:45AM -0600
>>> http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/
>> Look at the date.
>I know the date, what does that have to do with anything?
That you would even ask that says it needs no response.
BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net>: Jan 29 11:46AM -0600
>The link to the the CBO report is in there had you bothered to look. And
>yet, your pal Baker posted a link to a shit rag and you claimed it as
>fact, LOL!!!!!!!!
It was a FACT that Fox apologized for it's "errors". Period.
It's a FACT that you use a shit rag for your purposes. Have you ever
seen a quote from me out of the Daily KOZ, MSNBC, or even Huffington?
Nope, but the far right wants to believe the crap that sites like the
American Thinker puts out whether it's true or not. Haters hate.
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Jan 29 12:12PM -0600
BobbyK wrote:
> seen a quote from me out of the Daily KOZ, MSNBC, or even Huffington?
> Nope, but the far right wants to believe the crap that sites like the
> American Thinker puts out whether it's true or not. Haters hate.
You rarely ever post links to back up your claims, just whine and
complain. You need to look in the mirror when you make your haters hate
quip.
BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net>: Jan 29 01:02PM -0600
>You rarely ever post links to back up your claims, just whine and
>complain. You need to look in the mirror when you make your haters hate
>quip.
No I don't. There's no hatred here. I didn't like our last
president's politics but know that he's a good person, just inept. The
vitriol that you post about Obama represents more than political
dislike.
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Jan 29 01:12PM -0600
BobbyK wrote:
> president's politics but know that he's a good person, just inept.
> The vitriol that you post about Obama represents more than political
> dislike.
Why don't you give me an example of this "vitriol". Obama is certainly
as inept as Bush was.
Don Kirkman <donsno2@charter.net>: Jan 29 10:43AM -0800
>So it appears the more insured, the more it costs. CBO just upped the
>cost for 10 years to almost 2 trillion. About double what they said it
>would cost. Another Obama lie.
"They" = "Obama"? Or are you saying CBO = Obama?
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Don Kirkman
donsno2@charter.net
Don Kirkman <donsno2@charter.net>: Jan 29 10:43AM -0800
>> There is evidence that far more have gained coverage than had their
>> policies canceled".
>http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/
Are you trying to refute a 2014 fastcheck.org
article with a 2013 politifact.com article?
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Don Kirkman
donsno2@charter.net
BobbyK <bknight@Conramp.net>: Jan 29 02:18PM -0600
>> The vitriol that you post about Obama represents more than political
>> dislike.
>Why don't you give me an example of this "vitriol".
I can't quote them, but you've said some very angry and personal
things relating to his person.
> Obama is certainly as inept as Bush was.
Not even close, and if you had an open mind that would never have been
said. I had Bush as a governor and a President and have met the man.
IMO he's flaky, unpolished and doesn't speak well. Obama is none of
those. You just don't like the man.
MNMikeW <mnmiikkew@aol.com>: Jan 29 02:53PM -0600
BobbyK wrote:
>> Why don't you give me an example of this "vitriol".
> I can't quote them, but you've said some very angry and personal
> things relating to his person.
And yet, you can't quote them.
> said. I had Bush as a governor and a President and have met the man.
> IMO he's flaky, unpolished and doesn't speak well. Obama is none of
> those. You just don't like the man.
Obama is a better speaker and that is about it. You certainly don't have
an open mind about Obama.
Moderate <nomail@nospam.com>: Jan 29 03:05PM -0600
> Argumentative. Pick a side and get opposing views.
> The bottom line is that only a lamebrain would compare politician's
> hopes and campaign promises to the outright lies of FOX news.
You would be better served not to say anything than make unrelated
arguments.
Obama's lie of the year was not a campaign promise. Neither was
the $2500 savings.
Your arbitrary opinion that some lies don't matter is reflective
of your posts.
Moderate <nomail@nospam.com>: Jan 29 03:28PM -0600
>>http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-like-your-health-care-plan-keep-it/
> Are you trying to refute a 2014 fastcheck.org
> article with a 2013 politifact.com article?
Fact check is massaging the truth. The plans were cancelled,
because they were not allowed under the new law.
We now know this was the intent of the law. Well those of us who
are paying attention and have been following Gruber know
this.
Ergo, people were not allowed the keep their insurance plans. The
President lied.
Fact check is not an unbiased source. This type of grey logic is
common in their reporting.
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