No. 1462:
How will the Holy Spirit be in eternity? On the throne with the Father and the Son, or in the hearts of believers? Scripture gives clear answer, this is not mysterious or incomprehensible as the Trinity claims!
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2017/01/no-1452-holy-spirit-is-neither-person.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2017/01/no-1453-when-he-stands-on-holy-spirit.html
The Holy Spirit is neither a person or power, but part of God himself, and a common spirit between God the Father and Jesus Christ!
Image of God the Father and Jesus is not just a spirit, yes, that too, but is a personality that surpasses us. Where the Spirit is a part of himself!
Is this with God, and his relationship with the Son and the Holy Spirit something mystical? Or is this very clear, concise and understandable?
Trinity makes this somewhat mysterious, the whole treenighstlære is a doctrine in from the Evil One. While what I contend, preach and teach, is from God and agrees with His Word!
How will the Holy Spirit be in heaven, and in the future?
Will we meet "him" as a person? Sit on the throne with the Father and Jesus, as many believe. Scripture is clear, very clear.
We will never, ever meet any person the Holy Spirit. Or he will sit on a throne or anything else. The Holy Spirit is the "God" in us, or Christ in us!
That makes us able to do God's will, and be like Jesus in this world. And be like Jesus in the world!
1 Cor. 15. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's, made alive at his coming; 24 then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death; 27 For he has put all things under his feet. But when he says that everything is subject to him, so it is clear that he is excepted who has subjugated him everything; 28 but when everything is subject to him, then shall the Son himself subjugate himself to him who put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
God may be all in all, in eternity. What is meant by this? That we will have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us, not only here on earth. But when we get a new body, and God will be all in all!
Ezekiel 36. 26 I will give you a new heart and a new spirit will I put within you, and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 My spirit will I put within you, and I will do that in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them.
It is by the Spirit of God we are a victorious Christian now, it's during the 1000 årsriket we are a victorious Christian. And it's the same in eternity long!
The Holy Spirit is omnipresent, now and forever!
Psalm 139. 1. To korlederen. By David. A hymn. Lord, you have searched me and you know -
2 you know whether I sit or stand,
in the long distance do you know my thoughts.
3 Whether I walk or lie, you see it,
you know all my ways.
4 Before I have a word on my tongue, Lord,
you know it fully.
5 behind and beset me,
you have laid your hand upon me.
6 It's a wonder I do not understand,
It is so loud that I can not comprehend it.
7 Where could I go from your breath,
where could I flee from your face?
8 Ladders I ascended into heaven, You are there;
I lie in Sheol, you are there.
9 If I sunrise wings
and strike me down where the sea ends,
10 then causes your hand me also there,
Your right hand holds me fast.
We all share in God and share in His Spirit. Notice the wording, which clearly shows that the Holy Spirit is a "substance" that can reproduce itself.
1 Jn. 3. 24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God and God in him. And he is in us, we know because he has given us his Spirit.
Stops here, the whole Trinity is a nonsense learn.
Here is an article I wrote a few years ago:
God is "to agree"!
Ap.gj.17. 29 Because we are God's family, we must not think that the divine being is like an image of gold or silver or stone, shaped by human design and skill.
This scripture is as far as I know the only thing that mentions the deity in the Bible. Who is it? And what testimony God gives himself about himself?
When beside this in Colossians Dispenser Letter 2. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily,
Having been personally a Christian for 30 years so I understand that very much with what we engages with is church policy and much else that has to bring us forward in the spirit realm. But this is also much else in life.
Remember when I was a little kid and played football with mates hour after hour was many times the finest time football kicking. Eventually, when one would drive it organized so everything was so streamlined and controlled.
But such is the development and it must simply accept.
So it is with the development of the "doctrine" of the deity which the Trinity is strongest, but Jesus alone doctrine also believe many of.
When we try to get an insight on this also historically, you will understand that this "dogma" has come to over time, we can not find the word trinity in the Bible only once. For many, this is shock to hear, but it is fact.
Much of today's Christianity is the result of several church meetings (an assembly of representatives from the church). The first was held in Nicaea in 325. After the divide between the Western Church and the Orthodox in 1054, it has not been possible to hold meetings where all Christendom has been collected.
Various Christian "society" (Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox etc.) Accepts the results of the various meetings, making their faith a little different from each other.
At such meetings, decisions of the Trinity, which gospels to include in the Bible, etc., Have been taken (unsure about consensus or majority decisions was the prevalent).Possible it was a good deal of lobbying and threats as well.
At the Council of Nicaea in 325, a solution that a "double agreement" with God and Jesus promoted. The Christian doctrine of the Trinity was developed first at the Synod of Constantinople in 381.
Trinity can be brought back to the ancient mythologies that existed long before Christianity. Eg. Egyptian. Osiris, Isis and Horus. Many of the elements of Christianity is derived from earlier religions, including in the process of introducing a new religion became part feasts, symbols and the like "adopted" to ease the transition for those not quite willing for a new religion.
It was apparently also an option to decide that the Trinity consisted of God, Jesus and the Virgin Mary. It struck the fort itself because it would be too controversial with a female member of the Trinity.
But what is it with the Trinity and Jesus only doctrine is wrong? Much!
Firstly to believe in a god who is either Trinitarian or shows itself in different ways, it was God who died on the cross. It does not teach the Bible, it was the human Jesus who died.
It is only the Father who is from everlasting son has gone out from him and got the same kind of glory in his preeksistens. It let him off for being you and me equal and died not as God but as a human being. Therefore, he called upon the cross out. Matt. 27. 45 From the sixth hour rested darkness over all the land until the ninth hour. 46 At the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" Which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
Furthermore, it is completely against Bible preparing to make the Holy Spirit a second god or an extra person in the Godhead.
The Holy Spirit is part of God as my and your spirit is a part of us.
This is where so many are wrong. But at the same time as Jesus after the resurrection in some form become part of God or deity. Jesus is a person next to the Father but it is not the Holy Spirit.
Let me suggest three passages where we see the Father and the Son together yet as two separate persons as the persons who saw them also perceived that way.
You can even read Joh. ope. 5 and Acts 7 when Stephen saw the Father and Jesus.
We read in Daniel 7 9 Moreover I saw thrones were set up, and the Ancient of days, took the seat. His clothes were white as snow and the hair of his head like clean wool. His throne was flaming hats, and its wheels were a flaming fire.
10 A stream of fire flowed and it went out in front of him. Thousand thousands ministered to him, ten thousand, yes, tens of thousands stood before him. The court was set and the books were opened. 11 As I looked at this, the animal was killed because the horn speaking great things. Body destroyed and thrown into the fire to burn. 12 The other animals were deprived of their sovereignty; Time and time was set for their lifetime. 13 I saw in the night visions, Behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man. He approached the Ancient of days and they brought him. 14 He received dominion, glory and kingdom; nations and tribes with different languages, all nations shall serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away; His kingdom never runs perish.
The Ancient of Days is the Father and the Son of man is Jesus. It is for me very clearly and obviously both based on the word of God and my experience of we are dealing with two people. This is what the apostle John also says in his 1st letter. And the first chapter. V. 3 That which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you may have fellowship with us; we have fellowship with the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
But what about the Holy Spirit? Firstly, this is a spirit that is Holy! Who is it reality to? God the Father himself, and after Jesus' resurrection and ascension, also himself.
Acts 2. 33 He was elevated to the right hand of God and received from the Father the Holy Spirit that was promised us, and poured it. This is what you see and hear.
What does it say about God? That he is the Spirit more seats.
Joh.e. 4 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. "
Therefore, we must not detach the Holy Spirit of God himself, much less make him a person.
We as believers have received something from God in our lives and hearts. It is the Holy Spirit and it is God himself who then dwells in our inner man, our spirit.
1. Joh.b. 4. 13 That we abide in him and he in us, we know because he has given us of his Spirit.
But this also says Jesus, the Holy Spirit will be sent. But it is he and the Father who dwells in us.
Joh.e. 14 21 Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And whoever loves me will be loved by my Father. I too will love him and manifest myself to him. "22 Judas, not the Iscariot, said to him:" Lord, what is it that you will reveal yourself to us and not to the world? "23 Jesus answered:
Whoever loves me will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me. 25 I have told you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you everything and remind you of everything I have told you.
We read several places in the word of God that it is the Father by his own Spirit who dwells in us both now and the same Spirit to be in us forever.
Efes. 4. 6 One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
1 Cor. 15. 28 And when so everything is subject to him shall the Son also himself in subjection to God who put all things under him; and God will be all in all.
God may be all in all here in time and in eternity long.
But is this so important? I think that both those who believe in Jesus only doctrine and the unbiblical doctrine of the Trinity can be saved. But I like to go straight on the road with him and always let his words and truth will be crucial.
Heb. 13 18 Pray for us! for we are persuaded that we have a good conscience, desiring in all things.
Why go and believe and defend a doctrine is wrong and unbiblical such teacher who Jesus alone and the Trinity?
Jesus was not God when he walked upon the earth, and he was not God from eternity with the Father.
Jesus has a beginning and are gone out from the Father, and he was 100% dependent on the Holy Spirit when he was on earth in 33 1 \ 2 years.
Acts 10. 38 namely, that Jesus of Nazareth was anointed by God with the Holy Spirit and power, and he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him.
There is a two agreements but a trinity in that Father and Son have a common spirit and power. It says right out that the Holy Spirit is power and not a person.
Related links:
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2016/12/no-1430-trinity-about-three-equal-gods.html
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2016/12/no-1429-for-when-god-made-promise-to.html
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