No. 1404:
Jan Hanvold on radio 107.7 in Oslo on 18 November: "I have marriage problems, and the blame for them even when I do not understand my wife!"
http://the-heavenly-blog.janchristensen.net/2016/11/no-1401-jan-kaare-hanvold-has-bluffed.html
Photo by Jan Hanvold awaiting an apology of Vebjørn Selbekk and all others who have criticized him, talk about being a psychopath and fun last!
Listened to Radio, local radio here in Oslo.
Life Visual radio where religious people are doing.
Radio Inter FM 107.7 Oslo says Jan Hanvold radio 107.7 in Oslo on 18 November:
"I have marriage problems, and the blame for them even when I do not understand my wife!"
Hanvold, a man with much force, often speak (and play both victim and great man of God) in interviews, in addition to the own channel.
He speak out freely, openly and "honest" about things that most people fail within its private sphere!
When Hanvold speak openly and freely until about absolutely everything! And we deal with this and consider this on the word of God. Slanders we Hanvold or bully him?
No, I would say, he has even added list and opening for this, not someone other than him!
This is from Dagbladet:
Result of my sinful life
Editor Jan Hanvold channel believes Scrivner has a point when he argues that sin can lead to disease.
- With sin think we miss the mark. When a smoker gets lung cancer is the result of his sin. For it is the smoke package that it is dangerous to smoke. When a narkomant couple have a child that is born with addiction and mental injuries, it is a result of their sin, says Hanvold.
He stressed that he himself also is among the sinners who have been particularly affected.
- I had to remove a kidney due to cancer three years ago. It was a result of my sinful life. My sin was wrong diet, all that I had run into my body during life, says Hanvold.
(End of quote).
I follow a bit on Jan Kaare Hanvold Facebook page.
It is strange, who is the great "liberator" with that in Norway are all subject to laws, rules and meaning control.
But no one is so clever and persevering as he removing ale unpleasant comments and everything that reveals who he really is.
Here there is a lady who writes very well, but unfortunately. One must be quick to get into her comments. When Hanvold removes her writing instantly. Lays out some of her and few others.
Laila Homes Thorsen
Sometimes I wonder if you've got your kids to write posts, and given the free development in the use of adjectives. Your posts are not appropriate best as satire on Christmas, not as pass on a well-grown man's Facebook page.
Hanvold must live in a different world than the rest of us. Have never experienced a man of his age who have used the word dictatorship as many times as he. Norway has not dictatorship. Only reason he alleges it is that in this country it is allowed to think differently than he, but he does not like. He suggests moving to North Korea, when he gets to experience what dictatorship really is. But Hanvold like well kjukkasen prevailing in the country?
For a HYPOCRISY you doing Hanvold! Alleges that Norway's dictatorship and lack of freedom of the press. Although block people son entering critical posts no longer be able TV Vision Norway's Facebook page.
Audun Fauske, I think you are a well-grown man should have a better vocabulary than you have. With his life experience, you should also be able to argue that you say, do not just throw out sarcastic comments. It does not suit people of your age. It's possible you've gone to school with Hanvold.
When I think that both gays and Muslims must be the most appropriate in the world. There is no having to endure proportionality and persecution than these groups.
As long day, Norway today and our country deuce their hands, and silent about Hanvold and his deception, God is going to use NRK and Ådnøy. What are you so afraid of day? I sent Aker Haug a message and he recommended to consult Ådnøy, but we have not heard anything from you. Monday I shared Ådnøy his presentation "Hokksund we have a problem" on TV Vision Norway AS's facebook page. Instead of the møtegå criticism, taking the blocking me! What kind of democracy is that, from one who accuses Norway of being a dictatorship and lack of press? How can Christian media handing responsibility to NRK to focus attention Hanvold business, which obviously can not withstand the light of day?
Day: Is so famously agreed with Ådnøy. Why do Hanvold yell and scream as much as he wants, but antithesis you will not drop to at all.
Hanvold and telemarketers have much in common. Talking you roll around, promise you this, that and the other, which of course they never fail to keep. And you criticize those, shotguns threats. Sellers threatens collection, Hanvold threatening hell and "God" anger.
Annemarie Rovik Now I understand why you religious Christians hate and persecute gays, lesbians, Muslims and other religions, they must of course be of envy. It could not be anything else. We can not expect us other religious who are only looking to criticize others as a born different. It must be Jante Law that prevails. Of course there is. No doubt.
Audun Fauske It is strange with Hanvold and his fans and followers of the religious movement. Shuns everything called constructive criticism. When groups of people are so shady, like I said, I wonder really what they have to hide. Those who have nothing to hide, tolerate criticism very well. So it is with great speakers, too. They always share out evalueringsark at the end of the semester. The bad lecturers do not.
Audun Fauske You must actually endure that A.Haaland say what she believes in an unbiased manner, without coming with sarcastic remarks. If you disagree with what she says, you will speak out on an adult manner. The way you argue on it defiant 5 year olds who are doing because they do not know better yet.
Those who spend money on football game, you know what they get back and get served what they pay for. Those who spend money on Hanvold, standing back empty. Besides shelves football fans a team, not a single human being who Hanvold, which can not provide the valtua for money.
No bullies Hanvold. People say just what they mean. And the day it is allowed to think differently than Hanvold. I know Hanvold not as democratic by themselves, and that he is the greatest of all bullies. Then you turn the issue on its head. Begin to respect that others have a different view than you. It's amazing childlike forcing others to have your opinions.
Annemarie Rovik No, what are the sacred, infallible and dutiful Hanvold regret? Hanvold sorry never their fault, he just blocks people who criticize him. It is simply childish. You and Hanvold fans only confirms madness of this man. It is as Jesus said: The Pharisees get recruited, they make 10 times worse than themselves. Jesus said a lot of sense.
Annemarie Rovik If you have nothing better to come by than it says to me that I hit the nail right on the head. Is not that right? And no, I'm not religious. I am a Christian and saved. There a reason I fight Pharisaism.
Annemarie Rovik think it's fun to read your comments. It is fascinating to see how a Pharisee Hanvold manages to shape the fans their; just as insufferable as he. It's no wonder people get distaste for Christianity.
Audun Fauske Hanvold must also bear to be contradicted, do not you think? How come then that Hanvold claims that Norway is a dictatorship, because some do not share his opinions, and alleges that there is no press freedom in the country, AT he both on its own facebook page and TV Vision Norway AS's website blocking several that have different opinions than he?
And how can it be that you and their congregations traps do not tackle their opponents who are not seduced and deceived by Hanvold? Is not it quite intolerant, do you think?
Edvart Kristian Askjer Ha haha, it was today. Why should people read "god" to give money to him, when he flout make the "god" says.
Sigmund Ådnøy
Hello A.A. Sæle. You should not come here and complain. You were not mocked with the documentary, you were interviewed and made an OK figure, your husband did talk a bit and Hanvold get a chance to explain. The latter has done what he has done, and good deeds can not ransom him from critical elucidation of crimes.
You are CFO of Norway Today, probably knows little of each if certain economic antics Hanvold made.
You of all people ought to do better than to defend men who call the media for _korsfestelse_. Consider saying something like ... It's an insult to common sense, the basic media literacy _og_ against Jesus Christ his cross!
Atle Mork Bednarz · Senior manager at Forever Living Products Scandinavia AB
Ærligt spoken - there is none of you who actually read what is said? Hanvold sitting both the purse strings and as recipient of big money privately from the same sack.
Christian Norway collects money for him to engage in Christian television, and we see that he has these positions on both sides of the table.
Does anyone think that he does not use this to enrich themselves? Hanvold are already earners and in addition the money he manages to transfer to itself private under cover of rents etc. How naive is it possible to be?
Stops here, and put out an article I wrote several years ago:
Nr. 518:
The cardinal sin of Pastor Jan Hanvold that he is himself guilty of adultery and two are "married" for the third time!
Hey!
You write a lot about Vision Norway and Pastor Jan Hanvold. But you write sometimes so much that it is the cardinal sin of Pastor Jan Hanvold that he is even guilty of adultery and two are "married" for the third time, it will be gone. Then everything else he does, preaches and what it had to be also be wrong. Otherwise, stand in brotherhood and God's blessing upon you and yours. If you do not agree with what I write?
Agnar P
What Hanvold have said on Radio 107.7 in Oslo several times is that you write that he himself is to blame for his two adultery and he could not and would not live solitary word of God says. Is totally agree with you. He will be supported out of the church scripture says and left to Satan so that he shall if possible could go itself! Picture that Satan is behind Hanvold and to which he belongs and serve by virtue of their sinful life and hideous theology. And those who in some way are with him to share in his sin and come in ledertog with demons to a greater or lesser extent. So serious is this, Hanvold and Vision Norway is like a malignant tumor that makes greater and greater damage for which it is spreading, and continue living without being removed
Jan and Inger Hanvold do not live as married by the word of God, but living together. It is living in adultery, it does nothing to "confess" their sins no one repents 180 degrees. It is to repent giving and grants us forgiveness of sins!
I remember that there were those who said that Hanvold was "innocent" and therefore he can remarry. But here is one that also says that even something we all know he's guilty of two adultery. What? Since liver both he and his "new" wife of adultery when she - tournaments - is married to a divorced. They both sin to death and puts itself without passing the grace of God. And they will drag others along in their wild helpful way to do the same and that is good for them and their work!
The eyes of Inger looks demonic and unhappy, as if she is on something. What she "goes" is Satan intoxication scripture says why do they also His will.
2 Timothy 2:26 and wake up from his wine in the devil's snare, having been captured by him to do his will. 1 Timothy 5:15 For some have already alienated by Satan.
It's true what you write Agnar that here it is a cardinal sin that makes everything else is also wrong. Whether it is "right" preaching assistance or television broadcasts. Scripture teaches the same:
1 Cor. 13th 1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give to feed the poor all that I possess, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
Dear Agnar and the rest of you who are reading this.
It is quite right that you write Agnar, Hanvold main sin is that he is living in adultery. Is re-married for the third time as a Christian and have guilt even in its two adultery after what he said in public!
It does nothing to engage in relief work, TV work, preaching, Bible and what it had to be if you live in blatant adultery and sin by script - the New Testament.
Sorry that is not my focus has always been there. At Hanvold can never do anything right with God and man. It's so clear in God's word in 1 Cor. 13th (Freely translated) 1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have re-married as a believer, I am become sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have re-married as a Christian, I am nothing. 3 And if I give to feed the poor all that I possess, and though I give my body to be burned, but do not live with first and rightly wife, it profits me nothing. (Freely translated is in line with scripture).
I think of my own life Agnar, I have lived opposite one Hanvold. But there are quite many who write to me that I should go in myself etc. I really think it is to miss. It is Hanvold and the living in sin who must themselves first and foremost, not us.
What does God's word on divorce and remarriage of believers? Want to bring a Chronicle of the day 06/06/01 by Dag Rune Lid
Cohabitation, Divorce and Remarriage in the Bible light
Divorce statistics show that there are a total of 10,000 couples who are divorced in the past year in Norway. There is an unimaginable number and it is painful to think of all the trouble this causes for many of those involved - especially the children. It appears that one of the devil's cunning attacks this past time is to destroy the homes, thereby destroying the cells due to the structure of society. The result is that society disintegrates.
The devil knows how dangerous a Christian home is. They can be as small beacon in a dark world, so these now attacked from all sides and it feels too much trouble in this area within the Christian people. Now we read in the media that "It's like the plug has come loose in Christian contexts, it's been okay for Christians stand." And in speaking of cohabitation so it becomes easy featured in round formulations as not to offend anyone. But that does not speak the Bible, and we need as a Christian people to stop up.
The older ministers talked about the people who are preaching is. When the shepherds can no longer say what the Bible speaks manifested, then we also experience the Bible like a sore that one should also reap. When the Bible speaks of the reason that we are now experiencing in our people as God speaks to his people and said: "You are the salt of the earth! But if the salt lose its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men. "(Matthew 5:13)
A true Christian can not compromise on the Bible, then it will also be on a collision course with who one day will judge the living and the dead. The Lord Jesus is one with His Word and He is yesterday and today the same. The question then becomes important for those who intend to heaven becomes: What word of God says about these topics?
Cohabitation - marriage
Today, cohabitation is widely accepted in the people - from the top of the social ladder and placed in the "Christian" series, but the Bible cohabitation as adultery and says that those who live like shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9, 7:2 and 1 Thessalonians 4:2-5.)
God wanted man well and instituted the lifelong marriage frame about the love between man and woman. (Mark 10:7 and Ephesians 5:31) The importance of this is reflected by the fact that the Lord did this in the 6th commandment that says "Thou shalt not commit adultery," or it can also be translated: "Thou shalt not commit adultery."
There are some basic principles that runs through everything that the Bible speaks of marriage. There are things that are immutable, they belong to the order of creation. God emphasizes this when he says in 1 M 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh."
Jesus also refers to this when he speaks of marriage in Food. 19:3 ff. The spouses shall be one flesh and jointly share the joys and sorrows that this entails.
The Bible puts marriage into a social and legal context. In the word of 1M 2:24 says that "man shall leave his father and mother." This means that he is from a legal and social context and into another, where it is clear to everyone that these two by marriage has formed a new unit that will last a lifetime.
Based on the word of God will not help out a legally binding confirmation that marriage is entered into. The Bible has no formula for how a marriage shall be entered into. Society's plans for marriage is valid, if they do not violate God's word. It is important to emphasize is that marriage is a legal change of life-long relationship status made in full transparency and confirmed by the couple, their parents and the authorities. For a Christian, it is natural that marriage also entered into the word of God and prayer. A cohabitation lacks any biblical grounds. It is based on subjective feelings and private decisions. Cohabitation is a lack of willingness to make a decision of lifelong character and a desire to live together sexually without taking on the obligation of the Bible relates to such unions.
Divorce
The Bible says that divorce is against God's will. Jesus says in Matthew 19:4-6, "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall be one flesh? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate. "See also Mark 10:6-9, Luke 4:18 p.m., 1 Corinthians 7:10-11.
The New Testament has two specific exceptions where divorce is not a sin. The one exception is found in Matthew 5:32 "But I say to you, whoever divorces his wife for any reason other than adultery is causing her to commit adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. »The second exception mentioned in 1 Corinthians 7:12-16. You have got an unbelieving spouse who demand a divorce if the other does not want to enter the Christian faith. Other exceptions are not mentioned in the NT.
Remarriage
The Bible also speaks clearly in this case. In Luke 4:18 p.m. says, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another, commits adultery. And whoever marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery. "Jesus' words in Mark 10:11-12 is not to be misunderstood:" Whoever divorces his wife and marries another, guilty of adultery against her. And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery. "
Paul writes as clearly in 1 Corinthians 7:10-11: "And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord: A wife must not separate from her husband. But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. "
We note that Paul refers to a commandment from the Lord. It is given only two options for the divorced wife: To remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. The theory that the innocent party may remarry after a divorce based on Matthew 19:9 where Jesus says, "But I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another , committeth adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery. "
From this it is believed to have coverage for a man who is separated from his wife because she has committed adultery can remarry. But such an interpretation violates the parallel Bible verses cited above. True biblical interpretation has always been the guiding star that the clear words must illuminate the less clear, and in this case it is more clear verses that go against remarriage.
Train up a child
The Bible says in Words 22:6: "Train up a child in the way he should go: So he does not shy from it when he is old. "Scripture emphasizes that it is important to teach the young. We believe that our time is particularly important in this context, when the concrete situations arise with their own children, the family and between friends, it becomes far more difficult to take this up if not before been described.
How society has become de-Christianized during the last 20-30 years, many have run up in very difficult situations humanly and requires the love, care and confidence in the counselor who will try to guide you the word of God. One will certainly experience the need for the help that the Bible assigns in James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God - for God giveth to all men liberally and without reproach - and he will get it."
Also in these areas of life is the reparation and forgiveness to get to the turn and recognize sin as sin. God says so nice in Isaiah 1:18-19: "Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow, though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."
But forgiveness and grace can never be used as a patch on syndesår without settlement and repentance from sin. Today we experience the grace used to, but it is not biblical tale. That is what the ancients called to "sin of grace". No, let us listen to the Bible speak and live the way God intended for His people. There is a difference between falling into sin and for life contrary to God's word. When we live in sin!
And do not forget that God wants you only the best, "I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord. Thoughts of peace and not of evil. I'll give you a future and a hope. "(Jer. 29:11) The best thing for any human being to organize their lives according to God's will and commandments, and let the Word judge sin as sin. Whoever does the will experience the same as David - "And you took away my sins." (Psalm 32:5)
Final comment:
Agnar and the rest of you who have read this article, I hope there have been with you what I would have said. At Hanvold is by writing a person to be supported out of the church and the Christian community. The scripture speaks of. Why? Because he has not repented of his sin. It helps little to confess his sin, as long as one does not repent from it.
1 Corinthians 5 1 On the whole, it sounds about fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even mentioned among the Gentiles: that is joined to his father's wife. 2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from you. 3 For I, for my part, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, field the judgment of those who have done this, 4 that he shall our Lord Jesus, giving and my spirit together in our Lord Jesus' power, 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the Lord Jesus. 6 It is not handsome that I boast of you off. Know ye not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened for our passover is sacrificed for us: Christ. 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with malice and wickedness; but with purity and truth unleavened bread! 9 I wrote to you in my letter that I should not have intercourse with fornicators - 10 I did not mean to ordinary fornicators of this world or the greed and robbers, or idolaters, or had ye go out of the world: 11 But now I have written to you, was that I should not have intercourse with any man that is called a brother and a fornicator, or covetous person or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or robber, so I do not even eat with him. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge only those who are within? 13 But those who are outside, God judges. Put away the wicked man from among yourselves
What is this? Yes, when a living as Hanvold making or other obvious sins, he will be denied access to the church. Do not have an opportunity to be part of the Christian community, and not take part in the sacrament. For him to be able to go in themselves and not infect the Christian community. This is the way the Bible and the New Testament teachings even though the opposite is practiced and enforced today, so this is what God's word teaches!
Taking finally an article by Jan Johansson on church discipline:
Assembly Discipline or church discipline - or as it is commonly called earlier church discipline - it is quite silent about today. In many quarters it is hardly practiced either. And it is a serious matter. Many believe enough - with a hint of truth - that it belongs to the past of the Christian Church's history, a judicial and loveless age. Like everything else has almost certainly also forsamlingstukten been abused and thus caused great damage. The greater the blessing, the bigger the curse when something is misused.
But just applied the assembly instruction a priceless blessing. Therefore, it should be about to do for everyone it again is practiced where it is not now the case.
But here we hasten slowly. No human being is in itself capable of exercising assembly instruction. Made it with such a basis, it will mostly cause harm. It can either be by unloving judge ill or by following the so-called "Christian" opinion and let people continue to live in sin. Therefore we should be cautious about trying to organize forward assembly instruction. It can not organize, but emerges in which the spiritual life is fresh. For real assembly instruction is nothing but spiritual guidance from beginning to end. Therefore, we all need to turn to our "souls shepherd and overseer" (1 Peter 2.25) that he can make our own mind. How can we awakened to care for the souls of our brothers and sisters, and be filled with Christ's love, wisdom and zeal. This is required for forsamlingstukten might work. Furthermore, we think that the assembly instruction causes pain. It's not just the false, where one goes up in adjudicating human power, but also the real, where people led by the Holy Spirit to work through to try to show the way it has come on the wrong track. Nothing good is born without pain. It applies to the federation as well as for the flocks.
But when this painful work is carried out with the love of Christ as the driving force, is the spiritual brother band to be strengthened. Nowhere are they as strong as where the wires to the suffering and sacrificial love are interleaved.
Assembly Discipline in practice
We begin by reading in 1 Corinthians 5.1 to 8: "On the whole, it sounds about fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even named among the Gentiles: that a man living with his father's wife. And ye are puffed up! Ought you not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you that I probably absent in body but present in spirit, have already - as if I was with you - concerning him who has done this. In our Lord Jesus, and you shall gather my spirit in our Lord Jesus' power, that he hath sinned shall be delivered unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the Lord Jesus. It fits badly that you commend you! Know ye not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For our passover is sacrificed for Christ. So let's keep feast, not with old leaven, not with evil and the load sourdough, but with sincerity and truth unleavened bread! " We also need to include a few words from Matt 18.15 to 18: "But if your brother sins against you, go and tell him right, he and you alone. Hear him on you, you have won your brother. But he is not, so take with you one or two more, that in any word may be established by two or three witnesses. But he will not listen to them, tell it to the church. hear he nor the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector! Verily I say unto you: Everything you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. "
A double aim
Assembly Discipline has a double purpose. First and foremost, it's time to save the individual who is caught in sin yarn, "that his spirit may be saved in the Lord Jesus." But it also applies to preserve the assembly clean, "Purge out therefore the old leaven." On the way to discipline become revival warning to the others in the meeting.
It is important that both sides are included. If the main driving force and the purpose is to preserve the meeting, missing the most important one - the care of the individual soul. Instead, they align themselves to save what is left of the assembly. But what does being in a "clean" assembly in the absence of any real spiritual guidance there? Tax collectors and sinners will hardly find their spiritual home in such meetings. But Jesus is the welcome!
He hjärta relay the luminaire, Garnerville he himself took pity. No one, no one can OMMA for you as he.
Therefore, the care of the individual soul come first. The aim should be that "his spirit may be saved in the Lord Jesus Christ." As we see from Jesus' teaching in Matthew 18 - that underlie what Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 5 - the decision on expulsion must not be taken with ease by a few people. There is a case concerning the meeting.
But before it gets that far, it should have fallen repeatedly to repent and be forgiven of their sin. First, the person who has learned to sin, contact and try to win them. Note the wording: "If he listens to you, you have gained your brother" (v 15). This applies all the time trying to win his brother! Not to trap or exclude. No, he must be won back to the Savior in confession and forgiveness. Assembly's task is to gather the people to Jesus, and that means no toil saved. Hear he is not on one person, one should bring one or two more. But not enough of it. Does he hear not them, this should be a matter that will be a need for the meeting. Is it so bad that he will not hear the assembly also, there remains no other choice than to exclude him from the meeting. But it should take place now - after repeated attempts to win him back to the Savior. The case must not halt in some kind of imaginary kindness, so that one fails to take action against the unrepentant.
That the old leaven soon to permeate the entire assembly. As an example we can think of a couple cohabiting children. If the in spite of repeated calls, in accordance with Matthew 18, however, continues to defend and live their lives in sin, and are not excluded from the meeting, will their example to send a number of harmful signals both within and outside the Assembly.
Outside the meeting sees the world's children that Christians are no longer taking it so carefully to God's word. The salt has lost its taste. Within the meeting, those terms, easily settle down and believe that they still belong to the kingdom of God, even if they are living in blatant sin. Others who might be tempted to the same sin, perceive it so it does not matter. Can they, so we can ...
Another in the audience may have a different propensity to sin. But if cohabiting are not subject to assembly instruction, can not shut him meeting nor there. Thus, the one who defends his sin with reference to the example of others. Leaven spreads! And an increasing number of ports on the broad road that leads to hell. Therefore forsamlingstukten so important - and so blessed. Just applied it can save a lot of destruction.
But it is not too hard to exclude a person from the audience?
It may seem so. But it is much harder - and can not be compared - to let a living in blatant sin and defends it to continue in the assembly and then one day be banned from heaven. It gets much, much worse. It is much better to be excluded from the meeting on the ground and really be faced with the choice of sin or God's friendship, and hopefully choose the latter - and be blessed.
Assembly Discipline seems vitalizing
Where not this mutual care of souls exist, where both brotherly admonition and assembly instruction is terminated, where all sorts of sins occur without being prosecuted. Therefore, it seems forsamlingstukten with the mutual exhortation provoking the meeting. Think to yourself that you have learned that a brother in the congregation live in a sin that he neither regrets nor will forego. Where is now your responsibility to speak with him "under four eyes". If you are in any way responsible and realize the seriousness of this exercise, you are going primarily to rummage yourself in prayer understand word if you are capable of this. They may be one undivided sin which you have long tried to suppress, is as blistering that you know you have to get speech with the Savior about it before you can go and admonish your brother. The beam has to go! And then ask the Savior for mercy and forgiveness, and to let go of it - and certainly he hears you!
Now it need by no means be the case that you have an unresolved sin on your conscience. But it is in any case a special occasion for self-examination acknowledge the mercy seat, and it is very useful for every one. You've been in counseling with the Lord, and can confidently with His help get admonish your brother. Think so big! You have even been drawn closer to the Savior and have been able to see even more clearly how important it is that sin not unto leaven will ferment up. And you've probably also got a dose of humility when faced with the task that the Lord has got to show you something of your own sin and weakness. Then you are unlikely to meet the wrong end of Pharisaic cold, but instead either heat or burn him with Christ's love fire. It depends on how it is received.
If it so happens that your brother does not listen to you, for Jesus' teaching to bring you a couple more. Then these two go through the same soul-searching before they can follow you - and so is the Lord's work on the heart and assembly. It is to "keep the feast ... with purity and truth unleavened bread." "Exhort one another daily, while it is called today, lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin" (Hebrews 3:13). "For our passover is sacrificed for Christ" (1 Cor 5.7).
Resumption
Since everything's overall aim is to salvage the one caught in sin nets must never ban regarded as the ultimate objective. It is just a means to endeavor to get brother / sister to be resumed in full communion with the Lord and with the meeting. It is very important that the person subject to the assembly instruction, will keep this in mind.
The intention is certainly not to "get rid of" the person, but to save him from eternal damnation. In closing, we take a word from 2 Corinthians 2:6-8, TLB, which teaches us how to repent and mourn over their sin, shall be met: "For him it comes, it is enough with the punishment he received from the Most. Now you instead rather forgive and comfort him, lest he should perish in even greater sorrow. Therefore, I urge you: Be agreed to show him love. "
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