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michael72
Apr 18 2010, 01:39 AM
This subject brought up
on the forum but I have lost just where it was, but this is worth hearing:
Someone can post a link that knows how: Go to Youtube and in the search type:
kenjams, a few down look for a video clip "purpose of chemtrails w AC
Griffith 4-14-2010. I am not sure, but think it is an interview with former
USAF Captain Joyce Riley who did a lot on Gulf War. It is a MUST hear. Seems
credible, but I do not know who AC Griffith is.....well, others of you are
probably more up to date. I just Googled AC Griffith, if you have not I invite
you to.
Michael72
tumetuestumefaisdubien
Apr 18 2010, 08:38 AM
this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wM6P_-Czr-E
kawika
Apr 18 2010, 09:42 AM
EUGENICS.
1. They told us they would do it in REPORT FROM IRON MOUNTAIN,1967.
2. These are the same people who brought us fluoridated water, GMO, vaccines,
pesticides, fertilizer, NBC weaponry, depleted uranium, HAARP and who knows
what other mean technologies.
3. They are a different species.
4. They are preparing for a new population of workers.
5. They thrive on toxicity.
kawika
Apr 18 2010, 09:52 AM
[font="Times New
Roman"]"The world is facing increasingly difficult challenges
today. Population growth resulting in the growing demand for critical resources
such as energy, clean water, food and medicine are taxing our fragile planet.
To fulfill these needs
we
need disruptive technologies
. We believe genomic advances offer the world
viable, sustainable alternatives."[/font]
Very disturbing eugenics.
DISRUPTIVE
DoYouEverWonder
Apr 18 2010, 02:18 PM
Link for the Weather
Modification program administered by the Texas Department of Licensing and
Regulation.
http://www.license.state.tx.us/weather/weathermod.htm
-------------------
HARVESTING THE TEXAS SKIES IN 2009
A Summary of Rain Enhancement (Cloud Seeding) Operations in Texas
Projects in Texas
West Texas Weather Modification Association (WTWMA)
South Texas Weather Modification Association (STWMA)
Southern Ogallala Aquifer Rain (SOAR) Program
Edwards Aquifer Authority (EAA)
Southwest Texas Rain Enhancement Association (SWTREA)
Panhandle Groundwater Conservation District
Trans Pecos Weather Modification Association
Texas has a lengthy history of using cloud seeding to lessen the impact of
periodic, often severe, droughts. Numerous “rainmaking” efforts sprouted during
the epic drought of the 1950s, and some continued into the 1960s, giving
impetus to the Texas Legislature to adopt a law, in 1967, governing the use of
weather modification technologies. In ensuing years, both the State and federal
governments provided funds for both cloud seeding research and assessing the
impact of commercial weather modification projects.
With more substantive evidence that cloud seeding, when performed in timely and
appropriate ways, could invigorate convective clouds, promoting their growth and
capacity to produce rainwater, a coordinated, State-funded program began in
earnest in the latter half of the 1990s. Today, with drought a pending, if not
ever present, threat to the economy and well-being of Texans, rain enhancement
projects flourish within large areas of Northwest, West, and South Texas. In
fact, the seven cloud seeding projects today cover nearly 31 million acres (or
about 18 percent of the land area of the state). When drought was a greater
threat a few years ago, as many as 51 million acres were included in cloud
seeding “target” areas.
Texas’ present-day cloud seeding efforts are much more than well-considered
responses to drought, however. They are also concerted efforts, using the
latest technological tools and understanding, to replenish fresh-water supplies
in aquifers and reservoirs as well as to help meet the growing needs of
agriculture, industry, and municipalities for fresh water. Political
subdivisions like water conservation districts and county commissions have
embraced the technology of rain enhancement as one element of a long-term,
water-management strategy designed to ensure a growing population has enough
water to meet its future needs.
Each of the cloud seeding projects uses specially-equipped aircraft designed to
place seeding materials (in the form of pyrotechnic devices, or flares,
containing silver iodide and other compounds) into convective towers (turrets
of growing thunderstorms) to induce them to expand and process more atmospheric
water. The seeding is achieved by burning flares either mounted on the wings of
single and twin-engine aircraft or held in racks, and dropped (ejected), from
the underside of the aircraft fuselage. Pilots in the aircraft are directed to
convective clouds believed by the meteorologist to be treatable with the
seeding agent. Timing and targeting are the two critical factors in successful
seeding of young thunderstorms. The concerted efforts of both pilot(s) and
meteorologist are designed to give the growing cloud a “nudge” to enable it to
be more efficient in the way it uses available cloud droplets to grow
raindrops.
Projects in Texas
As each of the rain enhancement projects became established in recent years,
State matching funds were allocated to the sponsoring groups to enable them to
procure needed hardware such as specially-equipped aircraft and ground-based
radar systems. Each project initially constructed its program, either leasing
or purchasing aircraft, at a cost of 8 to 9 cents per acre, with the State
assuming up to 4.5 cents of that cost. Eventually, the State share of the cost
declined, such that today virtually no residual State funds are used to sustain
these programs. From the time the State began paying in part for the programs
(1997) until State funds were exhausted (2004), the State contributed about
$11.7 million. An additional $1.5 million in State funds was spent during that
time to assess the projects’ performance.
No State funds are available now, for the remainder of the current biennium
(which ends on August 31, 2009) for any cloud seeding operations in Texas.
The following is a description, by project, of rain enhancement operations
conducted during 2009 in Texas.
West Texas Weather Modification Association (WTWMA)
This project, based in San Angelo, is now in its thirteenth consecutive year of
operation. Its target is the third largest in the state---some 6.4 million
acres in west central Texas between Midland and San Angelo. The WTWMA employs a
full-time meteorologist and pilots using Doppler weather radar data produced by
the National Weather Service. The meteorologist is based at Mathis Field, while
aircraft are located at the San Angelo airport as well as several other
locations within the target area.
The project is one of two in the state with a dual purpose: Permits are held by
the WTWMA for both rain enhancement and hail suppression operations. The way in
which the Association obtained its aircraft and radar, and hired its permanent
staff, in 1997-98, to become self-contained as a project served as a prototype
for other rain enhancement programs that materialized in Texas later on. The
staff of the WTWMA can provide more information about this project
(325-949-1950; meteorologist@wtwma.com).
South Texas Weather Modification Association (STWMA)
The project with its base of operations in Pleasanton (south of San Antonio) is
now in its thirteenth year of operation, having been established in 1997 to
seed clouds over a target area extending from the base of the Edwards Plateau
to near the coastal bend area of Texas. The STWMA is an alliance of two water
districts (Evergreen Underground Water Conservation District and the Live Oak
Underground Water Conservation District) and a county commission. Seeding
activities are directed by a staff meteorologist working with National Weather
Service Doppler weather radar data from the airport in Pleasanton. Because the
STWMA has ownership of all of the resources (technical and human) needed to
execute rain enhancement operations at any time, the weather modification project
runs on a year-round basis.
In 2002 the STWMA expanded its target area to absorb three of the counties
previously in the cloud seeding target area of the rain enhancement program of
the Edwards Aquifer Authority (EAA). The EAA reduced the size of its target
area (now the primary drainage area for the Edwards Aquifer) and enlisted
existing rain enhancement projects based in Pleasanton and Carrizo Springs to
provide aerial and technical coverage for its newly-redefined target. As a
result, the target area of the STWMA expanded by some 2.2 million acres, to the
current 7.3 million, making it the state’s largest weather modification target.
The EAA contracts with the STWMA for cloud seeding services in Bandera, Bexar,
and Medina counties. More information on this project can be obtained by
contacting the STWMA staff (830/569-4186; toddrf72@yahoo.com)
Southern Ogallala Aquifer Rain (SOAR) Program
The only rain enhancement project to have direct interface with interests in
New Mexico is the SOAR project, based in Plains and operated by the Sandy Land
Underground Water Conservation District (SLUWCD). Gaines, Terry, and Yoakum
counties make up the Texas portion of the bi-state project, which encompasses
some 2 million acres in eastern New Mexico as well as 2.1 million in Texas. Two
of the counties (Terry and Yoakum) have had cloud seeding since the
establishment of a program, in 1997, by the High Plains Underground Water
Conservation District No. 1. Terry and Yoakum counties were a part of the
15-county HPUWCD weather modification project for five years until they formed
the nucleus of the SOAR project in 2002.
Seeding activities for both areas of Texas and New Mexico are directed by a
SOAR meteorologist based in Plains, where the aircraft are also headquartered.
More information about the SOAR Program can be obtained by contacting the
SLUWCD staff (806/456-2155; www.just-clouds.com).
Edwards Aquifer Authority (EAA)
The EAA first initiated its own rain enhancement effort in 1998, using an
out-of-state contractor for seeding operations based in Hondo. Since its
inception, the aim of the project has been to put additional water on the
ground, and into the aquifer that is the sole source of water for several
million people living in South Central Texas, including the metropolis of San
Antonio. After four years of contracted services, the EAA in 2003 assigned
portions of its “old” target area to two well-established and independently-run
cloud seeding projects nearby. Since then, three of the counties in its redefined
target have been served by the South Texas Weather Modification Association,
while a fourth county (Uvalde) has been included in the target of the Southwest
Texas Rain Enhancement Association (based in Carrizo Springs). The EAA office
in San Antonio (800/292-1047; www.edwardsaquifer.org)
can supply more information about its rain enhancement effort.
Southwest Texas Rain Enhancement Association (SWTREA)
The project begun in 1999 and run by the Winter Garden Groundwater Conservation
District, based in Carrizo Springs, was the first of the seven existing weather
modification projects to diversify into the suppression of hail. The SWTREA is
an association of counties (Dimmit, LaSalle, Uvalde, Webb) which was expanded
in 2002 to absorb Uvalde County, previously in the EAA target area. Today, its
target area is the second largest of all of the Texas projects---some 5.8
million acres. It is the first hail suppression project in Texas to use
aircraft for seeding thunderstorms since hail suppression activities in the
Texas South Plains ended in 1977. The SWTREA maintains a staff operating out of
the Pleasanton airport, where its meteorologist directs seeding operations
using National Weather Service Doppler radar data and aircraft based out of
Carrizo Springs. The SWTREA staff (830/876-3801; wxbliss21@yahoo.com) is the contact for
more information on this project.
Panhandle Groundwater Conservation District (PGWCD)
A second large water district in the Panhandle region also conducts cloud
seeding operations to enhance rainfall and, thus, augment groundwater recharge
over the Ogallala Aquifer in the state’s northern extremity. This project,
after being served in its initial year by a contractor, followed the path taken
by earlier projects in Texas and in 2001 procured its own aircraft, radar,
office facility, and support personnel. The PGWCD project has access to cloud
systems moving out of Oklahoma into its target area, which currently consists
of nearly 4.0 million acres in the eastern sector of the Texas Panhandle. The
staff of the PGWCD (806/883-2501; jwright@pgcd.us)
can provide additional information about this project.
Trans Pecos Weather Modification Association (TPWMA)
Texas’ newest rain enhancement project made its inaugural seeding flights in
May 2003. The Association consists of the Ward County Irrigation District and
other political subdivisions within Culberson, Loving, Reeves, and Ward
counties. Its target area in that part of Texas along and west of the Pecos
River consists of 5.1 million acres. TPWMA aircraft are based at the airport in
Pecos, where a C-band radar is also situated. Seeding missions were directed by
a staff meteorologist working from an office at the Yoakum County Airport in
Plains. Additional information is available about this project through the Ward
County Irrigation District in Barstow (432/445-6834; wcid1@pecos.net).
Contact Information
Individuals, or organizations, representing areas of the state not now engaged
in cloud seeding but with an interest in doing so should contact George Bomar
(512/936-4313; e-mail: gbomar@license.state.tx.us)
of the TDLR about any, and all, weather modification permitting and licensing
matters or for general information about cloud seeding technology.
http://www.license.state.tx.us/weather/summary.htm
JimMac
Apr 18 2010, 04:55 PM
I listened to the
unabridged version of this interview, which doesn't add much but all the
statements are heard in context. IMHO it doesn't pass the smell test. But then
who can say for sure, maybe Israel has planted nukes all over Russia in
retaliation for the nukes planted all over the USA , maybe there are mysterious
big booms heard in all American cities that go unreported and are the
result of Russia's aggression, maybe Israel has come to the rescue of
America against Russia on several 'white-knuckle occasions' , and thank God for
Israel.. God Bless Israel..yada yada..
Nothing much substantial on chem trails..
Quest
Apr 18 2010, 06:48 PM
QUOTE
(JimMac @ Apr 18 2010, 10:55 PM) 
I listened
to the unabridged version of this interview, which doesn't add much but all the
statements are heard in context. IMHO it doesn't pass the smell test. But then
who can say for sure, maybe Israel has planted nukes all over Russia in
retaliation for the nukes planted all over the USA , maybe there are mysterious
big booms heard in all American cities that go unreported and are the
result of Russia's aggression, maybe Israel has come to the rescue of
America against Russia on several 'white-knuckle occasions' , and thank God for
Israel.. God Bless Israel..yada yada..
Nothing much substantial on chem trails..
Russia's agression? I imagine genociding 60 million Russians, Ukranians,
Latvians and Lithuanians in the Wall Street\Western elite fomented Bolshevik
Revolution might upset some. I am starting to wonder if everything we are
seeing today regarding agitation with Russia isn't out guilt-fed fear for what
the western elites did to Russia then. Russia has every right to be angry but
the west still hasn't given up on collectively vilifying all Russians, the
majority of which are probably not much diferent than you and me.
JimMac
Apr 18 2010, 07:00 PM
QUOTE
(Quest @ Apr 18 2010, 07:48 PM)
Russia's
agression? I imagine genociding 60 million Russians, Ukranians, Latvians and
Lithuanians in the Wall Street\Western elite fomented Bolshevik Revolution
might upset some. I am starting to wonder if everything we are seeing today
regarding agitation with Russia isn't out guilt-fed fear for what the western
elites did to Russia then. Russia has every right to be angry but the west
still hasn't given up on collectively vilifying all Russians, the majority of
which are probably not much diferent than you and me.
So i take it you're not buying that Israel (God bless) has nukes planted all
over Russia in their cities either.. (as the interviewed gentleman states).
lunk
Apr 18 2010, 08:10 PM
The chemtrails, or
whatever you want to call them, seem to be most intense after solar
prominences, they seem to align between populated areas and the sun.
We see a solar flare or CME in about 8 minutes.
It can take up to 3 days to get here.
Lots of time to spray filtering or reflective particles into the atmosphere.
The sun, i think is growing in intensity, perhaps it's just my eyes,
but on a sunny day i now have to wince, to see, because of its' brightness.
So, it happens that the chemicals they are spraying,
happen to be poisonous to humans,
they don't care, about us.
But hey, it fits with their depopulation program.
The thing is that they probably noticed, many years ago, that the sun was
intensifying in its' radiation. The logical conclusion is that the Earth would
heat up, however, there are other factors at work.
Cosmic rays, for instance, can
electrify the lower atmosphere and cause clouds, that shade, and cool the
surface of the Earth.
Solar activity seems to be synonymous with geological activity on the Earth,
corresponding with earthquakes and volcanoes.
i have a theory, that electrons, in the cosmic wind could cause clear sky's,
while protons in the cosmic wind causes clouds, when they hit the Earths'
atmosphere.
Once again, just today, i saw a huge perfect arc of cloud, it looked so
man-made, perhaps HAARP.
Shields up.
Of course, they feel it's best,
to put the blame on human activity.
...and they sure are trying to.
michael72
Apr 18 2010, 10:37 PM
The chemtrails are not
regular cloud seeding, but may be used as a cover. Google search AC Griffith,
interviews with Joyce Riley and other places. People are only threatened and
murdered over something sinister. There should be no secrecy over anything like
this with its potential harmful effects. That there is says more than any claim
of safety or legitimacy. Couple the available information on chemtrails and
other covert operations and lies it should come as no surprise.
"Is the military f-----crazy?" These programs are pulled off by a
relative few with no sense or no conscience or both, but nevertheless,
intelligent and capable. They are supported by people who are either afraid, or
lack the courage to examine this issue-like 9/11- or they are just too comfortable
with their view of the world and the US to have it rocked, but it is likely to
get upset sooner or later, may as well be sooner-its better.
JimMac
Apr 18 2010, 11:08 PM
QUOTE
(michael72 @ Apr 18 2010, 11:37 PM)
The
chemtrails are not regular cloud seeding, but may be used as a cover. Google
search AC Griffith, interviews with Joyce Riley and other places. People are
only threatened and murdered over something sinister. There should be no
secrecy over anything like this with its potential harmful effects. That there
is says more than any claim of safety or legitimacy. Couple the available
information on chemtrails and other covert operations and lies it should come
as no surprise.
"Is the military f-----crazy?" These programs are pulled off by a
relative few with no sense or no conscience or both, but nevertheless,
intelligent and capable. They are supported by people who are either afraid, or
lack the courage to examine this issue-like 9/11- or they are just too
comfortable with their view of the world and the US to have it rocked, but it
is likely to get upset sooner or later, may as well be sooner-its better.
With all due respect, i don't think you know who 'pulls off' these programs.
Right now its 'we' (who know nothing), verses 'them' as Alan Watt says. Here we
have a 'witness' who claims insider info, info that people are said to have
died over. The tone of secrecy is drummed up by the well scripted channel
hostess who reminds us that the speaker's life is endangered merely by his
talking, and of course our listening to his rare information. Meanwhile,
between the lines of nothingness, we hear Israel has planted nukes in Russia,
and God bless them for doing it, because it's a white knuckled balance of
terror, and your very next moment alive could depend on it. Thank God for
Israel.
lunk
Apr 19 2010, 01:57 AM
There were persistent
trails being made all day and night, here,
i guess they can't use those sprayn' planes in Northern Europe, with
all that Iceland volcano ash floating around.
i wonder if they re-route them to North America,
anyone notice any increase in air traffic, lately?
DoYouEverWonder
Apr 19 2010, 07:45 AM
QUOTE
(michael72 @ Apr 18 2010, 11:37 PM)
The
chemtrails are not regular cloud seeding, but may be used as a cover. Google
search AC Griffith, interviews with Joyce Riley and other places. People are
only threatened and murdered over something sinister. There should be no
secrecy over anything like this with its potential harmful effects. That there
is says more than any claim of safety or legitimacy. Couple the available
information on chemtrails and other covert operations and lies it should come
as no surprise.
"Is the military f-----crazy?" These programs are pulled off by a
relative few with no sense or no conscience or both, but nevertheless, intelligent
and capable. They are supported by people who are either afraid, or lack the
courage to examine this issue-like 9/11- or they are just too comfortable with
their view of the world and the US to have it rocked, but it is likely to get
upset sooner or later, may as well be sooner-its better.
I'm sure these cloud seeding programs could be used as cover
for almost anything. However, these programs are not big secrets, even if the
M$M and the government doesn't seem to want to educate the public about them.
Probably, because the public reacted so badly when they ran the Medfly
Eradication Program in Florida back in the 1990's.
This guy is deliberate disinfo meant to keep the story about what's really
going on with weather modification in the 'conspiracy zone' and away from the
general public.
Quest
Apr 19 2010, 11:39 AM
QUOTE
(JimMac @ Apr 19 2010, 12:00 AM)
So i take
it you're not buying that Israel (God bless) has nukes planted all over Russia
in their cities either.. (as the interviewed gentleman states).
I am saying Israel torpedoed, rocketed and strafed the USS Liberty
intentionally. I am saying the are involved in a creeping genocide of the
Palestinians. I am saying that the Israeli government, along with the US, GB
and it's NATO allies, was involved in 911. I am saying we give Israel billions
of dollars every year for "defense" yet US citizens have no say so in
middle-eastern policy. I am saying you need to look into the Lavon affair and
the King David hotel bombings. If you somehow believe all of this means the
Israeli government is our friend, you, my dear sir, are in need a checkup from
the neck-up.
JimMac
Apr 19 2010, 11:58 AM
QUOTE
(Quest @ Apr 19 2010, 12:39 PM)
I am saying
Israel torpedoed, rocketed and strafed the USS Liberty intentionally. I am
saying the are involved in a creeping genocide of the Palestinians. I am saying
that the Israeli government, along with the US, GB and it's NATO allies, was
involved in 911. I am saying we give Israel billions of dollars every year for
"defense" yet US citizens have no say so in middle-eastern policy. I
am saying you need to look into the Lavon affair and the King David hotel
bombings. If you somehow believe all of this means the Israeli government is
our friend, you, my dear sir, are in need a checkup from the neck-up.
To be sure.
Just in case the point i was trying to make was a bit oblique, i think the
guest speaker's pretense was the chem trails discussion, camouflage for the
info he worked in about Israel, Russia, nukes, America under threat from
Russia, and so on.. i think they call it cointell, but maybe that's the wrong
label.
Lasthorseman
Apr 19 2010, 12:01 PM
Purposes of chemtrails
Eugenics
Over the horizon radar Torsional Vortex Imaging as Hoagland calls it
Cloud cover to alleviate global warming- Even lamestream media has brought up
this geo-engineering effort
Bearden and his scalar weapons theme sounds like disinfo, why, well because
Bearden is not dead. Far as Israel being our friend I don't think so.
Quest
Apr 19 2010, 12:02 PM
QUOTE
(JimMac @ Apr 19 2010, 04:58 PM)
To be sure.
Just in case the point i was trying to make was a bit oblique, i think the
guest speaker's pretense was the chem trails discussion, camouflage for the
info he worked in about Israel, Russia, nukes, America under threat from
Russia, and so on.. i think they call it cointell, but maybe that's the wrong
label.
Sorry, JM, I misunderstood your point. Carry on.
localbod
Apr 19 2010, 02:23 PM
QUOTE
(Quest @ Apr 17 2010, 03:39 PM)
I am saying
Israel torpedoed, rocketed and strafed the USS Liberty intentionally. I am
saying the are involved in a creeping genocide of the Palestinians. I am saying
that the Israeli government, along with the US, GB and it's NATO allies, was
involved in 911. I am saying we give Israel billions of dollars every year for
"defense" yet US citizens have no say so in middle-eastern policy. I
am saying you need to look into the Lavon affair and the King David hotel
bombings. If you somehow believe all of this means the Israeli government is
our friend, you, my dear sir, are in need a checkup from the neck-up.
Quest with you there.
Jewish 'freedom fighters' used terrorist /insurgent tactics against the British
to get their own homeland -Israel.Now they have their own country established
they are going about the very deliberate , peace meal destruction of the idea
of an internationally recognized Palestinian state and genocide of the
Palestinian people.
For some reason in the U.K. amongst the general public and politicians there is
a deluded belief that we have a special relationship with the U.S.!
The only country that the U.S.A. has a unique relationship with is Israel.
It would appear that north american politicians couldn't care less that Israel
has been breaking United Nations resolutions since 1967 , yet whenever it suits
them and their particular ends they quite happily start crowing about U.N. laws
and resolutions that may or may not have been broken by another nation state.
One word -Hipocracy!
localbod.
michael72
Apr 20 2010, 12:51 AM
JimMac and others...good
points. I came up with questions also. I have had a lot of respect for Joyce
Riley, but also aware of "disinformation." I am no fan of Israel. Not
after reading Alfred Lilienthal's "the Zionist Connection", nor am I
a fan of those leaders we have who for one reason or another suck up to to the
Israeli lobby out of fear or whatever. (See former Congressman Paul Finley's
book, "They Dare Speak Out". AC's comments on Israel having a defense
against Russian "scaler" weaponry and saving the US from Russia
seemed peculiar as everything Isarel have they get from us. I have queried an
Israeli friend who was in weapons development about this to see if he can
comment or has knowledge.
As far as "they" there are, I believe a lot of interconnected
elements, relatively small in number. Look at the small number of Bolsheviks
that enslaved millions of Russians. I recommend Henry Makow's book on the
Illuminati. Henry is a former socialist, liberal, pro Zionist Jew. He does a
great job of presenting info, and on 9/11 says, "the Mossad's footprint is
all over it" www.henrymakow.com
JimMac
Apr 20 2010, 01:58 AM
QUOTE
(michael72 @ Apr 20 2010, 01:51 AM)
I recommend
Henry Makow's book on the Illuminati. Henry is a former socialist, liberal, pro
Zionist Jew. He does a great job of presenting info, and on 9/11 says,
"the Mossad's footprint is all over it" www.henrymakow.com
Speaking of presenting info, on his site Makow's all over the Trenton base
commander who murdered the two women, tabloid sensationalism style. Maybe i'm a
little out of touch, but the idea of 'satanist' never popped in my brain. I am
aware that these people exist, but i assumed he was a sexual deviant, sociopath
who advanced to killing for pleasure. If that's true, and the occult is a
factor, i believe it will come out into the daylight. The accused Commander was
in the news last week over a failed suicide attempt, he tried choking himself.
The media is not dwelling on this case here at all, not sensationalizing it.
Sanders
Apr 20 2010, 08:07 AM
I don't want to derail
the thread, which is starting to lean away from Chemtrail discussion already.
Just posted in the religion forum:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10784582
EDIT: I deleted that the next morning, basically on principle. I was a little
drunk when I wrote it and bourbon, me, and the topic of religion are things
best not mixed LoL. The post wasn't half bad, I just wasn't comfortable sending
it out to the world as it was. (Sorry 'bout that.)
GroundPounder
Apr 20 2010, 12:33 PM
spraying here again in
southern maryland. lots of 'lovely' trails which spread out. as i was pondering
the whole mess outside, a sanity check came along. one fellow flying way up
there leaves a standard contrail which dissipates completely rather quickly. a
minute later along comes another guy at what appears to be about the same
flight level, and wouldn't you know it...thick persistent trail from one end of
the sky to the other. pisses me off.
lunk
Apr 20 2010, 05:51 PM
i notice, sometimes,
lots of people
with a spontaneous dry cough,
they aren't sick.
i wonder if its' the trails.
Just me, and computer
and a hepa filter.
nitatutt
Apr 20 2010, 06:53 PM
QUOTE
(JimMac @ Apr 18 2010, 05:58 AM)
Speaking of
presenting info, on his site Makow's all over the Trenton base commander who
murdered the two women, tabloid sensationalism style. Maybe i'm a little out of
touch, but the idea of 'satanist' never popped in my brain. I am aware that
these people exist, but i assumed he was a sexual deviant, sociopath who
advanced to killing for pleasure. If that's true, and the occult is a factor, i
believe it will come out into the daylight. The accused Commander was in the
news last week over a failed suicide attempt, he tried choking himself. The
media is not dwelling on this case here at all, not sensationalizing it.
I was shocked when I read Makow's article.
I followed the Bernardo case for years, because I live in the area (US). link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo
This story affected the way I worked, the way I raised my children - meaning -
I lived in fear, and gave up "working days" and "saving for
retirement" - worked only shit jobs at night in a rust belt
"dead" city/burbs.
This story is not the only reason - there is another in my area - the
"bike path rapist" - 30 year success story of a serial rapist
murderer.
In the area where I grew up (another county) there was a child rapist in the
1970's- that was "discerned" to be a "social worker" for
the young female (10 years or younger) victims found raped and murdered.
Never caught him.
According to news reports, Karla (Bernardo's "wife") got away with
torture-rape-murder, because of "keystone cops" (ah hum).
I don't know.
The "connections" are disconcerting.
JimMac
Apr 20 2010, 07:30 PM
QUOTE
(nitatutt @ Apr 20 2010, 07:53 PM)
I was
shocked when I read Makow's article.
I followed the Bernardo case for years, because I live in the area (US). link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo
This story affected the way I worked, the way I raised my children - meaning -
I lived in fear, and gave up "working days" and "saving for
retirement" - worked only shit jobs at night in a rust belt
"dead" city/burbs.
This story is not the only reason - there is another in my area - the
"bike path rapist" - 30 year success story of a serial rapist
murderer.
In the area where I grew up (another county) there was a child rapist in the
1970's- that was "discerned" to be a "social worker" for
the young female (10 years or younger) victims found raped and murdered.
Never caught him.
According to news reports, Karla (Bernardo's "wife") got away with
torture-rape-murder, because of "keystone cops" (ah hum).
I don't know.
The "connections" are disconcerting.
I was very shocked too, partly because i had never considered the satanic
angle, but then i'm not sure i don't exist in a naive state of mind, where such
things do not ordinarily cross my thinking. (no pun).
As Sanders pointed out, this material is not germane to chemtrails, however i'm
not so sure the subject video guest was really there to talk about chemtrails
either. I saw him as pure BS, pure disinfo. Which might even be a more
meaningful topic anyway, as the nuke terror media propaganda machinery seems to
be ramping-up these days, the video guest just another exhibit IMHO.
nitatutt
Apr 20 2010, 07:45 PM
QUOTE
(JimMac @ Apr 18 2010, 11:30 PM)
I was very
shocked too, partly because i had never considered the satanic angle, but then
i'm not sure i don't exist in a naive state of mind, where such things do not
ordinarily cross my thinking. (no pun).
As Sanders pointed out, this material is not germane to chemtrails, however i'm
not so sure the subject video guest was really there to talk about chemtrails
either. I saw him as pure BS, pure disinfo. Which might even be a more
meaningful topic anyway, as the nuke terror media propaganda machinery seems to
be ramping-up these days, the video guest just another exhibit IMHO.
Agree - I had not conceived the "satanic angle".
Beyond my comprehension, for the most part - yet I'm constantly accused of
being "past the norm"
I also believe the "video guest" is FOS.
bullshit meter - my mind drifted
I do suspect there is more to the missing children ....
especially when it is decent, moral parents who do what they should - yet -
Like a sick filthy game, statistically most never notice - but if you are the
unfortunate parent ...
Having worked for fighter pilots, having good commanders - I was perplexed.
but I'm older
first thing I thought was I was glad I'm confident I didn't work for someone
like him - Col. Russ Williams
sick - should be on the front pages of EVERY (2) newspapers
What does this have to do with chemtrails ?
Everything -
michael72
Apr 21 2010, 12:51 AM
Jm, Localbod and quest..
good ponits on chemtrails, Russia and disinformation, on US relationship with
Israel, you may find of interest visiting: www.roytov.com
michael72
Apr 21 2010, 01:32 AM
I just read Makow's
article mentioned, and I will steer this back on chemtrails. He has a lot of
good material. Sometimes he puts things under a broad brush. Ted Gunderson,
former special agent in charge of the Dallas FBI has a lot on Satanism and
believes it more prevalent than we would think. He has gone through almost a
dozen webmasters and has had to move out of the country to Panama to operate.
Perhaps toes are being stepped on. To tie back to chemtrails, and if someone
can find it and comment. Henry posted an article by airline mechanic on
chemtrails. He explained circumstances whereby he discovered the apparatus to
dispense unkowns into the air. I am not an A&P nor have knowlegde of jet
airliner systems, but this fellow was surprized he could find no official
listing for this stuff being on the aircraft, and was warned via email as he
searched "not to poke his nose into stuff he should not". His story
and details seemed authentic but I would like to have someone who is intimate
with certain systems comment on the article. They would probably have to be
working on commercial airliners. If the story sounds plausible, then only an
investigation on various aircraft could determine if something was there and
what was being released. This guy was afraid and did not mention his name. If
true and innocuous there would be no need for secrecy and threats.
nitatutt
Apr 21 2010, 12:16 PM
QUOTE
(michael72 @ Apr 19 2010, 04:32 AM)
I just read
Makow's article mentioned, and I will steer this back on chemtrails. He has a
lot of good material. Sometimes he puts things under a broad brush. Ted
Gunderson, former special agent in charge of the Dallas FBI has a lot on
Satanism and believes it more prevalent than we would think. He has gone
through almost a dozen webmasters and has had to move out of the country to
Panama to operate. Perhaps toes are being stepped on. To tie back to
chemtrails, and if someone can find it and comment. Henry posted an article by
airline mechanic on chemtrails. He explained circumstances whereby he
discovered the apparatus to dispense unkowns into the air. I am not an A&P
nor have knowlegde of jet airliner systems, but this fellow was surprized he
could find no official listing for this stuff being on the aircraft, and was
warned via email as he searched "not to poke his nose into stuff he should
not". His story and details seemed authentic but I would like to have
someone who is intimate with certain systems comment on the article. They would
probably have to be working on commercial airliners. If the story sounds
plausible, then only an investigation on various aircraft could determine if
something was there and what was being released. This guy was afraid and did
not mention his name. If true and innocuous there would be no need for secrecy
and threats.
Found this post about an airline mechanic... (not original source)
link: http://home.earthlink.net/~georgiamilitia/chemtrail.htm
MEDIA RELEASE: An airplane mechanic swears CHEMTRAILS isn't theory and he
explains how it is done.
Coming Clean From an airline mechani
Coming Clean From an airline mechanic:
"For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my
identity. I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our
maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some
information that I think you will find important.
First I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among
mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you have
dedicated yourself.
Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines, or the
flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are considered at the
top of the "pecking order". Next come the mechanics that work on the
hydraulics and air conditioning systems. Then come the ones who work on the
galley and other non-essential systems. But at the very bottom of the list are
the mechanics that work on the waste disposal systems. No mechanic wants to
work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are used to store the waste from the
lavatories.
But at every airport where I have worked there are always 2 or 3 mechanics that
volunteer to work on the lavatory systems. The other mechanics are happy to let
them do it. Because of this you will have only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on
these systems at any one airport. No one pays much attention to these guys and
no mechanic socializes with another mechanic who only works on the waste
systems. In fact I had never thought much about this situation until last
month.
Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with the other airlines that
fly into this airport. If they have a problem with a plane one of our mechanics
will take care of it. Likewise if one of our planes has a problem at an airport
where the other airline has a maintenance base, they will fix our plane.
One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane for
another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know what the
problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the problem was in waste
disposal system.
There was nothing for me to do but to crawl in and fix the problem. When I got
into the bay I realized that something was not right. There were more tanks,
pumps, and pipes then should have been there. At first I assumed that the
system had been changed. It had been 10 years since I had worked on one. As I
tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and tanks were
not connected to the waste disposal system. I had just discovered this when
another mechanic from my company showed up.
It was one of the mechanics who usually works on these systems. I happily
turned the job over to him. As I was leaving I asked him about the extra
equipment. He told me to "worry about my end of the plane and let him
worry about his!"
The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring schematic. While
I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment I had found. To my
amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra equipment I had seen with
my own eyes the day before. I even tied in to the manufacturer files and still
found nothing. Now I was really determined to find out what that equipment did.
The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for periodic
inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during these
inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look at the
waste system on one of our planes. With all the mechanics around I figured that
no one would notice an extra one on the plane. Sure enough, the plane I choose
had the extra equipment!
I began to trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared
to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking avionics
control box but it had no markings of any kind. I could trace the control wires
from the box to the pumps and valves but there were no control circuits coming
into the unit. The only wires coming Into the unit was a power connection to
the aircraft's main power bus.
The system had 1 large and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped
compartment but it looked like the large tank could hold 50 gallons. The tanks
were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed through the fuselage just
behind the drain valve for the waste system. When I had a chance to look for
this connection under the plane I found it cunningly hidden behind a panel
under the panel used to access the waste drain.
I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a network of
small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings and horizontal
stabilizers. If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see
a set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the trailing edge
of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge wicks. They are used to
dissipate the static electric charge that builds up on a plane in flight. I
discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1 out of 3 of
these static discharge wicks. These wicks had been "hollowed out" to
allow whatever flows through these pipes to be discharged through these fake
wicks.
It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted me. He ordered
me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over and I had not been
authorized any overtime.
The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to continue my
investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery, I was called to
replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to take off in two hours. I
finished the job and turned in the paperwork.
About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When I went in
his office I found that our union rep and two others who I did not know were
waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had been discovered. He said
that I was being written up and suspended for turning in false paperwork. He
handed me a disciplinary form stating that I had turned in false paperwork on
the engine temperature sensor I had installed a few hours before. I was floored
and began to protest. I told them that this was ridiculous and that I had done
this work. The union rep spoke up then and recommended that we take a look at
the plane and see if we could straighten it all out. It was at this time that I
asked who the other two men were. The GM told me that they were airline safety
inspectors but would not give me their names.
We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but was parked on
our