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Some commercial and other organisation connected editing is probably inevitable - the issue is how to manage it and maintain 'the spirit of Wikipedia.' [[User:Jackiespeel|Jackiespeel]] ([[User talk:Jackiespeel|talk]]) 12:19, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Some commercial and other organisation connected editing is probably inevitable - the issue is how to manage it and maintain 'the spirit of Wikipedia.' [[User:Jackiespeel|Jackiespeel]] ([[User talk:Jackiespeel|talk]]) 12:19, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
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=== Wording improvement ===
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The intent seems fine, but the wording has issues.
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# The first sentence prohibits "deceptive" activities and "fraud", but it's not at all implicit or even clarified how this isn't a [[w:Non sequitur (logic)|non sequiteur]] - because 1/ undisclosed paid editing is '''not''' always and necessarily, deceptive or fraudulent, 2/ non-disclosure of affiliation is a lot weaker than deception or fraud (strong words masking weak ones), and 3/ other persons with a strong vested interest who are not paid, are not apparently deemed to be deceptive or fraudulent (the amendment doesn't touch on them).
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# An employee or owner of a business may not 'receive compensation' for contributions related to that business, but should be covered by this TOU anyway.
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# Aas we allow pseudonymity, we should state the action required by editors who edit both commercially and non commercially, or who genuinely feel they see an article problem, where they do <u>not</u> wish to make disclosure.
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'''Requested wording change:'''
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To make it clearer and more obviously direct, can we add two sentences -
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:: ''These Terms of Use prohibit engaging in deceptive activities, including misrepresentation of affiliation, impersonation, and fraud. <u>In particular where you have a financial, commercial, or work-related interest in a matter, or receive any form of compensation for editing, it is deceptive to present your editing activities connected to that area as having no such connection, or by omission to allow other editors to be mislead and believe you have no connection with the subject matter.</u>''
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:: ''To ensure compliance with these obligations, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution to any Wikimedia projects for which you receive compensation. You must make that disclosure in at least one of the following ways:''
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:::* ''a statement on your user page,''
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:::* ''a statement on the talk page accompanying any paid contributions, or''
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:::* ''a statement in the edit summary accompanying any paid contributions.''
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:: ''<u>If you do not wish to make this disclosure, you are forbidden to contribute to articles where these statements apply, to any debates directly impacting such articles, and to any discussions about the editing or editor conduct within such articles, other than at the 'talk pages' of such articles, unless permission is obtained from that project's arbitration committee or equivalent.</u>''
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The first underlined proposed words, make clear the link from affiliation to deceptiveness and that omission is also deceptive; they make categorical what exactly the issue is, and what 'unacceptable conduct' means. The second underlined section says what to do, if unwilling to make the disclosure - which needs saying. [[user:FT2|FT2]] <sup><span style="font-style:italic">([[User_talk:FT2|Talk]] | [[Special:Emailuser/FT2|email]])</span></sup> 14:52, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
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:There are some really good ideas here FT2. I will be interested in the response of others to your proposal. Thank you. [[User:Geoffbrigham|Geoffbrigham]] ([[User talk:Geoffbrigham|talk]]) 01:37, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
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::My suggested wording for the first underlined part:
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::<blockquote>If you have a financial, commercial, or work-related affiliation with another organization, or if you have been compensated as part of your affiliation, omission of this information from other Wikimedians during the course of your activities on a Wikimedia project, especially if it relates to your organization, may be considered deceptive or fraudulent.</blockquote>
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::Also [[User:FT2|FT2]]: while I appreciate the efforts at rewording the last bit, I object to its threatening tone especially as this matter is still under discussion and we are still examining its potential for negative impact on other Wikimedia projects like English Wikivoyage, which depend quite a bit on contributions from travel agencies and other commercial entities. [[User:TeleComNasSprVen|TeleComNasSprVen]] ([[User talk:TeleComNasSprVen|talk]]) 09:35, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
== Ungrouped Discussion 2 ==
== Ungrouped Discussion 2 ==