stfupenguins:
jewish-privilege:
keshetchai:
onthewaytojudaism:
demoncrys-angelsfall:
jewish-privilege:
tikkunolamorgtfo:
wakeupontheprongssideofthebed:
nativepeopleproblems:
liberalzionist:
nativepeopleproblems:
The fact that white liberals will argue against the statement “kill all nazis” is really quite telling.
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It is quite telling.
It’s because, despite hating bigoted and often downright evil views, and, at times, even the person themselves, no decent person ever genuinely wishes death on anyone else, because that would make us the same as the people that we’re busy fighting against.
Despite all the racism, ableism, biphobia and abuse that I’ve personally and physically been through in real life away from the internet, I will never advocate violence or death against anyone else.
I may be hurt, physically or emotionally, but at least in my heart of hearts I can sit and say: “I’m better than all of those evil people.”
We stay (sometimes bitterly) polite, we can be angry, but we stand there and show ourselves to be better human beings, because by G-d, like the man above, who saved a man that would want him dead? One day, that white supremacist KKK member might look back and change his views thanks to that basic human kindness.
You fight hate with more hate? You give ammunition to those that hate us. You fight hate with basic human decency and kindness? Then the ones that hate have a greater chance of seeing more than just their prejudices, and that’s the only thing that can ever really kill bigotry.
Don’t believe me? Take it up with Daryl Davis, the man that talked KKK members out of their extremist racist beliefs, a man that believes in frank and intelligent conversation instead of violence. He’s disbanded KKK groups, including Grand Wizards.
You can sneer all you want and advocate murdering people, but more bigots will just take their places. Calling for death or violence never does anybody any good. It’s painful that minorities have to constantly take the high road, but it’s the only way that we can ever get any respect or support from the majority – and whether minorities like it or not, we need the majority to support us, or nothing will ever change.
Okay, but have you considered:
Kill all nazis.
Yes. It is ABUNDANTLY clear that they’ve considered your hatred, and they’ve rejected it.
I hate nazis as much as the next rational person, if not more, but I also believe the research that shows the best criminal justice systems are rehabilitative, not punitive. If you can “cure” bigots of their bigotry via productive discourse, then isn’t that better?
Don’t kill the nazi, kill the nazism within them. Save the person.
If only somebody had just educated Goebbels, AMIRITE?
I consider the prospect of killing Nazis to be a great deal like putting down a rabid animal. It’s a genuine shame that you have to kill a living being for being infected with something inside of them, but, ultimately, if you don’t do it, there will be more suffering spread as a result. And, much like rabies, Naziism is only treatable with care and attention if caught and stopped in the early stages. After that, you just have to put them down, and think of who they could have been, if only they hadn’t been exposed to the hate.
Jewish-Privilege, I am completely disappointed in you. They are human beings. HUMAN BEINGS. With family, lovers, and deserve to not be murdered. I understand that they wish us harm, but that doesn’t mean that we should wish to kill them. That is so, so, so disgusting.
Personally, to me, anyone who condones, advocates or wishes to kill/mane/injure someone is not for peace, equality or safety for all. They only want chaos, violence and suffering. I have had violently scary situations in my life because of who i am. I do not wish death upon those who harmed myself and my family. Why? Because that is morally abhorrent. It’s hurting for the sake of revenge, which in my life only brought more pain and suffering. Protect yourself, yes. But do not seek to harm. It solves nothing, and causes yourself, the injured and their loved ones harm. It breeds more hatred. I was raped for being Jewish and I was abused, molested and assaulted for being a Jewish/Transgender male. Do I wish for my abusers to die? Do I actively want to kill those who dealt me violent harm? No, because that doesn’t solve the problem, and it doesn’t make the world a safer place. It only invites more horror, murder, torture, and chaos. Look, I understand the hatred against Neo-Nazis, but they to are people with family’s, they are people. And maybe, just maybe, they will change their ways if we don’t kill them.
Seriously, I am disgusted that anyone would compare a human being to a rabid animal, no matter their horrid way of thinking. I am disgusted that anyone would want to kill another human being. Both blogs should be ashamed of themselves.
Did they really compare a human being to a rapid dog. What kind of people just uncompromisingly advocate for murder?
I don’t think this is something anyone says lightly – and certainly the original statement, I think, got misread somewhere. It’s telling people will loudly protest the statement “kill all nazis” but usually tend towards arguing for freedom of speech if someone states “kill all [ethnic minority group].” It’s telling because nazism is a choice, and ethnicity is not. It’s telling because the priorities are twisted and the outrage is directed at victims rather than at the problem that caused victims in the first place (in this case, nazism).
Whether someone is serious or not – is usually besides the point. Very few people take revenge on their attackers, but violent, abusive, or racist people may repeat their actions and cause more victims. They’re called repeat offenders. Abusers often stay abusive. People who commit sexual assault are very likely to do it again. Nazism is a crime which self-perpetuates towards a lifetime of victims.
I’m cutting this because I’ve gone on to discuss a specific case in which people I knew personally were murdered by a neo-nazi and I have no qualms against being glad he’s dead because he murdered four people and if his buddies all died too, I wouldn’t be bothered. tl;dr: Fuck Nazis. Their families may also be suffering directly because of them.
Keep reading
Two things:
First, because some people apparently can’t understand a
metaphor,
or hyperbole, I’m saying this: I’m not advocating murder, and the insinuation that I am I find borderline libelous. In the above “Naziism=rabies” metaphor, I am comparing the Naziism memeplex (the network of concepts and ideas that make up Naziism) with rabies, in that both are infectious and both will seek to spread, and both will often reach a point where the individual “infected” with either the disease or the memeplex becomes a violent danger to society.
Before that point, Nazis can be “treated”, through aggressive education, and potentially social support, just as someone infected with rabies has a window before the disease progresses. And that’s good. People at that stage should be given some benefit of the doubt (some). Some of them are in it for the tribalism and sense of belonging, and might just putting up a front of bravado. They might be within reach of help.
But the ones that have turned violent? The ones that go out to assault or kill Jews, Black people, LGBT, or other minorities? They should be treated–legally, morally, and ethically–as the mass murderers that they aspire to be. They have committed themselves to hate, committed themselves to their cause of violence and murder, and should be “put down”. That might mean imprisonment, but, in their case, I will advocate (and I have no doubt that I will get hate for this) that the death penalty should be considered for any Neo-Nazi that has shown that they are fully committed to murdering Jews and other human beings that they don’t see as people. Not to discourage others–I know that this would create martyrs for their “cause”–but to keep them from infecting others in the prison population with their hate-based ideology.
@keshetchai’s example (below the Keep Reading above) shows a prime example of the kind of individual that I mean, individuals who should be treated as the mass-murderers-in-waiting that they aspire to be, and who are instead given leave to kill and kill and kill.
Second:
Fuck this victim-blaming shit. I am advocating for self-defense, and the defense of others, but I cannot be held responsible for the actions of another unless I had a choice in influencing them. Blaming Jews for “not educating” Neo-Nazis in the hope that “some of them might change” is victim-blaming horseshit. That is why, despite the mental stress it causes me, I work to compile the Block List. Because we have a right to defend ourselves, at all scales, from hatred. On here, that means blocking these people. In real life? It means being ready to defend yourself and others when a bunch of skinheads show up to kill minorities for giggles.
I have just one thing to ask: Apparently we’re not supposed to hate Nazis, because, “ And maybe, just maybe, they will change their ways if we don’t kill them.”
WHAT IF THEY DON’T CHANGE?!
What then? When the boot comes to kick in your door and drag you off to the rebuilt gas chamber or mass grave, will you be begging them to be nice, because you know that they have a lover and a family, and you’re human too?
Kill all Nazis.