Remembering the late James von Brunn — and especially my radio show debate (really duel) with FOX host Alan Colmes
I was thinking of Jim von Brunn today, 26 months after he went into the Holocaust Museum, guns blazing. I was one of the very few people he spoke in the two weeks before, to everyone’s shock, he did his bloody deed.
My LIVE RADIO SHOW WITH ALAN COLMES OF FOX NEWS (A RUPERT MURDOCH PUPPET STATION)
(FULL TRANSCRIPT OF THE SHOW IS BELOW)
http://reasonradionetwork.com/downloads/_misc/JdN_20090616_AlanColmes.mp3
I was on NBC, CBS, and ABC, discussing this case, and the interviews were picked up by the CBC in Canada and the BBC in Britain.
On NBC Nightly News
They had no idea that, as the WASHINGTON CITY PAPER of the week of April 22, 1993, reported in depth, I was the WN who organized (in cooperation with the National Park Service, which runs the National Mall) and ran a 30-man protest against the Holocaust Museum when it was being inaugurated, provoking both President Bill Clinton and Chaim Herzog, the President of Israel, to depart from their prepared remarks to make references to my group of protestors, who were yelling “The Holocaust is a fraud! The Holocaust is a lie!”
WE Americans paid $50 million in tax money for a “U.S. Holocaust Museum” to commemorate 1) a holocaust that never happened and 2) even if it had, it was not part of US history and it did not happen on US soil! So why is the US taxpayer funding it and why is it on the Mall in Washington DC?
Boy, the Jews were not happy with all the coverage in 2009.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rachel-sklar/media-gives-hate-mongerin_b_215781.html
Rachel Sklar
Mediaite/Charitini
Posted: June 12, 2009 02:45 PM
Media Gives Hate-Mongering White Supremacist Airtime, Facetime and Helpful PR
This is unbelievable.
In last night’s “NBC Nightly News,” Pete Williams had a segment on the Holocaust Museum shooter, James von Brunn, and they presented a guy by the name of John de Nugent to attest to his pre-shooting mental state. Which John de Nugent, you ask?
Photo by Pittsburgh Post-Gazette 2009
This one - the one who thinks that white men and women should “take back their honor”; the one who says that “When Jews attack and lie, I must be doing my job very well“; the one who thought he should be president and wrote this on his “John de Nugent for President” page: “You will notice my outreach to blacks, appealing to their self-interest. We don’t need a race war with blacks triggered by the Jews who are stage-managing Obama and may yet murder him to start a race war.” Oh. That John de Nugent.
Before I go to the set-up of de Nugent’s highly important contributions to the #1 nightly news show in America, watched by millions, here’s what he thinks of Ben Bernanke:
“Ben Bernanke, the Jew who controls all U.S. money in a nation that is 98% non-Jewish.”
(He’s got similar opinions about Jews Michael Mukasey and Michael Chertoff.)
Here’s what he thinks of the whole lot of ‘em: “Do you know your real masters? These leaders of the J-Team, the Jewish power-brokers, run the USA regime of fear — and tell their puppets — Bush, the slick-jiving Obamanation and Cain — what to say and what never to discuss in public about their power and crimes.”
Hmm. Do YOU think he’s a credible source?
NBC did – and so, apparently, did ABC, CBS, WaPo, Bloomberg, AP and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Here’s how he was set-up on NBC Nightly News:
Pete Williams, after introducing von Brunn’s writings, which included comments like “The Holocaust was a lie. Obama was created by Jews” and “Obama does what his Jew-owners tell him to,” then said “A white separatist who talked with him just two weeks ago said Brunn never mentioned President Obama and was worried about money.” Visual: Video of de Nugent speaking at a podium; front page of de Nugent’s website. Then cut to de Nugent himself, suit and tie before a cityscape backdrop – just like any expert! – with “White Separatist” chyroned beneath him, as official-looking as if he were Chuck Todd.
DEEP BREATH.
Why would they give this guy a platform? Did they not read his website?
[2009 banner]
Did they not understand his mission? I get that de Nugent was someone who could speak to von Brunn’s mental state, but what about his mental state? Your “experts” have to be credible. Can wereally trust someone who writes about the “J-Team, Jewish power-brokers” as presidential puppeteers to be honest about his buddy who wrote about how “Obama does what his Jew-owners tell him to?” IS THERE MAYBE A CREDIBILITY ISSUE HERE?
There sure is – and if you don’t believe me, well then, take it from John de Nugent himself, courtesy of this crowing, trumphant post on his blog:
My media approach on the Von Brunn/guard tragedy”
My media approach on the Von Brunn/guard tragedy
Dear comrades,
I am sure you are aware of the James von Brunn situation. At least I was able to turn some bad PR lemons into lemonade last night and yesterday, and I got to 1) explain how understandable white anger is, and 2) how Obama needs to assuage heightened white fears about gun and speech control or he will, by everything he does, provoke even more incidents.
I was interviewed at length by ABC Good Morning America, ABC Nightly News, the CBS Early Show, Fox News (Sheppard Smith Report), NBC Nightly News, the Washington Post, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Bloomberg, and Associated Press.
Congratulations, MSM! Good job on helping this crazy, vile man turn those bad PR lemons into lemonade!
Deep breath again.
Look – as a journalist, media critic and lawyer (AND JEW, I’M SURE DE NUGENT WOULD POINT OUT!), I understand that the goal is to collect the most useful and relevant information, however repugnant the source. But in every case, you have to evaluate the credibility of that source. Is the information verifiable? Is their self-interest implicated? Would they have any compelling reason to spin, misrepresent or lie – and do you have any way of ascertaining that? In this case, the answers are clear: No, the information is not verifiable – the networks and papers were going only on de Nugent’s word. Yes, his self-interest was implicated – his mission seems pretty consistent with that of von Brunn’s, based on their assorted writings. Yes, he had a compelling reason to spin, misrepresent or lie – put it this way, if von Brunn and he had been chatting about how terrible the Jews were and how someone really should do something about it, do you think he would have said so? I sure as hell don’t.
Hell. Now that’s a more appropriate place for this racist, anti-Semitic hatemonger than splashed across NBC Nightly News – or ABC, CBS, AP, WaPo, Bloomberg or any other so-called “credible” news source. Check your facts, people – and your sources.
Related:
VIDEO: Holocaust Museum To Reopen Friday [NBC Nightly News]
Holocaust Museum Attack Is an Excellent Media Opportunity For Deranged Racists[Gawker]
Rachel Sklar is the Editor-at-Large of Mediaite.com, a soon-to-launch multi-media website all about media. Get a preview of Mediate on Twitter here, and follow Rachel on Twitter here.
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Now, this is a recycling of my January 2010 blog.
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Solutrea — to prevent more von Brunn tragedies
by JOHN DE NUGENT on JANUARY 6, 2010[EDIT]
I was saddened to hear just now of the death of James von Brunn in federal custody, and I told the Associated Press reporter who called me yesterday that “now we will never know the whole story of what really happened.”
I don’ feel like reviewing the dismal story, in which both an innocent black security guard at the Washington DC Holocaust Museum, Stephen Johns, a family man, was killed, and Mr. von Brunn as well, after six months, from his wounds and from old age, at 89.
I only remember him from a few phone conversations as an idealistic yet angry and bitter older man — and fiercely anti-Christian — who was petrified that Whites would not wake up in time. I had heard he was unhappy staying with his liberal son, and offered him to stay with us for a spell. I can assure you that had he said yes, the June 2009 tragedy at the museum would never have happened.
In particular, Mr. von Brunn was furious at Jews for running and ruining our nation. So what is the point of shooting a black man?
Fate decided that on the very day that he died, the transcript of the Alan Colmes radio show last June 6th [2009] where I discussed the James von Brunn case and white preservationism — was being finished by a bright young Eternal Solutrean volunteer named Greg, who spent manyhours typing out my and Alan Colmes’ fast and furious debate. You’ll see — the fur was flying.
Here it is now, this sophisticated slugfest with one of the most quick-witted Jews on radio or TV today, and after that come some remarks by others about the debate and my own comments on my strategy.
As for James von Brunn, let me say this: he tried by his act to strike a symbolic blow against the enemy of our people. I believe he harmed our cause as well as taking an innocent life. But I respect at least this — his courageous willingness, and that of any man, to sacrifice his life for his ideals, as I respect any man of any race or cause, including even Martin Luther King, who knew he was about to be assassinated and spoke of it — and in fact was killed the day after his fateful “Mountaintop” speech in Memphis in 1968.
And now, as the late James von Brunn, decorated PT boat captain in WWII, an accomplished writer and painter, and angry gunman, passes into history — may God judge his soul — here is both the transcript and the mp3 audiofile of my battle with the Jewish media host Alan Colmes over him, over Jewish guilt in America’s crisis, and over our sacred cause, white survival.
Jim, I wish you had been a Solutrean. This will be a long twilight struggle — with the other Tribe.
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ALAN COLMES SHOW June 16, 2009 with guest John de Nugent
TRANSCRIPT (worth listening to!)
http://reasonradionetwork.com/downloads/_misc/JdN_20090616_AlanColmes.mp3
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COLMES: I’m Alan Colmes, I want to welcome John de Nugent to our microphone. He is a white separatist, and had some dealings with the man who shot at the Holocaust Museum, von Brunn, James von Brunn. Mr. de Nugent, thank you for coming on.
JDN: Thank you very much! Bonsoir à mes camarades francophones, {“Good evening to my French-speaking comrades”], Guten Abend allen deutschsprachigen Kameraden [same in German], Buenas tardes a todos los camaradas españoles [and in Spanish]. That was a greeting to my Solutrean comrades all around the world in French, German, and Spanish, and I greet you too, Alan Colmes, and I’m very glad you’re no longer working with that windbag, Sean Hannity.
COLMES: Well, first of all, let’s leave him out of it. I’m so delighted to hear a white separatist immerse himself in such multiculturalism, it’s, uh, fantastic.
JDN: [Laughs] Well these are all Aryan languages. When Mexican [mestizo]s speak Spanish in this country, they should be speaking Aztec, but they are using the advanced white language of Spain because Spain brought an advanced culture to Mexico.
COLMES: Uh – huh, well let’s get a few things straight here, first of all, I know that you use the term “white separatist” and not “white supremacist.” I know that’s a big issue for you –
JDN: It is.
COLMES: – if you are a white separatist, that means you would like to be separate from the other races, probably because you think whites are superior??
JDN: Oh, absolutely! The fact is that most races are white supremacists because everywhere in the world people are streaming, by millions of immigrants, into every white country they can. They are getting into shipping containers, they are getting into the wheel wells of 747 jets, they are crawling through the deserts of Mexico to get out of their Third World country
— to get into Germany, Sweden, Russia, France, Canada, Australia, so all these non-white people themselves are white supremacists.
COLMES: My point is, if you think being white is better, wouldn’t that make you a white supremacist, and not just a white separatist?
JDN: No, not at all, because you’re talking about a slave owner sipping his mint julep while the black folks work out in the fields. We totally reject that. We want the same thing that Jewish people wanted, such as Theodore Hertzl, and you’re Jewish, they wanted a separate homelandwhere they would be safe from persecution. And that was the Zionist dream. I am an Aryan Zionist, I want a place where there can be White Heritage and Safety Zones where we will toil in our own fields, we will do our own back-breaking labor, we will raise our own kids, and we will have local control of our TV, and our music, and our movies, and police, and our economy, and we will control who immigrates –
COLMES: I’ve got a white-only area for you, the Republican party! Just kidding, that was a little joke there, but –
Romney voters in 2012
JDN: Well, actually, you know, the fact of the matter is [that] the Republican Party is the closet white party in this country. If they would recognize this fact, then they would be victorious.
COLMES: Alright, but if you believe in white culture, just to settle this part of the issue for a second, if you believe in white culture being supreme, if you believe it’s better being white, that whites have it over others –
JDN: No, it’s better for white people to be white! [laughs]
COLMES: You want to be separate because you think you are better than people who are of other backgrounds and cultures, and that level of pride would indicate that separatism is very close to supremacism, although you don’t like to call it that obviously.
JDN: Now, why do you Jews call yourselves “the Chosen People”?
COLMES: Well, I’ll tell you why, and I’m not particularly comfortable with that, uh –
JDN: But you do.
COLMES: phrase. Well, I don’t call myself — by the way I love when you call me “you Jews” — but uh, I uh –
JDN: Aren’t you Jewish?
COLMES: I am, but I’m not “you Jews.” My name is Alan. However –
JDN: Oh, I see.
COLMES: I — the Chosen People means –
JDN: God chose you, or you say God chose you.
COLMES: No, that’s not what I’m saying,.You’re answering me a question that I’m about to answer you. The Chosen People means that in many instances God has chosen Jews to suffer.God chose Jews to be persecuted. God chose Jews to go through all kinds of problems and suffering and survive in spite –
JDN: Oh, “persecutions”?
COLMES: Yes, in spite of the fact that they have gone through things like the Holocaust and have gone through all kinds of — and thrown out of almost every country they’ve gone to –
JDN: Well, why is it that no — you know, I had a girl in Junior High School –
COLMES: Good for you.
JDN: And I was acting like a jerk. and she said to me, “Oh sure, John, you’re right and all the world’s wrong!” Well, why is it that Jews have been expelled from every country they’ve ever entered?
COLMES: Bigotry.
JDN: Oh bigotry — so the whole world is wrong and the Angelic Jews…. Let me ask you about some Jews, and I think you should –
COLMES: By the way, it’s great to be a guest on your show. Go ahead, keep asking me questions.
JDN: Well, I’ve been on the radio plenty myself, so as –
COLMES: Go ahead. I love being a guest on your program.
JdN on WXPI-TV in Pittsburgh discussing von Brunn
JDN: [laughs] OK, I would like you, as an honest Jewish person — I admire a lot of your journalism, and puncturing of Sean Hannity –
COLMES: I’m not “puncturing” anybody, I’m not even a journalist I’m a talkshow host, but go ahead.
JDN: And you were a stand-up comedian when you started. I know; I’ve read.
COLMES: Oh so you did a little googl[ing] –
JDN: Yes I Wikipedia’d you. But I think the Jewish people should take some responsibility for the people who have caused the global depression we are entering now, the sub-prime mortgage phenomena was invented by a French Jew; then Barney Franks failed to oversee the sub-prime mortgage crisis –
COLMES: Of course, the Jew, the Jew Barney Franks –
JDN: Bernard Madoff stole fifty billion dollars –
COLMES: Let’s just single out the Jews.
JDN: Goldman –
COLMES: Let’s just single out the Jews.
JDN: I am – because they are the reason why this man [von Brunn ] snapped the other day.
COLMES: Look, it’s great –
JDN: Goldman Sachs….
COLMES: Wait a minute, you’re talking about the man — let’s get back, hold on for just one second, first of all, welcome to the Jew media –
JDN: [laughs]
COLMES: The man who snapped the other day, the man with whom you’ve had contact, James von Brunn, snapped because of the Jews?
JDN: There is a tremendous realization, as you see an endless parade of Jewish Wall Street names with mega-meltdowns on Wall Street, for example, Hank Greenberg, who –
COLMES: Oh another Jew! That’s a Jew name isn’t it?
JDN: Oh, Greenberg sorry, Greenberg’s Irish, my mistake –
COLMES: Well it has Green in it –
JDN: [laughs] Well he took a lot of green – and the US tax payer is paying one hundred and fifty billion dollars –
COLMES: Well it’s interesting that you, that you — like to single out the Jews as if nobody else was running the country — we didn’t have Bush in office, we didn’t have Cheney in office –
JDN: They merely –
COLMES: It’s only the Jews who are the problem. But let me, let’s get to the issue at hand here. How well did you know, and on what level did you interact with James von Brunn?
JDN: I started receiving his e-mails about two years ago/ You know, suddenly you [get an] email and somebody’s sending you stuff; I never met the man, I’ve talked to him three or four times. I’ve called him a couple of times over the last six months; the last time was maybe two and a half weeks ago,
COLMES: What would you guys talk about?
JDN: Well, we talked about strategies for white survival, and he wasn’t talking any kind of violent talk, and I didn’t even read all of his emails, but I was concerned at the very end because there was a violent tone to his emails, and what alarmed me a little bit — but then I thought, maybe it’s nothing — was, he’d given away his computer. And for a man with a website and e –mail, –
COLMES: So you’ve — he was planning to do something?
JDN: Well, looking back now, I realize it, but I also thought he was like just so many other people… I had so many persons tell me: “I don’t even watch the news anymore, it’s so depressing, it’s all rigged and I can’t do anything about it.”
I thought he was [just] burned out and he didn’t want to bother himself — I mean, he was 89. Maybe he would try to enjoy life. And uh, then when I saw the news on the Internet, “Elderly Man/Holocaust Museum” I said “Oh my God,” and that’s what he did.
Now, something like this was wrong — and by the way now, the facts on this are very murky, because I have right on my website democratic-republicans.us, you can go to my blog, and there was a young girl who was interviewed by CNN and she said that she saw one security guard shoot the other guard [Stephen Johns].
COLMES: I see, so it is your, and I’ve read what you’ve written about this, it’s your contention that your acquaintance, Mr. von Brunn, did not shoot the guard, but that it was friendly fire that killed the guard?
JDN: Well, it’s possible — I mean, friendly fire does happen, in other words –
COLMES: Well, it sounds like you’re making excuses for him.
JDN: No, I’m not at all, because if he did it, well look, he went in with a gun, either to shoot a Jewish person or to shoot a black person or something. I condemn everything from the moment he got in that car with that gun — he was a convicted felon, shouldn’t have even had a gun — everything he did was wrong, and it was wrong to that poor black man who was a family man, he had children; it was wrong for –
COLMES: Do you believe that he did not kill that black man?
JDN: I think we’ll have to wait to find out –
COLMES: You’re not sure that he killed him?
JDN: No, I think it’s murky, like the Kennedy Assassination. Who really believes the Warren Cmmission report?
COLMES: Well, I think there may be some eyewitnesses here, but, so you don’t believe his intent was to go to the Holocaust Museum and shoot anybody?
JDN: Well, I think, I believe it’s possible his intent was –
COLMES: He wasn’t going there to see the exhibits, right?
JDN: No, in 1981 he tried to arrest the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System –
COLMES: Correct, and he was arrested for kidnapping.
JDN: Right, and he did six and a half years.
COLMES: Yes, of a twelve year sentence.
JDN: This was a man who did not harm anybody the first time, now, it’s possible he went in there to abduct some of the Jewish officials at this so-called Holocaust Museum –
COLMES: So an 89-year-old guy with a gun goes into the Holocaust Museum and thinks he’s going to abduct Jewish officials?
JDN: Well, I don’t know. The facts of the matter is that the man was at the end of his tether, he had his Social Security cut in half by the government, he felt, in retaliation for his website. An awful lot of white people are afraid to speak their mind –
COLMES: Are you suggesting he was justified?
JDN: No, not at all. In fact it was not only morally wrong, but it was a catastrophe for the cause of white safety, because it makes us all look like we’re violent hotheads.
COLMES: It doesn’t do your cause much justice, does it?
JDN: All I can say is, he was a World War II vet, he was a captain on a PT boat just like John Kennedy, he fought for his country –
Artist sketch of James von Brunn at his hearing in September 2009
COLMES: I don’t think he was much like John Kennedy; he may have been a PT boat captain.
JDN: Well John Kennedy was a rabid antisemite as I’m sure you –
COLMES: No, no, no, there’s no evidence of that –
JDN: In his diary, he said Hitler was a great man. [http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n3p30_Kennedy.html;
Institute for Historical Review
Kennedy's 1945 Visit to Germany
In late July and early August 1945, just weeks after the end of the war in Europe, the 28-year-old John F. Kennedy visited war-devastated Germany. Accompanying him on this tour was US Navy Secretary James Forrestal (whom President Truman later appointed as the first Secretary of Defense).
Kennedy recorded his experiences and observations in a diary that was not made public until just a few years ago. (It was published under the title Prelude to Leadership: The European Diary of John F. Kennedy, Summer 1945 [Washington, DC: Regnery, 1995].)
These diary entries show the youthful Kennedy’s wide-ranging curiosity and eye for telling detail — attributes that were also manifest in his two best-selling books, While England Slept (1940) and Profiles in Courage. Earlier in 1945, he had attended the opening session of the United Nations organization in San Francisco, and had visited Britain to view the parliamentary election campaign, covering both events as a journalist for the Hearst newspaper chain.
In Berlin, Kennedy noted upon his arrival there on July 28, “The devastation is complete. Unter den Linden [boulevard] and the streets are relatively clear, but there is not a single building which is not gutted. On some of the streets the stench — sweet and sickish from dead bodies — is overwhelming.” For the Berlin population, he reported, “The basic ration is 1 1/2 pounds a day — approximately 1,200 calories (2,000 considered by the health authorities for normal diet — the ration is only 900 calories in Vienna).”
Kennedy made several diary references to the ferocity of the Soviet Russian occupation of Germany. “The Russians moved in with such violence at the beginning — stripping factories and raping women — that they alienated the German members of the Communistic Party, which had some strength in the factories.”
“Raping and looting” by Soviet troops “was general,” Kennedy also reported. “What they didn’t take, they destroyed.” Elsewhere he wrote: “The Russians have pretty well plundered the country, have been living off it … The Russians have been taking all the able-bodied men and women and shipping them away.”
Lieutenant John Fitzgerald Kennedy, US Navy
His father was very antisemitic:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Sr. section “Kennedy’s Arrant Anti-Semitism”
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He also took note of the impact of the devastating British-American air attacks: “According to our naval experts, the bombing of Germany was not effective in stopping their production, and production increased three-fold during 1942-1944.” Right until the end, Kennedy also reported, an adequate food distribution was maintained in the German capital: “The feeding in Berlin was extremely well organized, even in the most severe blitz.”
Ordinary Germans, he reported at another point, “did not realize what was going on in the concentration camps.”
Kennedy and Forrestal also visited Bremen, an important north German industrial and commercial center, and a major port city. As Kennedy reported, the Russians were not the only occupation forces to carry out wide-scale looting in Germany: “The British had gone into Bremen ahead of us — and everyone was unanimous in their description of British looting and destruction, which had been very heavy. They had taken everything which at all related to the sea — ships, small boats, lubricants, machinery, etc.”
He also noted misdeeds of US troops. “Americans looted town [Bremen] heavily on arrival,” he wrote. “People do not seem to realize,” he added, “how fortunate they have been in escaping the Russians. As far as looting the homes and the towns, however, the British and Americans have been very guilty.”
In Bremen, Kennedy wrote, the Germans’ diet “is about 1,200 calories — ours being 4,000.” In spite of everything, “none of the [American] officers and men here seem to have any particular hate for the Germans.”
Kennedy met and spoke with US Navy officials in Bremen. Because he had been commander of an American torpedo boat in the Pacific — the famous PT-109 — he had a special interest in the German counterpart — the Schnellboot or “E boat.” After looking into the matter in some detail, Kennedy concluded that the German version was “far superior to our PT boat.”
Hitler’s Place in History
After Bremen and Bremerhaven, Kennedy and Forrestal flew to Bavaria, where they visited the town of Berchtesgaden and then drove up to Hitler’s mountain retreat, which was “completely gutted, the result of an air attack from 12,000 pound bombs by the R.A.F. [British air force] in an attempt on Hitler’s life.” They then ascended to Hitler’s “Eagle’s Nest” lair high in the mountains.
Just after this visit, Kennedy wrote a remarkable commentary in his diary, dated August 1, 1945, about Hitler and his place in history:
After visiting these places, you can easily understand how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived.
He had boundless ambition for his country which rendered him a menace to the peace of the world, but he had a mystery about him in the way that he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him. He had in him the stuff of which legends are made.
Less than a year after this European tour, Kennedy was elected to Congress in Massachusetts, beginning a political career that took him to the White House, and which ended suddenly with his death on November 22, 1963.
For more on the Jewish war against the Kennedys, see: http://www.democratic-republicans.us/john-de-nugent-for-sheriff-of-armstrong-county-pennsylvania/wikipedia-on-shapiro-and-numec
COLMES: And it sounds to me that you’re trying to justify some of your own views by tying in John F. Kennedy, now, come on.
JDN: In fact, John F. Kennedy, if you go to my website, democratic-republicans.us –
COLMES: [laughing] I think that’s enough about the website…..
JDN: You’ll find out more about the fact that there is a strong, strong body of thought that says that Israel killed John F. Kennedy –
COLMES: Well, you say a body of thought, I mean, a body of thought among white separatists perhaps, but not a body of thought among mainstream journalists, so let’s consider the source here, which would be you.
JDN: Half the country doesn’t even believe what’s in the mainstream media, they go to the Internet and on the Internet you’ll find –
COLMES: The Internet is the mainstream media.
JDN: The Internet is now full of truth.
COLMES: Right, well there’s lots of stuff on the Internet. Now, we’re going to take a quick break, and we’ll come back with John de Nugent. Uh, that’s a German name right?
JDN: [laughs] pronounces French style] “de Nuzhaw,” monsieur.
Castle St. John of Nogent-le-Rotrou, Normandy, France
Nogent in France
COLMES: Oh, it’s a French, a French name.
JDN: Yes.
COLMES: Alright, he is a white separatist — are you a member of any of these groups, don’t you post on Stormfront, that vicious anti-black, anti- –
JDN: I was banned from Stormfront, I was banned from Stormfront.
COLMES: Why is that?
JDN: I was banned from Stormfront after I was defamed as a “homosexual” – and I objected strongly to that.
[My thread "Apocalypse of the Psychopaths" had over 264,00 views when Stormfront owner Don Black closed it. His son Derek recently rebelled against his father, denounced White Nationalism, and wrote a letter to the enemy SPLC apologizing for his racism views]
COLMES: Are you a homosexual?
JDN: [laughs] I was molested as a child. There is nothing I loathe more than homosexuality — although I don’t hate homosexuals –
COLMES: You loathe them — but are you gay yourself?
JDN: [laughs] I’ve been married twice and have two children, so I don’t know, you can sleuth that out.
Family photo 2007 — I am upper left, Ingrid Irigoyen née Nugent is in front of the Doberman; my fiancée is on the right
COLMES: No, I’m just wondering, since you brought it up, are you gay or not?
JDN: Am I gay? “Gay” means “happy”…
COLMES: Are you a homosexual?
JDN: No, I’m not a homosexual.
COLMES: Alright, we’ll come right back with John de Nugent, 877-4-ALAN.
COLMES: [Hebrew wedding clarinet music Hava Nagila is playing] Hey John, do you want to sing along? Hava Nagila, Hava Nagila …..you’re not singing!
JDN: You’re a good pillpul-er [Talmudic debater] there Alan, you’re a good debater.
COLMES: Don’t you want to sing Hava Nagila with me?
JDN: Hah, actually, it’s a beautiful song. I’ve actually inadvertently dated two Jewish girls –
COLMES: “Inadvertently” being the key word.
JDN: Well, it wasn’t fair to their religion. It’s forbidden in the Jewish religion to marry outside of your religion –
COLMES: Oh really? Because I’m married to a Catholic woman… Does that mean –
JDN: Well you’re a bad Jew, you’re a bad Jew.
COLMES: Having you call me a bad Jew is a badge of honor.
JDN: Well the fact of the matter is, every rabbi says, and I agree with them, that there should be no assimilation because the Jewish people will [otherwise] disappear, and what we want is for the white people around the world to be proud of their heritage and –
COLMES: I can’t get you to sing Hava Nagila a little bit with me?
JDN: Well my fiancée has a beautiful voice…..
John, Margaret, Paul Fromm of Canada and Evan Thomas of Michigan
COLMES: Oh you’re married, I mean engaged rather –
JDN: I can put her on the phone –
COLMES: That’s alright. Here is a comment you made when you posted to enationalist.com. You said “Our comments on this shooting,” [and] you said this about the shooting at the museum,
“[We] must place the onus where it belongs, on the menace that Barack Obama,” actually you refer to him as Barack Hussein Obama, “and his terrifying Jewish clique represent to many millions of law-abiding white people, and it is the real threat of Obama that is driving more and more sincere whites to snap and take wrong and desperate measures.”
That sounds like you’re blaming Barack Obama for what von Brunn allegedly did?
JDN: I absolutely am blaming this Barack Hussein Obama, who cannot even produce a birth certificate –
COLMES: Oh stop it, don’t go off into crazyland! His birth certificate has been provided by the State of Hawaii –
JDN: No it hasn’t, only a computer print out –
COLMES: Let’s not even go there – because that’s not even the point of this interview and it’s so far out of the mainstream it is ridiculous.
JDN: Oh, no it’s not. Everybody in Pennsylvania’s heard of it –
COLMES: Yeah, they’ve heard about it, you’re in La-La-Land with that, sir.
JDN: Well, it’s just like when we had integration in the Sixties, which you, and Abby Hoffman, and Jerry Reuben, and all your Jewish friends –
COLMES: All my Jewish friends?
JDN: We would have a “racial paradise” –
COLMES: In fact, Jerry and I would get together and sing Hava Nagila on a nightly basis.
JDN: And then the “Chosen People” agreed that America should be integrated. We would be a happy paradise.
COLMES: Wait a minute, we’re getting off the beaten path here.
JDN: Oh, you don’t like my path?
COLMES: No no no, well, I don’t like your path at all, but how is it that Barack Obama is somehow culpable in the alleged act of James von Brunn?
JDN: Because first of all he has lied about everything! He promised change –
COLMES: What does that — how does that cause a guy to go shoot at a Holocaust Museum?
JDN: Because everything about him is one big lie.
COLMES: How is that responsible for a man taking a gun and shooting a guard in the Holocaust Museum?
JDN: He sat there for 20 years in the pew while from the pulpit the Reverend Jeremiah Wright said “God daaaamn America.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH5ixmT83JE
COLMES: Wait a second, and that is why James von Brunn took a gun to the Holocaust Museum, because of Barack Obama sitting in a pew?
JDN: In a black nationalist church –
COLMES: And that’s why a guy takes a gun to the Holocaust Museum?
JDN: Because people who are educating themselves realize he is a black nationalist, he is ananti-white racist –
COLMES: Wait, that makes it okay that von Brunn did what he allegedly did?
JDN: What Barack Obama needs to do is he needs to calm white fears about him, which areomnipresent in our nation –
COLMES: Wait a minute, if there’s so much white fear about Barack Obama, how did he get elected?
JDN: He got elected, first of all, well, only 32% of white people voted for him, and now it’s probably only 25%.
COLMES: You know, so..it’s Barack Obama’s fault that von Brunn did whatever he did?
JDN: We get no choices every four years! We get two puppets, we get two white-skinned puppets, and now we get a white skinned and a –
COLMES: So in other words it’s not the white supremacist or the white, in your case “separatist” movement, or people like Stormfront or you know, those other websites, or the hatred or separatism put forth by your groups, had nothing to do with it –it was Barack Obama that caused this man to do what he did.
JDN: Everywhere I go around the United States, and I give speeches all over, white people are terrified of this man because he breaks his word. He promised change and there’s been nochange except shoveling more money to Jewish billionaires –
COLMES: But you’re not answering my question. I want it to be very clear that you are stating that Barack Obama is personally responsible for what this guy did.
JDN: Barack Obama needs to address the fear –
COLMES: No no no, yes or no, Barack Obama’s responsible for what this guy –
JDN: Why, are you some sort of prosecutor, “yes or no”?
COLMES: Yes, I’m prosecuting you.
JDN: No, I’ll answer your twisted questions the way I want to answer them.
COLMES: What’s twisted about asking you a very simple question? “Is Barack Obama responsible for what James von Brunn did?” Yes or no? That’s not twisted.
JDN: The direct decision was by this individual I’ve never met, James von Brunn, and very few people who are in the white survival movement are violent. I would tell you of one thousand people in the white survival movement — I’ve been in this movement for 31 years — the crime rate is ten times higher among big city blacks than among white nationalists.
One estimate is that 860,000 White people in America have been murdered since 1900 by Blacks, and that the KKK lynched 3600 Blacks for rape and murder.
COLMES: You don’t like black people, obviously –
JDN: Actually, I like black people, I don’t want black people to invade my neighborhood, destroymy schools –
COLMES: Who do you dislike more, blacks or Jews?
JDN: I believe that black people have a wonderful joie de vivre [French: “ability to enjoy life”], they have gifts. Jewish people have gifts — science, music, money making. Music also, by the way…
COLMES: Who do you like — who do you hate more, blacks or Jews?
JDN: Well, I don’t know, lets ask that question to Baruch Goldstein – [Goldstein gunned down 29 Palestinians while praying in the second-holiest mosque in Islam, the Dome of the Rock, on February 25, 1994, on the Jews' infamous Purim Day. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein): “Israeli press reports stated that Goldstein refused to treat non-Jews, even those serving in the IDF, [Israeli “Defense” Forces], and this was reflected in comments by his acquaintances.”]
COLMES: Can’t I get one direct answer to a simple question — do you like blacks or Jews more?
JDN: For different things –
COLMES: Let me put it this way, if you had a black or a Jew live next to you, one or the other move next door, which would you prefer?
JDN: As long as he’s peaceful, a black person.
COLMES: Why would you prefer a black person move next door to you to a Jew?
JDN: Because a black person will not try to take over my life.
COLMES: But a Jewish neighbor will?
JDN: Jewish people –
COLMES: What are you, afraid you might be invited to a Shabbos [Sabbath] dinner or what?
JDN: Jewish people take over our economy, they take over Wall Street, they take over ourmovies, they take over our music. [Former president] Jimmy Carter said they’ve taken over our foreign policy –
[General discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_lobby_in_the_United_States]
COLMES: Yes, so in other words, if a Jew lived next door, you’re afraid they would take over your house, or…
JDN: In fact, Alan Dershowitz boasted that he kept Jimmy Carter off of the platform at the Democratic National Convention, a Nobel Prize Winner, President of the United States, he boasted of his power.
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[http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4483797
“In an interview with Shalom TV, the Harvard Law School professor says he "pushed" Barack Obama "very hard to make that decision," Dershowitz said in an interview with Shalom TV. "Barack Obama had to make a choice between his Jewish supporters and his anti-Israel supporters like Jimmy Carter, and he did not choose Jimmy Carter. And that was an embarrassment for Jimmy Carter and a show of disrespect.....It was a good decision, a wise decision, a moral decision," Dershowitz added. Carter did appear in the convention hall after a video of the former prersident helping with Katrina relief was shown at the Denver gathering. But he did not make any remarks from the podium.]
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COLMES: So you’d rather have a black next door to you than a Jew –
JDN: Don’t you remember that, that Alan Dershowitz boasted, he kept the President of the United States ,Jimmy Carter –
COLMES: We’re going to take a quick break. We’ll open up our phones when we get back. [...] We’ll come back, get you a nice brisket, John de Nugent, white separatist, in correspondence with James von Brunn at one point […]
[“Beef Brisket” is a cut of meat from the breast or lower chest made popular by Ashkenazi/European Jews. Brisket is a popular Jewish holiday main course usually served at Rosh Hashannah, Passover, and Shabbat.]
COLMES: I’m Alan Colmes, white separatist John de Nugent is with us….Before we get to our phones here [...] you want a white separate economy, a white separate government in general…. If you’re not going to get it politically, would you achieve it by force?
JDN: Oh we definitely want to achieve it politically. Look, the seven great states of the Confederacy with two great generals — well, three, Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, Nathan Bedford Forrest –
COLMES: Yeah, they’re all dead.
JDN: They tried to break away. We have no intention of having a show of force with the Federal Government, even though it has become a tyranny. What I want is a standoff where the Federal Government guarantees “We will not touch the First Amendment (freedom of speech); we will not touch the Second Amendment” — our God-given right to own guns and have ammunition for them, which the Constitution merely recognized –
COLMES: Do you know that, given the fact that we have our first African-American president, you know, we’re moving in a very different direction than the one you’re prescribing for America, what –
JDN: Well he’s [Obama's] a very bright man…. he’s also half-white
COLMES: That’s nice of you to say. What expectation do you have that your political goals will be achieved any time soon?
JDN: Well, I ran for Congress in 1990, in the Sixth Congressional District of Tennessee – [seehttp://democratic-republicans.us/jdn/wikipedia_biography_john_de_nugent/ Scroll down to “1990 Tennessee Republican primary for US Congress“]
COLMES: As a Republican…
JDN: Yeah, although they disavowed me, I ran as a Republican because I’m not a hypocrite, I’m open and honest [about my racial views] –
COLMES: I understand, but my question is, what likelihood do you have of you realizing your political goals any time soon in this country?
JDN: I did very well. I think that, except for electronic voting machine fraud, I probably actually won the 1990 –
COLMES: Still, that does not answer my question –
JDN: And now the racial problem is much worse because of the Mexicans flooding in, in addition to the other problems. I believe that should I run in an overwhelmingly white area, that I can win for Congress or other high office — – and millions of white people, not only around the United States, but people in Germany, and England, and Scotland, and Canada [would support me]–
COLMES: Didn’t you say you had the goal, you want to be the President of the White Americans basically?
JDN: I would like to be known as the “President of the Americans,” because this country was founded by white people from Europe, and they built it and they sweat for it, and now that it’s been built up, all these others, the Third World peoples, have been flooding in and — –
COLMES: Now, I was born here, where should I go to live?
JDN: Well, you should go to Israel, because for two thousand years, the Jews have said “Next year in Jerusalem” – [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_in_Judaism]
COLMES: Well not every Jew has said that, but –
JDN: Oh, you’re a bad Jew, you’re admitting you’re a bad Jew –
COLMES: Oh I’m a horrible Jew, I should be banished from this country, and –
JDN: You’ve married a Catholic girl. That is illegal in Israel — it is illegal in Israel to do what you did.
[http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/more-on-israels-bar-on-intermarriage.html]
COLMES: So I’m going to be banned from this country and Israel? Where am I going to go? Would you take me in?
JDN: Okay, we’re having an interesting banter here, but let me make one serious point here — – and that is, that the Solutrean Movement has no intention of forcing all white people or anybody to do anything. We want a nationwide vote where areas that want to be “White Heritage and Safety Zones” can choose that, and white liberals who like the status quo, and black people, and Hispanics, and gays, and Jews, and everybody — if you want the status quo, or if you want to create a Black Heritage and Safety Zone, you could do it in your area — this is the opposite of Hitlerism, this is Thomas Jeffersonianism –
COLMES: What do you do if you’re Sammy Davis Jr.?
JDN: [laughs] That’s good, I like that. Sammy Davis Jr. was never fully accepted, just like Elizabeth Taylor was never accepted — you have to be born of a Jewish mother to be truly accepted — because Judaism is a racial religion, you must have a Jewish mother genetically, and you know that, Allan.
COLMES: Let’s go to our phones here, Daniel in Riverside California, with John de Nugent. Hello Daniel.
Caller: Hi, Alan!
COLMES: Yes, sir.
Caller: You know what, I love your show as always, but this guy, this guy makes me sick. He shames me for being white. My grandfather was Jewish. My grandfather died not too long ago — no, let me finish dude, you’ve been spewing your hatred for like the last ten minutes, now you let someone else talk, okay? — My grandfather fought for this country in World War II –
JDN: – to kill German white people, to kill German white people!</stron