You can read part 1 here.
After the apology in July 2008, things calmed down from Andrew. He sent a few emails, but it was nothing abusive. Mainly advice and requests.
date: Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:06 PM
subject: Insane GTA 4-esque idea (+ duplicator change) :P
I was just thinking it would be kewl if you could get automatically ejected from a vehicle/seat if it crashes into something hard enough, like in GTA 4 when you crash and go flying through the windshield, do that :P
Also it’d be awesome if the functionality of stacker and duplicator could be somehow merged….imagine being able to stack whole contraptions, like storeys in a building. Maybe you could request it yourself if you don’t feel like coding it.
After a while he noticed I wasn’t replying, or acknowledging in any way.
date: Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:08 PM
subject:
Wow….you must REALLY hate me….talk about unforgiving…..
Then it was back to business. As far as I can tell this was totally unprovoked, all I’d been doing was ignoring him.
date: Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:08 PM
subject:
How is it shit? You think hezzy’s advice is better? Why did mikfoz run away? He got tired of all the immaturity of FPS and your arrogance?
heh, I bet I AM blocked infact, contrary to what you just said, and you never get this – just like you blocked me on MSN just now, like a pussy. You are a pussy aren’t you garry? A coward. You couldn’t even argue with me back in March and July, instead you had to enlist a bunch of 12 year olds to do it for you. lol I bet I could take you in a fight too, you’d probably curl up in a little ball and start crying, “take mercy! take mercy! I’m just a little brummy pussy with no balls!”. Sad.
Also, Andy Vincent labelled ME as “unforgiving” back in July…….you’re the one who’s unforgiving. Totally intolerant by the looks of it. You deserved those personal insults both those times (not the family stuff though) because you’re such a fucking intolerant, stubborn, self-defeating, myopic cunt. You make people hate you. Is that what you want? The only people who like you are hangers-on who I bet you never even knew were your friends before you made money. Gemma for instance. Watch how quickly they run when your fortunes run out and you’ve no money left.
You know what, you deserve to fail – maybe that’s what you really want – you could be one of these people who doesn’t know how to handle success so you fuck it all up (read whitney houston, bobby brown, [mc] hammer, the list is endless) and it’s why you surround yourself with such immature dickheads. You’ll be one of those one-hit-wonders who makes this great thing that everyone loves then dissappears into obscurity. Anyway, I’ll either laugh very hard and rub it in your face when I meet you on your way down to the gutter….or just simply say “I told you so”. I give GMod no more than 2 years before you have serious competition or the visuals/physics etc just get too dated for anyone to buy it anymore.
Fool. Sad sad fool.
date: Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:32 PM
subject: My permaban
Oh, and now I no longer respect your permabanning of me. I’ll rejoin whenever the fuck I want and you cannot do a damn thing to stop it. Good luck trying to guess which new account is one of mine. If you weren’t such an asshole just now, yet again, I would have continued showing humility and not tried to rejoin. Well done. And they say Aspies have interpersonal problems.
date: Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:58 PM
subject: The surpassing of you, by me
Heh, I’m gonna be able to buy and sell you dozens of times over in the next few years, even if you don’t blow it all (which you’re 90%+ likely to do). Someone as THICK as you doesn’t offer any real long-term competition.
date: Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 12:43 AM
subject: Brummies / cancer
Why are you lot such miserable fuckers anyway?
Also is it really true that you have cancer? Cancer of the personality?
date: Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:51 PM
subject: Pulley
Why did you never fix the pulley in the end Garry? This is kinda where all this started, back in about 1924 or whenever it was….
Surely, with having access to the source code of the engine (yes?) you could do it.
date: Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:09 PM
subject: IPO
Also, I was gonna offer you cheap shares in the company when I got it all rolling and you could’ve made a fortune on when it came to IPO time, guess that won’t be happening either :P
I’ll let you know the company after I take it public. Yes, it’s a few years away, but by then you’ll need the money the most :P
I’m now singularly dedicated to proving you wrong about your underestimations of me and having a good laugh at the same time. I’m going to remind you of how much you lost by alienating me. $:)
Bye bye. $:)
Then Andrew explains why I’m getting these emails. Turns out it’s because of a thread on the forums about his previous emails. And because I’m not taking his bug reports seriously.
date: Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:13 AM
subject: Abusive emails
1) The main reason you got those mails a few days ago was because of those threads on FPS (where I’m being insulted, THREATENED, my private data is being made available, and I’m being defamed)……the threads went way beyond acceptable conduct.
2) Yes, the threads were in response to earlier emails from me……however, those emails were not in the public domain. You put them there. It was initially a private matter.
3) Those emails were an overreaction on my part, and partly based on faulty data, but they were also in response to provocative behaviour on your part.
Specifically and most importantly; ignoring my bug reports. I bought a commercial product from you, I tried to report bugs, and you either ignored my reports or retorted with sarcasm. This happened not once or twice, but repeatedly.
date: Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:30 PM
subject: DarkRP
Oh, also, by calling it “shit as fuck” a few days ago on the blog…..good way to insult PhilXYZ and all the DarkRP players. How diplomatic. How restrained. Someone like you NEEDS someone like me, to stop you from publicly putting your foot in your mouth, so often, and to stop you from undermining your own self-interest. Anyway, good luck with that, I’d much rather focus on my own enterprises.
PS you’ve got more in common with Dick Cheney than Barrack Obama I’m sorry to tell you.
Then the switch flicked again. He went back to normal unsolicited advice mode.
date: Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:01 AM
subject: 2 new products for the FPS portfolio
Garry: lalalala I’m not listening lalalalala
OK, shut up a minute and listen….
I, and others, I bet plenty of them, would be willing to pay for the source code of GMod and perhaps Facewound.
The Facewound could be sold as a kinda “Don’t do it this way folks!”, and GMod source is obviously interesting.
Maybe not right now for GMod, but later…..PAY LATER!!! /Chinese bloke in Simpsons where Lisa is US prez….
Bet VNL, Hezzy and company would never have thought of that $8-)
date: Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 4:30 AM
subject: Snowman
That snowman kicks so much ass.
This carries on for a while. Pleasantries, advice, requests.
date: Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:26 AM
subject: I’m baaaaaaaaaack
Hey you amoral piece of “liberal” shit, can you guess what my username on FPS is now and what I have planned for you and vincent? :
date: Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:36 AM
subject: Re: I’m baaaaaaaaaack
Might be time for you to get an attitude adjustment before someone ends up taking a real dislike to you and pumping a few 9mm rounds into the back of your fucking head before dumping you into a lake or something. Stop and think……….why do people have issues with you? I’m not going to do anything to you………but one day someone might, precisely because of that bad attitude.
I’m guessing here I found his account and blocked his proxy IP
date: Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:39 AM
subject: Re: I’m baaaaaaaaaack
Well done, you spotted anonymouse.org or whatever the throw-away IP was. Are you going to try blocking every proxy I throw at you?
date: Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:46 AM
subject: Re: I’m baaaaaaaaaack
You think I have 1 IP address? 1 ISP? Bottom line “mr” newman is that I promised myself a very long time ago I would never be bullied ever again. You and to a certain extent, vincent, bullied me. Now you may get to see what happens. Not a threat, just some friendly advice. You soon will be able to write lengthy volumes about “regret”.
date: Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:47 AM
subject: Re: I’m baaaaaaaaaack
1982 – 2008 =)
I could see where this was going. I replied “Go to bed big man”.
date: Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:54 AM
subject: Re: I’m baaaaaaaaaack
What’s it to you whether I sleep or not?
Reinstate my FPS account. Reinstate my access to your blog. If you really did not fake those posts on your blog, then give me the IP addresses of those who did so I can deal with it myself, if you did, then say so, and I”ll forget it.
Andrew has a recurring theme in his emails. He uses his abuse as a bargaining tool. He will stop the abuse if you do x, y and z. Anyone that has been raised properly will learn early on that negative behaviour doesn’t get you what you want.
This is obviously not something he’s been taught. He has since admitted to having aspergers, and I guess it’s tempting to blame his behaviour on that. I think that’s too easy. There are tens of thousands of people on the autistic spectrum who have played Garry’s Mod at one time of another. Only one of them has sent me this level of abuse. While I’m sure his aspergers has a part to play in this, blaming it completely is letter him off the hook.
I told him that there were no deals. That this is the same situation as last time, and I let it go, and I caved to his requests, then he started sending abusive emails again.
date: Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:59 AM
subject: Re: I’m baaaaaaaaaack
Then who the fuck did it? Too many coincidences. You can reinstate stuff or I can circumvent your quaint little blocks and add you to my enemies list. Self-destructive.
PS can you really say I haven’t given you anything over the last couple of years? I’ve bombarded you directly and indirectly (via FPS) with stuff that can help you make money, but you seem ungrateful. You prefer to have enemies than friends?
date: Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:11 PM
subject: Re: I’m baaaaaaaaaack
Typical ungrateful “liberal”, I’ve probably contributed THOUSANDS of sales of GMOD to you, but do you have any gratitude? Hell no. You “liberal” types claim to be so nice and reasonable and caring etc, yet when put to the test you display the most extreme and self-destructive kind of self-centeredness.
date: Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:15 PM
subject: Re: I’m baaaaaaaaaack
Anyway this is all very simple even for you; if you’re so smart; then why aren’t you telling me stuff about myself, address etc? Why are you so determined to piss me off? If you’re so reasonable, then why act so much like a jerk, make these fake posts etcs? Refuse to give me the IP addresses of the fake blog posters? And if you’re innocent in the fake blog postings then why won’t you tell me the IP addresses of the guilty parties or that you’re going to do something to them on my behalf? You’re a grade A unadulterated hypocritical jerk with rapidly decreasingly fortunes by the looks of it. You’re digging your grave deeper all the time, not just for yourself, but those you care about. Stop now.
date: Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:46 PM
subject: Re: I’m baaaaaaaaaack
YOU SHOULD AT LEAST REMOVE THE BULLSHIT FROM YOUR BLOG THAT IS IN MY NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DIDN’T PUT IT THERE, SO WHY SHOULD IT STAY!!!!!!!?????????????? DON’T MAKE THIS ANY WORSE FOR YOURSELF THAN IT NEEDS TO BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
date: Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 5:22 AM
subject: Re: I’m baaaaaaaaaack
When was this “last time”? I forget. Was it when I stated my opinions on the iSlab, uhm, iPhone? Not quite “insulting” is it? Just calling it how I saw it. There are better devices (Blackberry’s, XPerias, Omnias, Hell, Gameboys…uh, ok, scratch that one). Hell, I wish I was surrounded by people who were brutally honest with me, instead of having a bunch of retarded yes-men. What do you learn if people never challenge you?
date: Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:37 PM
subject: Memory
lol @ you only having 2GB RAM
date: Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 12:55 AM
subject: GMod refund
I no longer trust that it’s safe for me to use, that you or someone on your behalf, won’t be using one of those exploits against me to compromise my security, therefore the game is essentially off-limits and I want a refund.
date: Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 3:35 AM
subject: Trojanizing
But seriously; how do I know for sure that you haven’t trojanized me via GMod? For all I know you could be watching me type these words out….and listening to the mic, and stuff :o
Don’t tell me it’s technically impossible to abuse the trust priviledges most people would give hl2.exe to download malware to their systems….
This paranoia went on for a few days. And then, like magic, it went back to normal (I have no idea what he’s talking about here).
date: Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 12:59 PM
subject: Latest blog / 666
Hmmm, maybe you’re not the Antichrist after all….unless it’s just an elaborate ruse to fool the unsuspecting peons :o
And it went on for a while..
date: Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 12:41 PM
subject: :)
Do you like fishsticks?
And a while longer..
date: Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:26 AM
subject: Om nom nom
*eating cookies*
date: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:06 AM
subject: Competition of future riches
Private space station > Maldivian beach…. $:]
FutureAndy: Hurr!
Then a few days before christmas 2009 he offered me a deal.
date: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:19 AM
subject: Act of good faith
I deleted the more offensive stuff about you from my Tweets last night. Maybe something from you now?
In fact, how about you give me reason not to contact you again or use any of your sites in any way i.e. remove EVERY piece of shit about me from the blog and FPS. Hell, even lose my constructive posts, I don’t give 2 shits as long as the personal details are gone.
Of course, I get the feeling you don’t want me to go away for some reason so no doubt you’ll change nothing.
But if actually do, that’s the key. Remove the “Guess who’s back” blog (or at least the email details) and remove my email from the recent blog and where it’s mentioned a few times on the threads. I’m not saying lose the threads, just the email addresses. I can do without the fucking spam thank you.
I told him we’d already tried this earlier in the year. I’d removed his email address from a post in the forums, per his request, and then he just started requesting other things.
date: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 2:10 PM
subject: RE: Act of good faith
Why are you so stubborn and unreasonable? Do you want to have enemies or something? You need to remove that shit, not the threads, keep them, but all the personal stuff. It’d take you literally 5, 10 minutes and I’d go away forever, wouldn’t brag about it (it’s not a victory) or at least if you don’t want me to go away (WTF) then at least I’d not snipe at you, your family, friends or do anything with your websites anymore. It’s like you want this to continue or even escalate…haven’t you got better things to do than have people sniping and getting in your way?
So fair enough. Another chance. I offered:
Ok. I’ll remove whatever you want. If you promise:
Not to join, or post on any of my sites again – including but not limited to the forums, my blog, wiki, garrysmod.com, garrysmod.org
Not to contact me, my family, my girlfriends or friends
Deal?
He’d been contacting my sister and (ex) girlfriend on facebook. I can take the harassment myself, but they don’t need that shit. They’re not as thick skinned as I am.
date: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM
subject: RE: Act of good faith
Jesus H. fucking Christ, that’s all I was ever asking for and offering.
Starting right now though, because I just sent Lorna a message about 5 minutes ago on plentyoffish.com, before getting this, but nothing nasty.
3) Hell, I’ll even arrange for a knighthood for you once I get rich and powerful lol….just lose that shit pls thank you. :)
and again I reiterate my apology for the disgusting 12 hr tirade. :(
So we made the deal, I deleted threads and comments. Everyone was happy.
But then the unthinkable happened. Someone mentioned his name in a comment on my blog.
date: Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 1:46 PM
subject: Treaty aberration
Desmolas comment on blog. See attached.
I explained that the deal was that he never contact me again. He can’t be breaking the deal every time someone mentions his name.
date: Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 4:15 PM
subject: RE: Treaty aberration
lol get over yourself, I have no need or desire to interact with you, however, someone is attacking me on your blog. The deal was that I wouldn’t contact or screw with you, IF you didn’t screw with me. Allowing people to bad-mouth me on your blog (he’s also insinuating that you’re gay BTW) is 1) screwing with me 2) what started this BS in the first fucking place.
Just remove his post OR MY NAME FROM HIS POST, problem solved.
Although, ideally, why don’t you do everyone a favour and just automatically censor everything that has “andyuk” or “andy1976” or “andy76” etc etc in it’s contents? Easy. Hell, an auto-censoring system could be useful to have anyway. I was right about CAPTCHA….I’m right about this :)
The usual back and forth happened. Then someone made a twitter profile using my dead grandad’s name and started tweeting to my sister. They also made a facebook profile using my dead grandad’s name, filled with nazi and pedophile stuff, and started poking members of my family with it.
Again, I’ve got a thick skin. I can take this stuff. By my sisters and my mom don’t deal with internet trolls every day. They don’t understand why someone would do this.
So the dialog went like this.
date: Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:45 AM
subject: Cease & Desist
Mr Newman, I formally ask you to cease & desist in your proxy attacks against me now before this escalates any further.
1) The verbal attacks against me from your sites. Not just today’s on the blog, but all of them should be removed. You find them! I should not have to list anything, that’s your job!
2) Do not permit any further attacks. Auto-censor anything that mentions me if you have to!
3) Stop attacking me and encouraging others to attack me via Twitter. By mentioning me in a negative way on Twitter you’re automatically encouraging any attacks!
You have thousands of people who read your sites, so even if only a tiny percentage decide to attack me, it’s still a sizeable number….as I’ve already experienced.
This is not FPS. This is real life. If this escalates you can’t send me to a virtual “refugee camp” and act like an arbitrary dictator!
Remember, despite the IP bans I can still see everything that’s been written thanks to proxy servers etc. IP bans is not a mature or intelligent way to resolve this.
It’s very simple. Otherwise, whatever else happens, any escalation is entirely YOUR fault and now there’s further written record showing how I’ve amicably tried to resolve this.
I would like nothing better than to never have anymore dealings with you ever again, but that is impossible while you wage this bizarre and disruptive war against me and/or allow others to do so using your sites.
Me:
How the fuck is someone mentioning your name in the comments on my blog deserving of you using my dead grandad to harass me and my sister over Twitter???
I have seriously had enough of this.
Yeah, you know what, I had enough of you 2 years ago and you crossed the line, yet again, by trying to disrupt my new year with absolutely no justification whatsoever.
Now you are using Twitter to encourage “return fire” against me. You need to go to jail or lose all access to the net apparently, that is the only way you’re going to stop this abuse against me.
I am gonna call BeThere who is also your ISP and let them know how you are abusing your ISP via Twitter and your blog.
I genuinely tried to resolve this and you callously threw it back in my face. You need to stop using your sites and insane fan club as weapons against people before you ruin everything.
It is you Mr newman was ruined our agreement and who is making it worse with every passing minute.
Me:
How is me doing nothing worse than you harassing me and my family with my dead grandad?
Firstly you have no proof of anything, how do we know you’re or one of your many other victims isn’t using image, secondly someone was INSULTING me in your blog and after repeated polite requests for you to remove it, you refused. You displayed total indifference, even to the possibilty of more insulting material appearing. How is that justified?
YOU have brought anything bad that happens online to you entirely on your own shoulders! YOU started all of this “Mr” newman and YOU are continuing it!
That really is quite outrageous Mr newman and you don’t have a leg to stand on in the real world. Remember this is not FPS, but real life.
Also how do we know you’re not the one putting material on YOUR blog about me?? That is just your style it would seem!!!!
“Deal” was off when you refused to remove their comments from your blog. You had plenty of opportunities!!!!! And I shouldn’t have had to literally “beg” you into any kind of deal for you to remove harassing materials about me from your sites. You should have done this a very long time ago and compleltey automaitcally. Hell, you should never have permitted it in the first place.
YOU had multiple chances to do the right thing and instead chose to try and destroy my new year, into a new decade, how fucking dare you!? What did I do to you?
Haven’t you used your Internet access to cause me enough damage already????
If you continue this reprehensible, evil and totally unprovoked behaviour, I will not just be enlisting Bethere against you, but your webhosts and perhaps the press and perhaps legal authorities.
YOU need to see other people’s side of the issue for once and stop acting unilaterally like somekind of jumped-up psychotic little dictator. If you don’t, then someone will knock you back down to size. If not me, then someone else. There is lots of evidence that a growing volume of people think you’re totally out of control.
As I said this is REAL LIFE not FPS. You are not dictator outside of FPS!!! All of the above complaints I’m making are essentially about you being a CYBERBULLY on an absolutely massive scale, and against someone with a vulnerable health condition! YOU mr newman are responsible, not me.
YOU have used your Internet power to abuse me on and off for 2 years, acting like it was all somekind of big joke and entertainment for the more psychotic and immature of your fans and now you’ve gone too far.
YOU are the one who is completely in the wrong. You need to cease & desist before I sue you for every penny and/or have you thrown in jail and/or destroy your professional reputation. STOP NOW!!!! You’ve had enough warning!!!
Start doing the right thing immediately by removing my name from your last few tweets and from your fucking blog and whatever other dumb thing you might have done that I haven’t noticed yet. This is just gonna escalate and escalate the way you’re behaving.
You really need to get it through your skull and into your brain that, outside FPS you are not an absolute dictator. Maybe you should stop getting your legal advice from hezzy and 14 year old “facepunchers”. Try Google.
And then it was 2010. Andrew went quiet for a while and then came back nice again, like nothing had happened.
date: Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 6:28 AM
subject: Blog
This office development looks very interesting indeed, thanks for taking us on your journey with you :)
I look forward to stealing some of your i….uhhhhh….being inspired by your news and developments.
May I suggest some whiteboards next and maybe some kitcheny things; kettle, microwave etc :P
PS Hezzy smells of elephant poo.
PPS go kick some ass, fuck the naysayers man! €:)
In the whole of 2010 he only sent me about 30 emails. He didn’t contact me at all in 2011 or 2012 as far as I’m aware. He only emailed me once in 2013. Since then he’s emailed me over 4,000 times.
Next time, more harassment, different targets.
