mahigitam wrote:
Hi, I have recently been interviewed by The Generation Why podcast host on my research into the Meier case documented at www.billymeieruforesearch.com.
I have talked about when I got familiar with the case and what were my first impressions. And then my transition from a person who held positive views towards the case to being very skeptical. Also about my association/correspondence with Michael Horn and Meier/FIGU. I also discussed with the host my findings about Meier's prediction of Ice man and why it strongly indicates that Meier's contact reports have been edited out to fit the latest scientific facts. Also I talked about why the Apollo-Soyuz et al. pictures which Meier says have been photographed by him on July 1975 from on-board an ET spacecraft are obvious fakes.
Here is the link to the show:
http://thegenerationwhypodcast.com/bill … -research/
References:
Ice Man prediction
http://ufoprophet.blogspot.in/2014/09/s … 00000.html
http://ufoprophet.blogspot.in/2014/09/s … 00000.html
Apollo-Soyuz et al. pictures
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com/ph … otos-astp/
Mahigitam,
I'm surprised someone (never heard of this Generation Why show) actually bothered to interview you about the Meier case seeing as your not a professional skeptic of the case!
You got a Meier website which claims it's purpose is for -"researching and archiving both the pro & con evidence of the case" but all you ever do is talk about the few cons of the case.
Being a Meier skeptic, do you think you could be wasting your time posting here seeing as practically everyone here that posted in my Meier threads thinks the case is a hoax, or can't you tell that yet? Do you think your time would be better spent at places where the majority of people think the case is true, like the place where you followed me here from? Or do you prefer to come here simply because you know most people here will be on your side?
Your making out here and also in that interview that the Meier case is a hoax because of two main things. One on information Meier foretold about the 2001 discovery of the 5,000 year old ice man and two on the Apollo-Soyuz photos. First the photos could have been planted, and the other is you claim you can't find proof in the notes of Meier saying it first about the Iceman as well as the question mark with the arrow over how he actually died. So to you this means the Meier case is a hoax and it throws ALL the solid PRO stuff of the case out the window, like Meier's 5 categories of pyshical material that was scientifically verified in laboratories as not being fake as well as much other pro stuff out window too. Is that good investigation on your part? If the case is real, do you think there would be forces out there that would deliberately try to plant stuff in the case to discredit it? Of course there would but you fail to see that. It's all a hoax because of a few things in the case that appear fake. That's your line of thinking and your entitled to think like that but it is NOT professional investigative research. And you should know that if Meier took any UFO photos/films now, people will just claim he did it on computers with photoshop. That's why he took most of his ufo photos/films in the 1970s when there was NO home computers.
Why don't you just admit that you are infatuated with Micheal Horn (Meier's official media representative) and your on a mission to "deconstruct him", your words remember? You know how I asked Micheal Horn to join this forum but in the end he decided not to (after reading all the baseless uninformed amaturish unscientific remarks from people here about the case) so he just asked me to post something here on his behalf specifically addressed to everyone at Silver Stackers - below. Is that another reason why you come here hoping you will draw him here because you want to debate Micheal Horn on this forum where you know everyone will be on your side? Read MH comments below, he said he is NOT coming here. But I will still try to get him to come here just for you seeing how you had that interview where you couldn't help resisting talking about him more then you did Meier.
Why don't you challenge Micheal Horn to a public debate on the Meier case on that post cast show that you were just interviewed on instead? I'm sure MH would take you up on that challenge (as you know he has never ran from a challenge especially from any of the top international skeptics). I would really like to see that. Better then here don't you think? But I will still try and get him here.
Btw, I think you didn't do a good job at all in that interview.
First for any who still may not know who Micheal Horn is -
http://www.theyfly.com/
Look up Michael Horn and UFOs on the internet and be prepared for controversy.
Michael Horn is the Authorized American Media Representative for Billy Meier, a reclusive man living in a rugged, rural area of Switzerland, who claims that his still ongoing UFO contacts with Plejaren extraterrestrial human beings began in 1942, when he was only five years old.
Horn immediately makes distinctions between what he calls the "lights-in-the-sky", tabloid-type of UFO stories and Meier's scientifically proven UFO contacts. "While there is now no shortage of strictly anecdotal, as well as completely imaginary tales of so-called UFO contactees, abductions, etc., Meier's are the only substantiated contacts. Because it's the most suppressed - and the most important - story in human history, many people don't know that his clear, daytime UFO photos, films, sound recordings and metal samples have already been authenticated by scientific experts."
But while Meier's hundreds of examples of still irreproducible physical evidence establishes it as the only authentic UFO contact case, Horn claims there's an even higher standard of proof. "Billy Meier has published volumes of the most specific, prophetically accurate scientific information in history. We can take the UFOs out of the equation entirely and we're faced with Meier's ironclad information that preempts 'official discovery', often by decades," said Horn, "and his warnings about geo-political events are equally, as well as often disturbingly, accurate."
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Micheal Horn's post specifically addressed to everyone at SS -
Skyrocket wrote:
Unfortunately Michael Horn has now decided not to join the forum discussion in this thread on the Meier case. He asked me to post this on his behalf -
To all concerned,
Throughout human history there have always been those great and truthful people who've tried to show humanity a way out of its stupid, it's dead-end, pointless self-destruction. They are rarely listened to and, of course, there are always the snipes, the lowly, envious, bitter, self-seeking, profit-only types who will do everything possible to bring down those who stand high above them and who selflessly hold out a light upon the way for them.
It used to be though that some actual real life effort had to be made in order for the attacks on the superior persons to hold any weight at all. Even then, it was usually the bias, prejudices, etc., that damned the effort of the good ones and humanity's lowest instincts prevailed.
Today it's even easier for the attacks and vendettas to be instigated and prosecuted. All one needs is a computer and their angry intentions and, lo and behold, the game is on. Such is the case with the attacks on the Billy Meier case and the man himself, uniquely by those who sit at their little computers but who've never done a whit of real investigation; they rely on search engines and their own deluded thinking.
For those who don't want the Meier case to be true, who don't want the inconveniences portended (and now undeniably upon us) in Meier's information, in the reality of his contacts with far more advance human beings, no amount of evidence, reasoning, etc., will be sufficient to pry them from their fearful denial. And that's just fine with me.
Unlike all of the armchair experts, critics and backstabbers, I've personally investigated the Meier case and its contents for 36 years. That's included 14 trips to Switzerland, interviews with Meier, family, friends, eyewitnesses, walking the locations, interviewing witnesses to 14 of the 22 attempts on his life, six self-financed films, trying (unsuccessfully) to trick Meier four times in three years, knowing the original investigators for over 20 years, consulting with people like David Froning (http://theyfly.com/Scientific_Experts.html), Matt Wieczkiewicz and Kenneth Smith, Director of Operations at Orbital Launch System Group (Ret), (all aerospace industry professionals with high clearance levels and all of whom know and support the authenticity of the Meier case), being within 20' of a small Plejaren monitoring craft myself, receiving (time/date stamped) verifiably prophetically accurate information from the Plejaren (through Meier, I'm not a contactee), etc.
I've taken on the top professional international skeptics, including those who helped to corroborate Meier's prophetically accurate sceintific information (http://www.theyfly.com/Confirming-Meier.htm) and addressed many scientists…not a one of whom could - or can - poke a hole in the Meier case.
Real life is messy, it has its inconsistencies and difficulties such as are not taken into account by the infantile "researchers" who think that life began with the internet and can be figured out with a search engine. They know nothing of real investigation, of dealing with means, motive and opportunity, of weighing and evaluating evidence, of preponderance of evidence, of the importance of the known character of an individual, etc.
Recent, independent analyses again confirm the authenticity of Meier's proptographic evidence. Almost daily his prophetic information is corroborated - much to the sorrow of humanity - with such accuracy as to show the deniers to be the kinds of foools that one would do well to steer clear of when the waves start coming in and the confused, fearful ones will try to jump into your boat, the very ones who've defamed and attacked the man who's long tried to sound the warnings.
I could say the following to anyone, on any forum: none of you have anything remotely near the strength of character, intelligence, indomitable will and dedication to self-obligated duty that Meier possesses. None could hold their own life up to the scrutiny directed at his, probably the most well documented of any person, living or dead, from age four up to 78.
And as far as the six categories of still irreproducible physical evidence is concerned, credit Meier if you wish as being the most technically accomplished one-armed, basically resourceless man in history. None here willl even attempt to duplicate the evidence since it's simply impossible. The best that can be done are nice "models" of what Meier began photographing in the skies…in 1964.
As for his prophetically accurate scientific and world event information, who here predicted climate change, globabl warming, the radical Islaist worldwide terrorsim, environmental destruction, the two UDS-Iraq wars, AIDS, portable phone, credit cards, the internet, the EU (and its join efforts with the US to biochip every human on the planet), and 200 more specific examples form a variety of sciences beginning back in 1948?
Yes, the small-minded will still try to make their dismissive attempts, to try to tell you that "anyone could have siad that" - though nobody but Meier did - and they'll also try to tell you that the objects are "models" because they "can tell" from looking at a photo or film, etc.
Just last night a very interesting thing happened. I presented the Meier case to a MUFON group in Sedona, AZ. MUFON has long been one of the main opponents of the case. But last night…they GOT it. That group now knows for itself that this is what the UFO cover-up is REALLY about. And of course with growing numbers of people coming to my site and others (we had our first visitor from…Syria, the 141st country thereby represented) the otherwise dead-end game could still get undone before it's completely too late…maybe.
So rather than offer cynical, silver tongued rebuttals, convoluted, empty attacks, etc., if you're really convinced that the case is a hoax you're welcome to your uninformed, never-been-there-never-done-that opinion. You're also welcome to arrange and challenge me in a public debate. The authenticity of the evidence and the voluminous facts surrounding it, when clearly presented, are sufficient to trump the sophistry any opponent can offer…which is why the case prevails for all these decades.
A few links out of far too many to post:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases … rmation-in-
recently-released-film-279408522.html
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/05/prweb11867883.htm
http://www.rhalzahi.com/docs/pendulum-EN.pdf
http://www.tjresearch.info/Zahi_WCUFO%2 … gation.pdf
Test the photo yourself and then feel free to…debunk yourself when you get the inescapable result:
http://theyflyblog.com/2014/06/15/billy … ase-prove/
I neither have the time nor the interest to engage in more debates on online forums. As I said, if anyone wants to debate me and get rightly humiliated for their arrogant, uninformed views, arrange it.
Of course for those who really are concerned about their future survival, save yourself the trouble, don't bother with me; just delve into the Meier material and get a clue as to what's really going on…if you can handle it.
Michael Horn
Authorized American Media Representative
The Billy Meier Contacts
www.theyfly.com
Writer/Producer/Director
And Did They Listen?
Writer/Producer/Director
As the time fulfills
Writer/Producer
The Silent Revolution of Truth
Michael Horn & Davida Horn
Co-Producers/Co-Directors
Breaking the Silence
"But, to reflect on the statement that's in the film, I also remember seeing a shot on the Super8 reel that showed a UFO circling around a fairly tall tree. According to that shot, we said that we can't conclusively say whether it's real or not, but it seemed impossible to stage that kind of a shot with a miniature (it would have to be hanging on a very tall crane, with wires - but even then the movements would be hard to achieve.) So, yes, in regards to that shot, we mentioned that we could definitely do it today with CG, but at the time these were supposedly shot - it would have been very hard, probably even impossible, to fake this kind of shot."
Volker Engel, Marc Weigert - Uncharted Territory
Academy Award-winners, Special Effects for "Independence Day"
Recent Presentations by Michael Horn:
International UFO Congress, Hong Kong
Sedona MUFON, Arizona
Campos do Jordao, Brazil
Texas Station Hotel, Las Vegas
Barnes & Noble, Flagstaff
Flagstaff Southside Center, Arizona
ASPE Conference, New Mexico
Metropole Hilton, London
Ontario Science Center, Canada
Meta Center, New York City
University of Alberta, Canada
University of Calgary, Canada
University of, Victoria, B.C.
Biltmore Hotel, Los Angeles
NEXUS Conference, Amsterdam
NEXUS Conference, Australia
Art Institute of Los Angeles
Bay Area UFO Conference, Santa Clara
Dolphins and ET Civilizations, Hawaii
Bodhi Tree Bookstore, Los Angeles
First Friends Fellowship Hall, Los Angeles
Conscious Living Expo, Los Angeles
National UFO Conference, Hollywood
IUFOC, Laughlin
Night Search World Forum, Memphis
AUFORN, Australia
New Life Expo, San Francisco
Recent Media Appearances:
ABC News Talk Channel
ALL STAR RADIO National
CNN International
COAST TO COAST AM International
CONSCIOUS MEDIA NETWORK National
FOX Radio Alan Colmes Show National
CRN National
G4TECHTV National
JOURNEY INTO THE VOID San Diego
KEVIN SMITH SHOW International
PLANET X RADIO, UK
RADIO AMERICA National
SIRIUS RADIO NETWORK National
TALK RADIO NETWORK National
TALK SPORT International
THE CUTTING EDGE National
VOICE OF AMERICA National
WKQX National
KLBJ Austin
WCBM Baltimore
WYDE Birmingham
KKUP California
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KNON Dallas
KOA 850 Denver
DRQ Detroit
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WTOP D.C.
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Topic: UFO
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Here is just a sample of what the media is saying about Michael Horn:
"… And that is without a doubt the best show that I think I've ever done on the Meier case. Actually, I didn't do it, I just hosted it. Michael Horn did it so he goes down as the best spokesman for Meier that I've ever had on." - Art Bell - Coast to Coast AM (after interviewing Michael for four hours)
500+ Radio Stations 5 million + Listeners - the largest late night talk show in the world
And, typical of the effect that Michael is making nationwide, mainstream talk radio host Karen Grant summed it up perfectly "Michael is a phenomenal guest. Whether you are a skeptic or not, he brings information that is fascinating and keeps the audience glued to their radios. The responses I receive after he has been on my show have been overwhelming. The one guest you want to have when it comes to the Meier case and contacts in general."
- Karen Grant - National talk radio host
"Michael Horn, always a fascinating guest when he appears on Coast to Coast."
- George Noory - Talk radio host
Even nationally syndicated conservative talk radio host Michael Medved had to admit "… Look, I'm intrigued by this because, again, some seemingly very bright people seem to believe this. Michael, I appreciate your spirit of openness and sharing all of this with us and your willingness to bring us all up to date on the Billy Meier controversy involving flying saucers and extraterrestrials."
- Michael Medved - National talk radio host
"I enjoyed visiting with you on the air very much and the audience enjoyed it as well judging by the amount of positive e-mail. We should do this again some time and I look forward to meeting you in person out there where the weather is so much nicer!"
- John B. Wells - Coast to Coast AM
"Thanks very much! Our audience loves this topic."
- Alan Colmes Show - Fox News
"Michael Horn has appeared on Kevin Smith Show several times, and he is always a fascinating guest with a powerful command of his information. He does not demand that others believe his information, but very politely presses them to know his information and investigate it. One thing he does that makes his appearances stand out is that he provides a lot of corroborating evidence from other sources. It is always a pleasure to have Michael Horn on the Kevin Smith Show."
- Kevin Smith, Host – Kevin Smith Show
"You're a fantastic guest!"
- Ian Punnett - Coast to Coast AM (after interviewing Michael for three hours)
"Thanks again for doing my show a few weeks ago. I rarely get email from listeners but I did get a few that really enjoyed hearing you and wanted your website info."
- Arielle Ford - Talk radio host, leading publicist
Regarding Michael's presentation of the scientific proof for the Billy Meier UFO contacts, and the prophetic material (documented and published by Billy Meier in 1975, 1987 and 1995) that specifically gave advance warning of the destruction of the WTC, the upcoming attacks by the USA and the president, and other events unfolding right now...legendary, conservative talk show host Barry Farber said:
"... I didn't dream I could ever enjoy a discussion of this nature, but Michael, you amaze me. It's supremely enjoyable...If you can prove one of them...then you're gonna change the world. I'm sitting here as a fascinated listener and talk host having a good hour. But if you can prove that anything [like that] came down...then I'm telling you pal, you're wasting time on the Barry Farber Show. You can change the world... It was a delight! You handle skepticism well and kept things going briskly. I've already put your material in the "volcano" file" meaning hot guests who are welcome repeatedly on the show."
- Barry Farber - Talk radio host
"You were great! You are very articulate and knowledgeable. I thoroughly enjoyed our chat and I hope you did, too. Would you like to come back on in the future? I appreciate you coming on and you were such a gentleman and very charitable about the questions. Thank you so much."
- Gianni De Vincent Hayes - Christian talk radio host
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