Hey Tom,
Cool for the replies.
This opens up here one point that I have assumed here which is that you wrote it out entirely yourself or within your entire perspective, so having said that, I probably didn’t get the ‘copy right’ thing at the end and the fact that it contains paraphrasing from another without any personal edits on the perspective, now I understand that the intent is to kind of ‘wake people up’ about ‘what has been allowed’ with democracy, I see that now and from my perspective, it surely can work if you would add a nutritive paragraph at the end pointing out at all of the rest of points you’ve now shared in your replies about our responsibility, the possibilities for self-change etc etc. so as to not leave the ‘reader’ in this ‘faulty’ mode or just diminishing into ‘I’m only a slave’ which would be counterproductive, but always laying out the solutions too, which is also more of a mode we have been working with as well when sharing writings here at the forum due to precisely how us humans have not been ‘wired’ to be ‘solution-oriented.’ That’s clear now then.
So, the ‘who I am’ here is not something that has to do with the usual replies, but more within the self-investigation framework of asking ‘who am I’ within this, as in ‘what is my starting point?’ what is my intent, what is my purpose in say sharing this or saying that, so that’s for clarifying. An example many times when writing about ‘the system’ my ‘who am I’ within writing about it was that of sheer arrogance, criticism, blame and disgust, not at all looking back at myself but making it entirely ‘their problem’ which is then the ‘who am I’ as shifting the responsibility to another in such example.
So when it comes to the question I asked you ‘who are you when you shared this’ I now see based on your replies that your intent is to truly understand what it means to live ‘democracy’ within oneself first, which definitely is the point in all cases here when looking at one’s role in it all, surely including the stopping and creating something more useful too which is for example here in the form of living words or creating corrective processes that render the old, obsolete by default.
On what will it take to change us? I agree that knowing is not enough, there are thousands of articles, videos, blogs and the rest of it discussing almost all aspects of the mind’s preprogramming and still we haven’t entirely made that absolute commitment to change. I have agreed as well in the past that mostly it takes consequence knocking at our doors to do something about it, which is unfortunate, but usually that works. Though even with ‘wars’ as you said – which I used to think as catalysts for change as well – we tend to either get too comfortable in constant war – like we’ve done throughout history – or blowing up some events to that constant stigma of ‘never again’ like WW2 to no avail, because money is still linked to it all and so, it won’t stop until there are ways to make wars obsolete too.
And yes, democracy has become a mockery in fact and I agree with the false sense of ‘voting’ or ‘decision making’ that is obviously not available, whatsoever, to everyone as it was intended – if ever – to. Now, I also can relate very much to the point of keep recognizing our state of ‘slaves’ – I was kidding the other day that if I could give a band a name or if I had a band I would name it ‘the bonded sureties’ because if most people like being radical with pointing out the ‘awful truths’ that is definitely one, but from there the whole point would be to investigate ‘why’ are we slaves and how can we practically stop being one, starting with one’s mind of course which so far and throughout this time I’ve come time and time again back to the point of how this is the primary aspect to focus on, for everything else creates and stems from yes our acceptances and allowances at a mind level.
So I’ve been discussing before how it would be cool to redefine democracy to its core meaning like ‘the power of the people’ but not to envision it as this ‘mass’ within this particular ‘system’ that everyone has to subscribe to by default, which is what creates the opposite reaction of some ‘railing against democracy’ and recreating the same polarization I explained in my previous post. No
The redefinition of democracy would have to be then that of recognizing one’s power, one’s ability, capacity and will that each one would have to propel if you will to actually be self-honest – now that I know you are well versed in these terms used around here – and that means real power, real possibility of creating ‘freedom’ from within and then, eventually, into the without.
So I’d agree that the main obstacle is that of rejecting the responsibility to govern/direct ourselves, and continuing in the comfort of our own mind-lies.
Therefore yes, in a first stage of being ‘Honest’ with ourselves, surely who we have been within it all is yes being very comfortable in the position of ‘slaves’ but, giving that second step which is towards Self-Honesty it implies understanding how and why we’ve become slaves. Now that I am aware you know the entire ‘history of man’ I don’t need to explain further into it, but to realize that even those that ‘enslaved us’ are also ourselves, they played almost what I’ve seen also as a ‘necessary role’ just like in the movies where someone has to play the ‘bad guy’ to have some action develop and unfold, to uncover the ‘truth’ of ourselves , and that’s what has been going on and therefore the point of forgiving our own enslavement which practically means directly willing and committing oneself to no longer be governed by one’s old patterns, behaviors, beliefs and the rest of it, but actually step into uncharted territory of self-creation, of actual self-governance and self direction.
Another suggestion Tom is to quote the ‘entire paraphrase’ because the nip and tuck done to quotes leaves some pieces of words to make an ‘evidence’ or a ‘case for’ something, which is not the point if read within the entire paragraph, hereby then the point of authority is surely one that needs ‘2 to tango’ and creating a relationship to ‘authority’ as that of submitting or ‘being above it’ or ‘without it’ is the same thing – just like ‘atheists’ that define themselves according to the non-existence of a god or religion, lol. Self-authority is the only thing that should exist within each one.
On the point quoted with ‘comes from a point of superiority’ which I have no further context to what I said because of the nip and tucking but to reply to what you said after that, I agree on the humbleness and consideration to assist others if one has walked more of that one process which is what I personally dedicate myself to. In relation to those that are aware and not ‘running the whole thing’ well, that’s definitely up to each one to ‘catch up with’ or go at their own pace etc… point here is definitely to not see it as a ‘race’ of sorts either or ‘getting to the goal/end line’ because it is obviously very clear to me that this process won’t be done in ‘7 years’ or one’s lifetime, it will be generational throughout hundreds of years. We are here laying out the very first stepping stones and that implies there’s a lot of foundational awareness to be built, the basics and that is something that I agree we all should focus on, that self-awareness and self-education about who we are as the mind as well.
So here again with the race points, I would not suggest you ‘leave a point behind’ when facing it ‘here’ as it appears and emerges to then focus on something else. If it is here then one’s point of response-ability is to face it, de-construct it, see it for what it is to then acknowledge the ways one can create a solution to it, how one can develop a better way to face it, because if we go leaving these ‘loose ends’ behind, they will eventually come back up at some other point to be faced again, maybe next time with more complexity or degree of consequence, who knows? But a suggestion here is that it is not to see process or ‘getting somewhere’ somehow as this race… man, definitely slow down because it will only grant you frustrations to believe ‘you are moving and pushing super fast and hard’ and the rest are barely waking up. Here thus to rather see this process as your very personal point of awareness and self-movement, rather than creating this notion of having to ‘run’ for something. Sure, I don’t disagree that it would be great we could get through to more solutions faster, in my case to lessen suffering of the majority in this world, but I also see the pace in which one can make a real definitive change in one’s life and it takes time, lots of diligence, constancy, discipline, willingness and commitment, all traits that we are not born with for the most part, so it will take a complete ‘rewiring’ to get to an ‘idyllic’ or at least more effective state of living in this world, and I am fine with walking at the pace it is required within this reality and cross-referencing where ‘most are’ not where I ‘want to be at’ for example.
And yes, we start with doing our own part in deprogramming the ‘criminal’ or rather ‘self-dishonesty’ within each one of us at the myriad levels there are of such programming inside us, we are here, we are aware of it so that’s the least thing we can do starting now.
In terms of seeing the detailed process of understanding say a pattern or a construct, sure here for each person will be different. For some seeing ‘one point’ suffices to gear towards the solution, for others it will take many writings and disclosing the mechanics behind one point to get to understand it fully and so change, for others even if doing the hundreds of writings and understanding the mechanics of it, it will still take a whole process of time/space to change it in real time. So, it’s great that you can be inspired to change with ‘1 point’ but here again to consider the whole and so be humble in each other’s different processes, not to compare or anything like that, but to embrace and understand.
Here I’ll point out the points that you answered to my questions about what ‘democracy’ means of us and your reply “It represents about us that we are slaves, not having will to manage ourselves, but subjecting to the will of proven miscreants that are happily managing our ways of living.” So I now point it back to you to look at then how can you redefine this statement into a directive statement of ‘what needs to be done’ to change this current honest assessment of ‘who we are’ within democracy. And that’s the kind of statements and solution-mindset that would be cool as a ‘closure’ to the article or collection of yours and others’ quotes it is, I would rather suggest you ‘re-write’ it if really wanting to create this effect of becoming aware of the problem which is the bit of a quote I placed above here, and then write out the solution. Might be a cool way for you to start spreading this information and then stir the conversation directly to discuss the practicality of solutions, not so much only arguing ‘why democracy is shit’ type of thing lol.
And yes, of course, Anu is but a character that represents our own deception, otherwise we would again go into the ‘he deceived us’ when in fact, surely it took yet 2 or more to tango in it and be deceived because we allowed ourselves to deceive ourselves with the ideas and fantasies of how great it would be to be enslaved lol, I’d say we are still very much existing in that and I surely agree we need to wake up, starting with understanding the comfort of the mind prison that we’ve built for ourselves and how to start stepping out/standing up from it/as it to be able to direct it and not be directed by it, while realizing the mind is of course ‘us’ and not this ‘alien’ thing inside us either, that’s more of a holistic approach of self-responsibility. So yes, all the ‘bad guys’ and seemingly demonic individuals are actually our greatest teachers to reflect back to our own ‘nature’ as in what we’ve accepted and allowed ourselves to become.
And he is walking his own process, precisely to ‘walk out of his nature’ which means telling the whole story and assisting everyone in being able to break-through the same programming that he did create in his ‘image and likeness’ so, as much as sharing is part of everyone’s process, it is part of his personal process real time, as well as our own to no longer see ‘him’ as the ‘ogre’ in the story but to rather recognize this is the phase of forgiveness, understanding and practical living change.
So! Tom, on your last notes, sure we kind of all know that we have ‘rejected the responsibility to governing ourselves’ etc here, we are mostly interested here on HOW to practically LIVE the correction to this abdication of self responsibility, that’s where my genuine interest here is and I would say it is everyone’s interest here to genuinely bring democracy ‘back to self’ to see how to start living this power of self, this actual ability… and from my perspective it sums up to walking this personal process of self-awareness, recognizing self-responsibility and starting implementing and living self change, what’s your take on the ‘what to do now within self?’ approach here, this can then become a reference to 'walk a point in the system' back to oneself too, which is awesome.
Thanks for sharing and opening up this point, I had wanted to clarify this word and discuss it with others so, this has been a refreshing way to do so, lol, aside from the initial misunderstanding of the ‘intent’ of posting it and what our main point of interest in this forum is all about which is that of practical solutions, realizations and self-change process.
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