For the fifth episode of EthicalMachines, we had the pleasure of talking with Automato Farm, a design studio based in Shanghai. Automato is a collaboration between Simone Rebaudengo, Matthieu Cherubini and Saurabh Datta. In this engaging conversation we explore a wide range of topics such as: The role of designers in machine learning, desining ethical smart systems, computing ethics, humans teaching algorithms, generative design, Internet of things and more.