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* It is finally revealed that Shayera's actions on "[[Starcrossed]]" led her to be stripped of her rank of Lieutenant and exiled from Thanagar.

* It is finally revealed that Shayera's actions on "[[Starcrossed]]" led her to be stripped of her rank of Lieutenant and exiled from Thanagar.

* Grundy's last appearance was in {{jl}}, "[[The Terror Beyond]]", which established the connections between Aquaman and Dr. Fate, and between Grundy and Shayera. Likewise, Dr. Fate alludes to his fight with Shayera in Part I of that episode.

* Grundy's last appearance was in {{jl}}, "[[The Terror Beyond]]", which established the connections between Aquaman and Dr. Fate, and between Grundy and Shayera. Likewise, Dr. Fate alludes to his fight with Shayera in Part I of that episode.



* Superman alludes to the fights he had against Grundy in {{jl}} episodes "[[Injustice For All]]", "[[Only A Dream|Only A Dream, Part I]]" and "
[[The Terror Beyond|
The Terror Beyond, Part I
]]
".

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* Superman alludes to the fights he had against Grundy in {{jl}} episodes "[[Injustice For All]]", "[[Only A Dream|Only A Dream, Part I]]" and "The Terror Beyond, Part I".

* This episode marks the return of Shayera Hol to the Justice League since leaving the group after the events of "[[Starcrossed]]" and the Thanagarian invasion. The results of the vote at the end of that episode are revealed.

* This episode marks the return of Shayera Hol to the Justice League since leaving the group after the events of "[[Starcrossed]]" and the Thanagarian invasion. The results of the vote at the end of that episode are revealed.

* Superman's stated beliefs about "second chances" and "redemption" likely allude to "[[Legacy]]", which ended with him seeking to redeem himself to the people of Earth for what he did while under [[Darkseid]]'s control.

* Superman's stated beliefs about "second chances" and "redemption" likely allude to "[[Legacy]]", which ended with him seeking to redeem himself to the people of Earth for what he did while under [[Darkseid]]'s control.

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=== Production notes ===

=== Production notes ===



*
Originally,

[[Mark

Hamill]]

was

supposed

to

reprise

his

role
as
[[Solomon

Grundy]]
in
this episode, since he had already made
the
voice of the character in
{{
jl
}}
.

However,

the character was fianlly voiced by [[Bruce Timm]], because Hamill was in [[Wikipedia:New York City|New York City]] at that time participating in a [[Wikipedia:Broadway|Broadway]] play
.
<ref>{{Cquote|[[Bruce Timm]] on voicing [[Solomon Grundy]] in “Wake the Dead”: “Anyhow, what happened was this: [[Mark Hamill|Mark]] [Hamill] was in [[Wikipedia:New York City|New York]] doing a play on [[Wikipedia:Broadway|Broadway]] when ‘Wake the Dead’ was to be recorded. We do occasionally record out-of-state actors via phone-patch when we have to, but it’s quite a bit more expensive (studio and technician fees are doubled, and Ma Bell charges an arm-and-two-legs for her services) and, seeing as how [[Solomon Grundy|Grundy]] only grunts and roars in the episode (and I’ve ‘stunt-doubled’ [[Mark Hamill|Mark]]’s [[Solomon Grundy|Grundy]] in the past, with some success) I figured I could handle it this one time. If [[Solomon Grundy|Grundy]] had to say real dialogue we would have used [[Mark Hamill|Mark]], and damn the extra expense.|20px|20px|[[Bruce Timm]]|Toon Zone}}

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*
This

episode

marks

the

first

time

Shayera

Hol

appears
as
a

founding member
in the {{
jlu
}}
opening

credits
.



</ref>

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* This episode marks the first time [[Hawkgirl|Shayera Hol]] appears as a founding member in the {{jlu}} opening credits.



* According to [[Bruce Timm]], the reason by which [[Solomon Grundy]] was killed off in this episode, it was because he and the other members of the production team were already getting tired of killing him and bringing him back again and again. Tim also clarified that they also killed him definitely because he didn't see why he would have to return again.<ref>{{Cquote|[[Bruce Timm]] on the death of [[Solomon Grundy]]: “We normally like to keep our dead guys dead, and we really […] no intention of ever bringing ‘[[Solomon Grundy|Grondy]]’ (personally, I love how [[Oded Fehr|Oded]]<nowiki> [</nowiki>[[Oded Fehr|Fehr]], the voice actor for [[Dr. Fate]]<nowiki>] pronounces his name!) back from the grave. We did it this one time because a) we thought it would be a kickass way to end </nowiki>[[Hawkgirl|Shayera]]’s exile, and b) it brings him back in a way that doesn’t in any way render his death in ‘[[The Terror Beyond]]’ meaningless. I can’t see any good reason to ever bring him back again so, seriously, this dirt-nap’s stickin’.|20px|20px|[[Bruce Timm]]|Toon Zone}}



</ref> This action subsequently didn't let Grundy to form part of the [[Legion of Doom]].

=== Production inconsistencies ===

=== Production inconsistencies ===

* Aquaman's statement "Check in five moves" is inconsistent with the positions of the pieces on the board. Shayera's first line is empty save for a rook; this would require at least seven moves.

* Aquaman's statement "Check in five moves" is inconsistent with the positions of the pieces on the board. Shayera's first line is empty save for a rook; this would require at least seven moves.

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=== Trivia ===

=== Trivia ===



* This episode pays homage to the old Marvel superheroes-as-outsiders team, the Defenders. In the comics the Defenders included Dr. Strange, Clea, the Hulk, Nighthawk, the Sub-Mariner, and the Silver Surfer, among others. The respective counterparts in this episode are
[[
Dr. Fate
]]
,
[[
Inza
]]
,
[[
Solomon Grundy
]]
,
[[
Hawkgirl
]]
,
[[
Aquaman
]]
, and Amazo. A similar homage team was assembled for "[[The Terror Beyond]]".

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* This episode pays homage to the old Marvel superheroes-as-outsiders team, the Defenders. In the comics the Defenders included Dr. Strange, Clea, the Hulk, Nighthawk, the Sub-Mariner, and the Silver Surfer, among others. The respective counterparts in this episode are Dr. Fate, Inza, Solomon Grundy, Hawkgirl, Aquaman, and Amazo. A similar homage team was assembled for "[[The Terror Beyond]]".



* Another reference to the Hulk is when
[[
Dr. Fate
]]
explains the magic powering Solomon Grundy has no known upper limit; in the comics it is stated that the Hulk's physical strength also had no known upper limit.

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* Another reference to the Hulk is when Dr. Fate explains the magic powering Solomon Grundy has no known upper limit; in the comics it is stated that the Hulk's physical strength also had no known upper limit.



* The result of the vote on
[[
Hawkgirl
]]
's remaining in the Justice League in "
[[
Starcrossed
]]
" is revealed. She was going to be allowed to remain a member of the
[[
Justice League
]]
.
[[John Stewart|
Green Lantern
]]
recused himself due to his personal feelings for her, and Superman cast the tie-breaking vote.

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* The result of the vote on Hawkgirl's remaining in the Justice League in "Starcrossed" is revealed. She was going to be allowed to remain a member of the Justice League. Green Lantern recused himself due to his personal feelings for her, and Superman cast the tie-breaking vote.



* This episode marked the last
[[
DCAU
]]
appearances of
[[
Amazo
]]
,
[[
Aquaman
]]
,
[[
Inza
]]
and
[[
Solomon Grundy
]]
.
[[Aquaman]] and all his related characters were not allowed later to appear in the series due the [[Bat-embargo#Other embargoes|Aqua-embargo.]]

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* This episode marked the last DCAU appearances of Amazo, Aquaman, Inza and Solomon Grundy.

* This marks the only time Dr. Fate refers to Amazo by name.

* This marks the only time Dr. Fate refers to Amazo by name.

* The man sitting next to John at the fashion show resembles [[Howlin' Jake]].

* The man sitting next to John at the fashion show resembles [[Howlin' Jake]].

* Louisiana University, where the students perform the ritual that raises Solomon Grundy, is fictitious, but the shot of the school at the beginning of the scene resembles the actual Louisiana State University campus.

* Louisiana University, where the students perform the ritual that raises Solomon Grundy, is fictitious, but the shot of the school at the beginning of the scene resembles the actual Louisiana State University campus.

* Shayera refers to John's favorite movie being ''[[Wikipedia:Old Yeller|Old Yeller]],'' a fact also referenced in {{jl}}, "[[Hearts and Minds]]", and the subsequent {{jlu}} episode "[[Hunter's Moon]]". The movie, and the book on which it is based, follow the adventures of a farm boy and his beloved dog, and ends with the dog contracting rabies and being filled with blind, mindless rage, forcing the boy to put him down to end his suffering.

* Shayera refers to John's favorite movie being ''[[Wikipedia:Old Yeller|Old Yeller]],'' a fact also referenced in {{jl}}, "[[Hearts and Minds]]", and the subsequent {{jlu}} episode "[[Hunter's Moon]]". The movie, and the book on which it is based, follow the adventures of a farm boy and his beloved dog, and ends with the dog contracting rabies and being filled with blind, mindless rage, forcing the boy to put him down to end his suffering.



* In the dorm room where the students perform the ritual, there is an action figure of [[Wikipedia:Hellboy|''Hellboy'']] on the dresser. There is also a bottle of soda that has what appears to be a black-on-red version of the ''Teen Titans'' Red X symbol on the label. A poster of what appears to be [[Wikipedia:Swamp Thing|Swamp Thing]] can be seen on one of the dorm room walls. Finally, there appears to be a DVD of "Wicked Scary" in the dorm, one of
[[
Beast Boy
]]
's favorite movies in
''[[
Teen Titans
]]''
.

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* In the dorm room where the students perform the ritual, there is an action figure of [[Wikipedia:Hellboy|''Hellboy'']] on the dresser. There is also a bottle of soda that has what appears to be a black-on-red version of the ''Teen Titans'' Red X symbol on the label. A poster of what appears to be [[Wikipedia:Swamp Thing|Swamp Thing]] can be seen on one of the dorm room walls. Finally, there appears to be a DVD of "Wicked Scary" in the dorm, one of Beast Boy's favorite movies in Teen Titans.

* In the comics, Solomon Grundy has died multiple times. Each time he comes back with a vaguely different personality, varying levels of intelligence, strength and power. The way Grundy appears in this episode in contrast with his previous appearance seems similar to the comics in that way.

* In the comics, Solomon Grundy has died multiple times. Each time he comes back with a vaguely different personality, varying levels of intelligence, strength and power. The way Grundy appears in this episode in contrast with his previous appearance seems similar to the comics in that way.

* Amazo's voice has distinctively changed since his last appearance, and now sounds more like [[Robert Picardo]]'s natural voice.

* Amazo's voice has distinctively changed since his last appearance, and now sounds more like [[Robert Picardo]]'s natural voice.

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! Actor !! Role

! Actor !! Role



|-

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|-

|[[Maria Canals]] || [[Shayera Hol]]<br />Woman ''(uncredited)''

|[[Maria Canals]] || [[Shayera Hol]]<br />Woman ''(uncredited)''



|-

+

|-

|[[Phil LaMarr]] || [[John Stewart]]<br />Kid ''(uncredited)''

|[[Phil LaMarr]] || [[John Stewart]]<br />Kid ''(uncredited)''



|-

+

|-

|[[George Newbern]] || [[Superman]]<br />[[Alan]] ''(uncredited)''

|[[George Newbern]] || [[Superman]]<br />[[Alan]] ''(uncredited)''



|-

+

|-

|[[Scott Rummell]] || [[Aquaman]]

|[[Scott Rummell]] || [[Aquaman]]



|-

+

|-

|[[Oded Fehr]] || [[Dr. Fate]]

|[[Oded Fehr]] || [[Dr. Fate]]



|-

+

|-

|[[Gina Torres]] || [[Vixen]]

|[[Gina Torres]] || [[Vixen]]



|-

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|-

|[[Robert Picardo]] || [[A.M.A.Z.O.|Amazo]]<br />Reporter ''(uncredited)''

|[[Robert Picardo]] || [[A.M.A.Z.O.|Amazo]]<br />Reporter ''(uncredited)''



|-

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|-

|[[Jennifer Hale]] || [[Inza]]<br />[[Sroya Bashir]] ''(uncredited)''

|[[Jennifer Hale]] || [[Inza]]<br />[[Sroya Bashir]] ''(uncredited)''



|-

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|-

|[[Bruce Timm]] || [[Solomon Grundy]]<br />[[Stew]] ''(uncredited)''

|[[Bruce Timm]] || [[Solomon Grundy]]<br />[[Stew]] ''(uncredited)''

|}

|}

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