2016-04-19

Rolling coverage of all the day’s political developments as they happen, including Michael Gove’s speech on the EU

Michael Gove’s Today interview - Summary

Gove ‘simply wrong’ about EU and intelligence agencies, says Grieve

Gove’s speech - Snap verdict

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5.07pm BST

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4.39pm BST

And this is what Carney said in his opening statement about how Brexit could lead to lower growth.

A vote to leave the EU might result in an extended period of uncertainty about the economic outlook, including about the prospects for export growth. This uncertainty would be likely to push down on demand in the short run.

Uncertainty regarding the supply side of the economy might also increase, reflecting any alterations to product or labour market regulation, adjustments in labour flows or changes in the rate of technology adoption as a result of different arrangements governing foreign trade and capital flows.

4.32pm BST

In his evidence Carney has just said London would be “less likely” to retain its position as a pre-eminent financial centre if the UK left the EU.

But exactly what would happen would depend on the withdrawal renegotiatons, he said.

4.30pm BST

In his opening statement to the committee Carney said the uncertainty generated by the EU referendum was already seemed to be having a negative effect on the economy.

Here is the passage in full.

[The Bank of England’s financial policy committee] noted [at its most recent policy meeting] that pressures associated with the Referendum have the potential to reinforce existing vulnerabilities in relation to financial stability, including risks emanating from the very high current account deficit, property markets, market liquidity, and possible negative spillovers to the rest of the EU.

Some elements of these risks may be beginning to manifest.

4.12pm BST

Here is that last Carney quote in detail.

He was asked if the risk to funding the current account deficit would increase, depending on the outcome of the referendum.

These are balances of probability, but the likelihood is that it will become more expensive to fund that deficit [if the UK leaves the EU] and, with a shift in the structure of it, it may mean that for a period the UK economy cannot run as large a current account deficit, which means - it means that there would be less activity in the economy, less growth.

It would unhelpful. It would be pro-cyclical. It would reinforce the slowdown.

4.06pm BST

Q: Do you think the risk of funding the current account deficit could increase if we left the EU?

Carney says it would be more expensive to fund the deficit.

3.55pm BST

Carney says it is safe to say that the degree of integration with the rest of the EU would be reduced as a result of renegotiation, were the UK to leave.

But the extent of that is something that would have to be determined, he says.

3.53pm BST

Carney is now taking questions.

Q: What did you make of the analysis published by the Treasury yesterday?

Mark Carney tells Lords Economic Affairs committee that HMT’s Brexit analysis “makes broad sense”

3.49pm BST

Carney says whatever the outcome of the referendum, the Bank will use its powers to control inflation.

3.48pm BST

Carney says the Bank’s financial policy committee concluded recently that the risks associated with Brexit pose the most significant near-term risks to financial stability.

He says there is evidence this has already happened.

3.44pm BST

Mark Carney says the Bank of England has not made and will not make any assessment of the costs and benefits of leaving the EU.

But he says the Bank does have a duty to assess risks. And it has a duty to report this information to parliament. This does not amount to getting involved in politics, he says.

3.39pm BST

Mark Carney, the governor of the Bank of England, is giving evidence to the House of Lords economic affairs committee.

He gives evidence to the committee every year.

Related: London stock market hits 2016 high; Goldman Sachs profits slump - business live

3.14pm BST

As the Press Association reports, Michael Gove got his geography muddled up in the Q&A after his speech when he was talking about fishing.

Asked about the impact of Brexit on the fishing industry, he replied:

Some in this audience might know that my father inherited a fish merchant’s business in Aberdeen from my grandfather and that business went to the wall, partly as a result of the common fisheries policy.

The common fisheries policy essentially gave other European Union nations unfettered access to our fish stocks and - I would hope - that if we leave the European Union we can once more see the ports of Peterborough and Fraserhead and Grimsby flourishing, because we will take back control of our territorial waters.

Because of the common fisheries policy my dad’s business went to the wall. That has a profound impact, seeing something that your family have worked to create and build up suddenly taken away.

2.16pm BST

The president has the right wherever he is to explain what is in the interests of the United States of America. And since the US is our one indispensable ally, our biggest single trading partner and the ultimate guarantor of our security, its interests matter to everyone in Britain whether we like it or not.

When Obama gives his hint, nudge, direct appeal or whatever he chooses to say on Friday, it will not be on some vague basis that it would be handy if Europe had one phone number. His comments will reflect the analysis of all the foreign policy advisers to this Democrat administration, and indeed to the previous Republican one, that it is, unambiguously, in the interests of the United States that Britain stays in the EU.

2.01pm BST

My colleague Alan Travis has written a Reality Check on immigration, which asks whether a points-based immigration system would be a good idea. Here’s an excerpt.

Question: What about an Australian-style points-based immigration system for all EU migrants as Gove now suggests? Wouldn’t that “win back control” of Britain’s borders?

Answer: Britain already operates an Australia-style points system for non-EU migrants but anti-EU campaigners seem strangely unaware of its existence. It means that skilled migration to Britain from outside Europe is capped at 20,700 a year, and from this month such people cannot settle in the UK unless they are in a job earning £35,000 a year or more. Extending it to EU citizens would apply as much as to the 500,000 Irish community in Britain as to those of any other EU state.

1.46pm BST

And here is Tim Farron, the Lib Dem leader, on Michael Gove’s speech.

First Gove tried to rewrite our children's history books, now he is trying to rewrite their future. We are clearly @StrongerIn

1.46pm BST

Here is the writer and former political journalist Robert Harris on Michael Gove’s speech.

"A happy journey to a better place"? Gove makes Brexit sound like a Dignitas brochure

1.44pm BST

Here is Britain Stronger in Europe’s take on Michael Gove’s speech.

Missed Michael Gove's speech?

Here's a summary of his key points: pic.twitter.com/acvcqzOQEh

1.40pm BST

My colleague Owen Jones has written a response to Michael Gove’s speech, based on the excerpts released overnight. He wonders who “other than the terminally disingenuous and the chronically mischievous, can convincingly argue that the Vote Leave campaign is doing anything other than infantilising the electorate, of waging a quite frankly sinister campaign of fear?”

Related: Where do we even start with Michael Gove’s hypocrisy on scaremongering? | Owen Jones

1.24pm BST

Gove’s speech - Snap verdict: Speeches matter. They receive a minuscule amount of attention compared to TV soundbites and newspaper headlines, and you have to be a fairly hardcore political obsessive to read them in full, but nevertheless they are where arguments get created and refined and promoted. And, by some mysterious political alchemy, arguments can lead to change.

So this was an important event. It was probably the longest, most wide-ranging and most intellectually robust speech we’ve had during the referendum campaign from the Leave camp. In overall seriousness, the only thing that came close was David Davis’s speech on life after Brexit in February. Davis showed he was engaged in a heavy-weight exercise by include graphs. Gove achieved the same effect by including 54 footnotes.

12.24pm BST

The full text of Michael Gove’s speech is here.

12.22pm BST

Q: Were you offended yesterday when George Osborne described members of the Leave camp as “economically illiterate”?

No, says Gove. He says Osborne has said much worse about him, in public and in private.

12.20pm BST

Q: David Cameron says he will trigger article 50 immediately. Is he lying?

Gove says there would be no need to trigger article 50 immediately. When Greenland left the EU, it did not trigger article 50 at all.

12.19pm BST

Q: Do you feel the government is stacking the odds against the Leave side?

Gove says he did not think the spending on the government’s EU rules was a good use of money. But he is not going to complain about the rules. He pays tribute to David Cameron for letting ministers campaign for Brexit.

12.17pm BST

Gove says the Leave camp have a “full spectrum argument”, covering all topics.

He says he thinks Britain could be stronger outside the EU. He will give a speech on this subject in due course.

12.17pm BST

Q: What would happen to the fishing industry if we left the EU?

Gove says this subject is very close to his heart. His father inherited a fishing business from Gove’s grandfather. But that business went to the wall, partly because of the common fisheries policy.

12.16pm BST

Q: Are there any other countries that have their cake and eat it in the way you are suggesting, by having access to the single market but not being subject to its rules?

Gove says that there are countries that thrive outside the EU. He does not think Germany would want its car manufacturers to stop having access to the UK market.

12.14pm BST

Q: Is it your policy to leave the single market, and therefore to leave the EEA, and therefore not to have access to the single market for banking services?

Gove says it is Leave’s policy to have access to the free trade area. He says the ingenuity of the City will ensure the financial services sector continues to thrive.

12.13pm BST

Gove is now taking questions.

Q: What would our trade relations look like? And are you ruling out being part of the single market?

12.11pm BST

Gove is now winding up.

For Europe, Britain voting to leave will be the beginning of something potentially even more exciting - the democratic liberation of a whole Continent.

If we vote to leave we will have - in the words of a former British Prime Minister - saved our country by our exertions and Europe by our example.

12.10pm BST

Gove says, if Britain were to leave the EU, other EU countries would realise an alternative approach is possible.

What will enrage, and disorientate, EU elites is the UK’s success outside the Union. Regaining control over our laws, taxes and borders and forging new trade deals while also shedding unnecessary regulation will enhance our competitive advantage over other EU nations. Our superior growth rate, and better growth prospects, will only strengthen. Our attractiveness to inward investors and our influence on the world stage will only grow.

But while this might provoke both angst and even resentment among EU elites, the UK’s success will send a very different message to the EU’s peoples. They will see that a different Europe is possible. It is possible to regain democratic control of your own country and currency, to trade and co-operate with other EU nations without surrendering fundamental sovereignty to a remote and unelected bureaucracy. And, by following that path, your people are richer, your influence for good greater, your future brighter.

12.09pm BST

Gove says he would like the UK to have an Australian-style points-based immigration system.

I think we would benefit as a country if we had a more effective and humane immigration policy, allowing us to take the people who would benefit us economically, offering refuge to those genuinely in need, and saying no to others.

And my ambition is not a Utopian ideal - it’s an Australian reality.

12.07pm BST

Gove says yesterday’s Treasury report “is an official admission from the In campaign that if we vote to stay in the EU then immigration will continue to increase by hundreds of thousands year on year.”

12.07pm BST

Gove says being in the EU means the UK has lost control of immigration.

At the moment any EU citizen can come to the UK to settle, work, claim benefits and use the NHS.51 We have no proper control over whether that individual’s presence here is economically beneficial, conducive to the public good or in our national interest. We cannot effectively screen new arrivals for qualifications, extremist connections or past criminality. We have given away control over how we implement the vital 1951 UN Convention on asylum to the European court. We cannot even deport convicted murderers.

Further, there are five more countries - Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Turkey - in the queue to join the EU - and the European Commission, as we have just experienced ourselves during the recent negotiation process, regards ‘free movement’ as an inviolable principle of EU membership.

12.06pm BST

Gove says British business would benefit from being outside EU regulations.

The cost of EU regulation on British companies has been estimated by the independent think tank Open Europe at about £600 million every week.

Now some of those costs are incurred in a good cause.

12.05pm BST

Gove says that, even though some of the UK’s contribution to the EU returns to this country, the money could be better spent by Westminster.

I also acknowledge that some of the money we send over we get back - whether in support for farmers or scientists - although we don’t control exactly where it goes. And we don’t know how efficiently that money is allocated to those who really need it because of the opaque nature of the EU’s bureaucracy.

Indeed there’s a lot of evidence the money sticks to bureaucratic fingers rather than going to the frontline.

12.03pm BST

Gove turns to the advantages of not having to contribute to EU membership.

If we left the EU we would take back control over nineteen billion pounds which we currently hand over every year - about £350 million each and every week.

Now it is true that we get some of that money back - £4.4 billion through a negotiated rebate - and £4.8 billion in money the EU spends in this country on our behalf.

12.01pm BST

Gove says after leaving the EU it would be easier for the UK to negotiate trade deals.

An independent Britain could choose to strike free trade agreements with emerging economies and lower tariffs, extending new opportunities to developing nations and in the process, allowing prices in Britain to become cheaper.

12.00pm BST

And Gove rejects the claim that the the EU would only agree a free trade deal with the UK if it agreed to accept free movement.

It is sometimes claimed that we will only get free trade if we accept free movement. But the EU has free trade deals with nations that obviously do not involve free movement. You do not need free movement of people to have free trade and friendly co-operation.

11.59am BST

Gove rejects claims EU states would want to punish UK for leaving.

It has been suggested that, in a fit of collectively-organised and intensively-sustained international pique, all 27 nations of the EU would put every other priority aside and labour night and day for months to bury their own individual differences and harm their own individual economic interests just to punish us.31

Now I accept that some in the Brussels elite will be cross at our temerity in refusing to accept their continued rule.

11.58am BST

Gove says it would be in the interests of EU states to maintain a free trade deal with the EU.

As our European friends adjust to the referendum result they will quickly calculate that it is in their own interest to maintain the current free trade arrangements they enjoy with the UK. After all they sell far more to us than we do to them. In 2015, the UK recorded a £67.7 billion deficit in the trade of goods and services with the EU, up from £58.8 billion in 2014.

German car manufacturers, who sell £16.2 billion more to us each year than we sell to them, will insist their Government maintains access to our markets.28 French farmers, who sell us £1.37 billion worth of wine and other beverages, £737 million more than we sell to them, will insist on maintaining access to our supermarkets.29 Italian designers, whose fashion houses sell the UK £1.0 billion of clothes will similarly insist on access to our consumers.

11.56am BST

Gove is now discussing what would happen if the UK were to vote to leave.

The leader of the In campaign, Stuart Rose, has acknowledged that there will be no turbulence or trauma on Independence Day. “Nothing is going to happen if we come out ... in the first five years, probably,” he confessed, and admitted “There will be absolutely no change.”

And just as it is the case that when Britain votes to leave nothing in itself changes overnight, so the process and pace of change is in our hands. There is no arbitrary deadline which we must meet to secure our future - and indeed no arbitrary existing “model” which we have to accept in order to prosper.

11.52am BST

And, cleverly, Gove quotes Dominic Grieve - who was on the Today programme this morning criticising him - to reinforce his case.

The [ECJ] has rejected deals on human rights which the EU nations agreed at the time of the Lisbon Treaty.20 It has also overridden the deal that the Danes did with the EU on citizenship in 1992.

We know that it is entirely up to the European Court itself how to interpret the terms of our recent new deal - there is no appeal and nothing we can do about its decisions, just as there was nothing we could when it sank our supposed opt-out from the Charter.

11.49am BST

Gove attacks the influence of the charter of fundamental rights.

The European Court now has the perfect legal excuse to grab more power - the Charter of Fundamental Rights, which goes even further than the older post-war European Convention on Human Rights.

Of course, we were promised that we had a cast-iron opt-out. The Blair Government originally said the Charter would have all the force in our law of ‘The Beano’. In which case Dennis the Menace must be the single most powerful figure in European jurisprudence, because the ECJ has now informed us that our opt-out was worthless and has started making judgments applying the Charter to UK law.

11.48am BST

Gove says he wants to explain the risks of staying before explaining what would happen if the UK were to leave.

If we vote to stay, the EU’s bosses and bureaucrats will take that as carte blanche to continue taking more power and money away from Britain.They will say we have voted for ‘more Europe’. Any protests on our part will be met with a complacent shrug and a reminder that we were given our own very special negotiation and our own bespoke referendum and now we’ve agreed to stay and that’s that. Britain has spoken, it’s said “oui” and now it had better shut up and suck it up. In truth, if we vote to stay we are hostages to their agenda.

Deleting the phrase ‘ever closer union’ offers no protection.

It’s a fact that as a phrase - or doctrine - in its own right, ‘ever closer union’ has only been cited in 0.19% of cases before the ECJ and has not been relevant to any of the ECJ’s seminal judgments that expanded its power.8

11.45am BST

Gove says Remain are wrong. If the UK left, Britain could begin “a happy journey to a better future.”

11.44am BST

Gove mocks the Remain camp for what they say about what would happen to the UK if Britain left the EU.

The City of London would become a ghost town, our manufacturing industries would be sanctioned more punitively than even communist North Korea, decades would pass before a single British Land Rover or Mr Kipling cake could ever again be sold in France and in the meantime our farmers would have been driven from the land by poverty worse than the Potato Famine. To cap it all, an alliance of Vladimir Putin, Marine Le Pen and Donald Trump, emboldened by our weakness, would, like some geopolitical equivalent of the Penguin, Catwoman and the Joker, be liberated to spread chaos worldwide and subvert our democracy.

I sometimes think that the In campaign appears to be operating to a script written by George R.R Martin and Stephen King - Brexit would mean a combination of a Feast for Crows and Misery.

11.42am BST

Gove compares the EU to failing historical empires.

The former President of the Commission himself, Manuel Barroso, likes to describe the EU as an ‘empire ... because we have the dimension of empires’.2 The facts suggest he has a point though not quite the one he intended.

It is a fact that the EU is a multi-national federation with no democratically elected leader or Government, with policies decided by a central bureaucracy, with a mock parliament which enjoys no popular mandate for action and with peripheries which are either impoverished or agitating for secession.

11.40am BST

Gove says the In camp keep asking what Britain would be like outside the EU, “as if the idea of governing ourselves is some extraordinary and novel proposition that requires a fresh a priori justification.”

There is nothing unusual about self-government, he says.

Democratic self-government, the form of Government we in Britain actually invented, has been a roaring success for most of the nations who’ve adopted it. While we enjoyed democratic self-government we developed the world’s strongest economy, its most respected political institutions, its most tolerant approach towards refugees, its best publicly funded health service and its most respected public broadcaster.

11.38am BST

Michael Gove is starting his speech now.

He says the case for staying in the EU is couched in negative terms. But the case for Out is positive.

The In campaign want us to believe that Britain is beaten and broken, that it can’t survive without the help of Jean-Claude Juncker and his Commission looking after us and if we dare to assert ourselves then all the terrors of the earth will be unleashed upon our head. It treats people like children, unfit to be trusted and easily scared by ghost stories.

11.34am BST

Michael Gove will be starting his speech soon.

And it may go on for a while, if the Sun’s Harry Cole is right.

Strap in boys and girls the Gove speech is 28 pages.....

11.27am BST

Michael Gove is due to deliver his speech in Westminster soon.

Britain Stronger in Europe are staging a stunt outside.

Those wags at @StrongerIn are handing these out outside Gove speech. Spoiler: it's blank save for crossed fingers. pic.twitter.com/7yn14MpAaH

11.08am BST

Alan Johnson, chair of Labour In for Britain, has put out a statement accusing Michael Gove of ignoring the evidence about the economic impact of Brexit. He said:

Michael Gove wants to wish away reality, but the truth is every credible independent forecaster says Brexit will hurt our economy. The fact is Britain is better off remaining in the EU and no amount of false promises and bluster from the leave camp can change that.

Reports from the IMF, the LSE, Oxford Economics the CBI and others all show how important it is to jobs and our economy to remain in the EU. But it’s vital for workers’ rights, protecting our environment and keeping our social protections too - all issues that the Leave campaign have no credibility on and no interest in.

11.04am BST

The Royal College of Midwives has come out in favour of Britain staying in the European Union, arguing that a Remain vote in the June 23 referendum would be “better for women and better for midwives”. The EU “protects and supports important safeguards both for the midwifery profession and for the public” and has a “vital role to play in ensuring decent and safe working conditions” as well as supporting the vibrant economy which allows the government to invest in the NHS, the RCM said in a statement.

10.50am BST

I started in a bit of a rush today and so my first post did not contain the day’s agenda. It does now. But you may need to refresh the page to get it to appear.

10.41am BST

In his Today interview Michael Gove cited Open Europe as an example of an organisation that has said the UK could benefit from being outside the EU. (See 9.34am.)

As the Times’s Sam Coates points out, Gove overlooked the fact that Open Europe said the UK would only prosper outside the EU if it continued to keep immigration at a relatively high level.

Open Europe's key conclusion - which Gove omitted - is that to get growth outside the EU you need high immigration pic.twitter.com/JlyvilWids

10.05am BST

In his Today interview Michael Gove said that the European court of justice was now restricting what the intelligence services can do. He will go further in the speech he will deliver later, at 11.30am. According to an extract released in advance Gove will say:

The ECJ has recently used the charter [of fundamental rights] to make clear that it can determine how our intelligence services monitor suspected terrorists. How long before the ECJ starts undermining the Five Eyes intelligence sharing agreements that have been a foundation of British security since 1945 and which are the source of jealousy and suspicion in Brussels?

I thought the examples [Gove] provided were unfounded, and indeed untenable. For example, his suggestion that the European court of justice was interfering with the ability of our intelligence services to do their work is simply wrong. There has never been any suggestion from our Five Eyes partners [the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand] that they are concerned the European court of justice might make it impossible for us to cooperate. I cannot think of any instance in which there has been a case that could undermine that cooperation ...

I think he’s labouring under a very serious misunderstanding about the European Union. The court of justice of the European Union is there to interpret the treaties. The treaties don’t cover national security.

The problem I have with what Michael says is that he has had a fairly consistent pattern since the start of this referendum campaign of coming out with statements which simply don’t bear proper scrutiny.

He alleged that the prime minister’s Brussels agreement wasn’t worth the paper it’s written on, and no international lawyer has agreed with him. Indeed, I don’t think his own department would agree with him on that.

I think you’ll find that if you ask the home secretary she will tell you that she has excluded a very large number of EU nationals ... It does not happen very often, but if she has a need to do it, she can.

9.34am BST

Here are the key points from Michael Gove’s Today interview, including from his introductory three-minute mini-PPB.

Although Gove put in a confident performance - he is one of the very best debaters in UK politics - some of his answers, particularly on economics, left quite a lot to be desired. For example, he had no plausible answer to the points Nick Robinson was making about non-tariff barriers and what French and German ministers are saying about trade. His response to the question about all major economic organisations saying the UK would be poorer if it left the EU was also fairly weak.

The rebate isn’t in any of the treaties. If we vote to remain there is a real risk that our rebate could be whittled away. It would be open to other EU nations to seek to reduce it. And as other EU countries join, then the amount of money that the other countries would expect us to pay in would inevitably rise.

The EU has failed to secure trade deals with the huge economies of India, China and America. Outside the EU, we can cut those deals. Outside the EU, we’d still benefit from the free trade zone which currently stretches from Iceland to the Russian border, but we wouldn’t have all the EU regulations which cost our economy £600m every week.

One of the things about the different models that different countries have is it proves there is no single model that Britain has to accept which is a currently existing alternative.

Britain is a great country, it’s the world’s fifth largest economy with the world’s best armed forces, best health service and best broadcaster. We’re first in the world for soft power, thanks to our language, culture and creativity. And yet the In camp try to suggest that we’re too small and too weak, and our people are too hapless and feckless to succeed without Jean-Claude Juncker looking after us. That’s a deeply pessimistic and negative vision.

I want us to vote to leave the EU before it’s too late because that’s the safer choice for Britain. If we vote to stay we are not settling for a secure status quo, we are voting to be hostages locked in the back of the car driven head-long towards deeper EU integration. Brussels has already set out some of its plans for the next great transfer of powers to the EU in what’s called the five presidents report. The EU is clear; it wants more power over our taxes and our banks.

The court has been strengthened recently, through the new charter of fundamental rights. It can now control how we apply asylum rules, how our intelligence services monitor suspected terrorists, and even who we can deport. And just as we’re losing all this power we are also on the hook to pay more money to the EU, as new countries join the union. But if we were to leave, we can take back control.

8.54am BST

Grieve says Gove was wrong to say the UK cannot exclude EU citizens.

If you ask the home secretary, Theresa May, you will find she has excluded many, she says.

8.51am BST

Grieve says he accepts that there may be some grey areas relating to the competence of the European court of justice.

But he says the examples cited by Gove are not supported by evidence.

8.50am BST

Grieve says Gove has been making a series of wrong statements about the EU.

For example, he says that Gove was wrong when he claimed that the prime minister’s EU renegotiation did not have legal force.

8.49am BST

Dominic Grieve, the Conservative former attorney general is on the Today programme now.

He says Michael Gove was “simply wrong” to suggest that the European court of justice is interfering with intelligence gathering.

8.41am BST

Here is some Twitter comment on Michael Gove’s Today interview.

From the New Statesman’s George Eaton

Gove warning that EU will acquire more sovereignty in the future - not as tangible as financial losses. #r4today

The key is whether EU would punish us or not. Sceps said for years they put politics over economics. Now their argument is the opposite

No 10 gloating about 3rd party support. Against IMF etc Gove deploys Lawson, Wolfson, Longworth

Gove is rather stronger and more comfortable on sovereignty than the economics of Brexit

Amazingly Michael Gove given 3 min Brexit party political broadcast on R4Today: uses SNP's "too small, too weak" trope.Spine chilling comedy

Gove's account of UK-EU trade relations post-Brext: Like Canada, but not Canada. Better in indescribable ways. Imagine a good thing. That.

Michael Gove dismissing the EU Trade Commissioner as a "Swedish sociologist" is perfect moment to post this again https://t.co/7GDrDXpyEn

#euref Gove's disgraceful slur on EU trade commissioner @MalmstromEU utter Oxbridge arrogance

8.25am BST

Q: You say if we stay we cannot retain control over our justice system and our immigration system. So if we vote to stay, you should resign as justice secretary?

Gove says he wants people to vote to leave.

8.24am BST

Q: You are saying if we leave the EU, all sorts of positive things will happen. Aren’t you insulting the intelligence of people.

Not at all, says Gove. He says he was accused earlier of being negative.

8.23am BST

Q: You are saying intelligence sharing with the US would be at risk if we remain in the EU.

Gove says says European court of justice decisions are having an effect in intelligence gathering.

8.22am BST

Q: You say the EU would get new powers. But your government passed a referendum lock. Are you saying that won’t work?

Gove says the referendum lock only covers new treaties. The EU can take on new powers with a new treaty.

8.21am BST

Q: Every independent economic forecaster says there is a cost to leaving the EU, a short-term shock and long-term cost. Do you accept that?

No, says Gove. He says Open Europe says the UK would benefit by not having regulatory burdens.

8.20am BST

Q: But German banks and French insurance companies won’t want competition from the UK. You are choosing examples, German cars for example, where it would be in their interests to trade.

Gove says Robinson’s argument is the same argument used against the single currency.

8.19am BST

Q: What would our relationship with the EU look like if we left?

Gove says we would have a relationship of friendly cooperation. We could have free trade with the EU, like Canada.

8.15am BST

Robinson is now interviewing Gove.

Q: You painted a negative image, didn’t you?

8.14am BST

Gove says he wants to vote to leave the EU before it is too late, because that is the safer choice.

If we don’t leave, we will be hostages, locked in the car driving towards greater integration.

8.10am BST

Nick Robinson is interviewing Michael Gove.

Today are giving Gove the chance to make his own case before the interview starts.

8.08am BST

Michael Gove is making a big intervention in the EU referendum debate today, with a speech accusing the pro-EU camp (ie, the prime minister, and most of Gove’s cabinet colleagues) of treating the electorate like “mere children”.

Here is the Guardian’s preview story.

Related: EU referendum: Remain camp treat public like 'children', says Gove

Michael Gove will accuse remain campaigners of treating people like “mere children” after his close friend and cabinet colleague, George Osborne, warned that leaving the EU would create a £36bn tax blackhole.

The justice secretary will say that a 200-page report published by the Treasury also contains an admission that immigration will continue to rise by hundreds of thousands year on year, amounting to a failure by his own Conservative government to reduce the net rate to below 100,000.

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