The most disturbing part of the Dread Pirate Roberts (DPR) story is also the strangest: how the boss of the Silk Road drugs marketplace attempted to arrange not one but six murders-for-hire.
No murders actually took place. The first "hit" was purchased from an undercover DEA agent and was meant to take out a former Silk Road staffer; it has been charged in Maryland. But the story of the other five came out at the recent New York City trial of Ross Ulbricht, accused of being DPR and developing the Silk Road site, through a remarkable 33-page transcript of private messages that prosecutors harvested from the Silk Road server after it was captured by the government.
The transcript makes for astonishing reading as Dread Pirate Roberts dispenses cash and orders hits without bothering to verify even basic details about those he interacts with. Looking up the mentioned transactions in Bitcoin's blockchain shows that the transfers did in fact take place; whatever happened here, at least one party seems to have thought it was real—even if the dialogue often reads like a bad movie script.
Who is the Dread Pirate Roberts? Last Wednesday, a jury convicted the 30-year-old Ulbricht on seven counts related to drug trafficking and dealing in other illicit goods; evidence gathered from his laptop showed him communicating with others as DPR. (Ulbricht will be sentenced in May.)
As for the other characters in this sordid drama, they remain elusive. There's FriendlyChemist, the man who writes frantic and broken sentences to DPR saying he'll be killed if he doesn't get $500,000—and fast. FriendlyChemist poses as a narcotics middleman who got scammed by a Silk Road seller named LucyDrop.
Then there's RealLucyDrop, who claims that he was one half of the LucyDrop selling duo—but is now on his own after his partner split with the product. He says he knows FriendlyChemist, who is desperate and scared.
Finally, there's redandwhite, the genteel, well-spoken and murderous businessman who FriendlyChemist owes money to. He claims to be a major player in the drug trade, and is also a mentor, educating DPR about the cost and technique of killing one's enemies. DPR, meanwhile, tells redandwhite how to use secure chat channels and how to scrub photo metadata so that a picture of the murdered man can be sent safely once the job is done.
Most of the private messages between these parties span a single month in early 2013, but we know that communication between DPR and redandwhite did not end. Silk Road logs, found on Ulbricht's laptop, confirms their continued communication, likely via the Pidgin secure chat that DPR helped redandwhite set up.
"loaning $500k to r&w to start vending on SR," reads one log entry on Ulbricht's laptop.
Then later, under a longer entry dated with the range "06/05/2013 - 09/11/2013," it's written: "r&w flaked out and disappeared with my 1/2 mil."
Between the initial "hits" and the "loan," Dread Pirate Roberts paid redandwhite US$1.15 million in bitcoin. The payments for the fake hits came from Ulbricht's own bitcoin wallet, one more piece of damning evidence that his defense lawyers couldn't explain away to the jury.
Scamming a pirate?
We've published the "murder chats," in full, below, apart from some addresses of alleged Silk Road buyers. Since there are no bodies, the question arises: exactly what are we reading?
It all seems to have been an elaborate ruse, in which a scam artist (or artists) operating under multiple personas made off with $1 million from the world's most successful online drug dealer, securing more cash in the end than FriendlyChemist had even hoped for at the beginning.
"The bitcoins [from DPR to redandwhite] sat there until August 2013 (which alone should have tipped out the Dread Pirate about a possible scam; if someone wants that amount of money, why would they just sit on it when it was supposed to go pay some hitman?)," said Nicholas Weaver, a University of California-Berkeley computer researcher. The bitcoins were "only then moved away in bulk, split up, and perhaps sent to Bitcoin exchanges or other cashout."
During closing arguments at Ulbricht's, prosecutor Serrin Turner said that Ulbricht "may have fallen for a big con job," but said that only goes to show he wasn't a "criminal super-genius" but rather a criminal who made mistakes—and was willing, eager even, to use violence to protect what he'd built.
"For him, it was trivial," said Turner. "The click of a mouse, send $500,000, half a million dollars' worth of bitcoins, wait for the picture of a dead body. Thank goodness it does not look like any murders occurred. Thank goodness that this man's power trip was stopped before he managed to connect with a true hitman through his criminal website."
FriendlyChemist
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/13/2013
can u please get dread pirate roberts to message me RIGHT away ?
its very serious... a matter of life and death. also has to do with the identities of a dozen
top vendors and thousands of silk road customers
its very important so please get him me right away. i will not talk to anyone but dread
pirate roberts so please do not ask me what it is conserning
DreadPirateRoberts
To: FriendlyChemist, 3/14/2013
What can I do for you?
FriendlyChemist
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/14/2013
what is going on? when are u payin lucydrop? i have been waiting and waiting and he
keeps saying hes waitin for u to pay
u dont know me but i am lucydrops supplier. the only reason i lent lucydrop so much
product is bcuz he showed me the chat logs of u and him talking and how u made him the
#1 seller on silkroad. i lent him 900k of product and he paid me 200k and then started
avoiding me. i see u and him still have listings up when i kno for a fact he does not have
ne product. why are u guys scamming people for there hard earned money? i stopped by
lucydrops house and he doesnt live there ne more and his phone goes straight to
voicemail but i kno he has been on sr.. and he says wait for u
what is the deal? where is my money? why is lucydrop still selling when i kno for fact he
has no product because i supplyd him
im freaking out here! that was not my money! im getting scared. my wife said she saw
people at my kids school and im getting really worried
i put a keylogger on lucydrops computer when he left the room one day when i was their
so i could see what he was doing and i see he has been selling still when i kno he doesnt
have product. are u guys pulling a scam? why!?
i also have the indentities of 9 top vendors and 15 smaller vendors and thousands of
customers of lucydrops. i dont want any trouble but i want my money! if u havnt paid
lucydrop drop pay him! if u have pay him then tell him to pay me! im scared for my
family!
if u dont believe me here is lucy password info
login lucydrop
passyworld lucedad
withdraw password lucedadhi5
i will not do anything tilll u message me and tell me whats going on. please get him to pay
me asap or pay him asap if u havnt! this is my life here and im scared for my family bcuz
of the money i owe
DreadPirateRoberts
To: FriendlyChemist, 3/14/2013
I'm really sorry for your situation. I have never had such a conversation with lucydrop.
he/she must have made it up to trick you. we have no special deal whatsoever.
FriendlyChemist
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/14/2013
i find it verry hard to believe. he showed the chat loggs talking to u about u making him
number 1 seller and being his partner on the product i gave him. i would not have give
him that much product otherwise- especially because u made him the 1 seller
please dont screw me like this! my life is in danger because of this money i owe!
i also kno about the other vendor accounts his friends are using. i have access to those
customer lists too from when lucydrop was dropshipping for them
im not this kind of person but the only card i hav left to play is dropping 2 dozen vendor
identities and thousands of customer details on the web and the forums. what do u and
lucydrop think will happen if thousands of usernames, ordr amounts, addresses get
leaked? all those people will leave sr and be scared to use it again.. those vendors will all
be busted and all there customers will be exposed too and never go back to sr
i dont want to do that! i just want my money for my product! my life is in danger and
maybe my family. the people i borrowed that from are not regular people!! i cant believe
i was so stupid and trustng!
jus get lucydrop to pay me my money asap or if u havent paid him yet then pay so he pays
me the money he owes!
please! im freaking out here!
DreadPirateRoberts
To: FriendlyChemist, 3/15/2013
I will get in touch with lucydrop and get back to you.
Send me all of the information you've harvested so I can verify it.
DreadPirateRoberts
To: LucyDrop, 3/15/2013
Hi Lucydrop,
I've been contacted by a member named FriendlyChemist. He claims to know you and
have done business with you in real life. He is making wild accusations and threats
against you, me, and other members of the community. If indeed you know him, could
you please provide me with his name and address. I'd like to stop him in his tracks by
revealing that I know who he is and will retaliate if he does anything stupid. Any other
info you can provide is also welcome.
Thanks and sorry for the trouble.
DPR
PS - please don't contact him if possible, I'd like to handle it myself.
FriendlyChemist
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/15/2013
i didnt have to harvest anything - lucydrop kept a log of every single transaction he made
on silkroad like a idiot
there r thousands and thousands of orders
there are over 20 vendor identities from when he did biz with them - some with phone
numbers to - and over 5 thousand customer identities
he also ran more then 1 account on here nd seems to be still vending on those accts too
and did evrything from 1 computers so i have all theyre info too
u alrdy kno that i have access to his acct and u can see most of his order r not encrypt so i
dont kno why u are asking for me to send all the info to u now. unless u want to warn all
those people so you and lucy dont have to pay me
his username - lucydrop
his pw - lucedad
his wd pw - lucedadhi5
u say u are not working wit him but u still havn closed his acct when u kno he is scamming
but i will give u a address to some customers and u can see he kept logs the whole time.
here are some of his very first sales when he was sending 3tab samples when he first
started vending. u can cantact them and see it is true
[Ed. note: long list of addresses from around the world redacted]
and the log goes like that up til today every day. nd that it just 1 of his accts.. he has 3
total of his own he use for different thing
but im sure u kno this. or else why u let that accunt stay open.
i dont want to do anything with this and i wont i just want my money! i am scared for my
life and you and him are not giving me answer. maybe if i post all the vendor identity
publicly and nobody sell on silkroad lucydrop will have no more sales to scam ppl on his
other account. i just want what is owe to me and i will go away! i dont kno why you ppl
scam like this! ppl work hard for there money and u are playing with ppl lives!
i will wait ur reply from lucydrop - but i dont kno how much longer i can wait.. how can i
explain to these ppl i dont have there money when i said i will have
it a certain day and now im late? these are not normal ppl and they are getting angry with
me
jsut get lucydrop to resolve this, or pay him so he can pay me! i did a favor and this is not
fair to play with my life like this!
DreadPirateRoberts
To: FriendlyChemist, 3/15/2013
I'll let you know when I hear from lucydrop
FriendlyChemist
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/15/2013
when will that be? i dont think u guys understand how serious this is
have u not payed lucydrop the 700k he is supposed to give me yet? these people i
borrowed from have been asking for me to meet them and said they dont want to have
to come and find me
im scared and u dont seem to even care that u guys are scamming me and putting me life
in danger!
do i need to release some of list so u take it more serious? i just want what is owed to
me! when will u guys make it rite?
RealLucyDrop
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/16/2013
[POSTED IN ONE OF THE SILK ROAD FORUMS]
I can't post in rumormill because I don't have 50 posts. Please post this thread in rumormill - I am the real LucyDrop
DO NOT BUY FROM LUCYDROP ON SR
I can't talk about specifics for security reasons, but i was in jail for more than 2 months
but less than 7. I got released very recently. LucyDrop on SilkRoad is NOT ME. DO NOT
BUY FROM THAT ACCOUNT. My partner completely fucked me over. I went to our spot..
there is nothing there and he wont answer my phone calls. He took the work computer
and everything else. He took my entire savings with him that was being used to keep
supply up. He took my entire life. Somebody PLEASE get in contact with DPR or Vendor
Support and have the account shut down immediately and freeze all the funds in the
account.
How can I contact DPR? I can't find a link to message him. I can prove to him that I am the
real lucydrop as I do not have access to my pgp or any of my logins.
If you ordered from me in the past (namely a couple of top vendors, i can give you details
and you can verify/vouch that I am indeed the real LucyDrop)
Do not trust anything that is said from that LucyDrop account! Do not send ANY FUNDS.
Do NOT FINALIZE ANYTHING.
Somebody please get DPR to see this thread. Someone please post this n Rumor mill. My
entire life was taken from me and I don't know what to do
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RealLucyDrop, 3/16/2013
Hi there. How did the new person gain access to your account?
RealLucyDrop
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/16/2013
It's not a new person who took over the account. It was my partner in real life that I
started LucyDrop with. I was the one that actually handled the LucyDrop account until I
got arrested. I was picked up on previous drug offence warrants and spent some time in
jail. My partner took absolutely everything from me in that time. He took all the work
computers, the bitcoin wallets, all the work product and nearly my entire life savings and
scammed a bunch of people in the process.
FriendlyChemist was our middleman to one of our LSD distributors. I called him also after
I got released and he is demanding I pay him for some deal he had with my partner when
I was in jail and telling me he will do something very stupid if he doesn't get paid. How do
you know FriendlyChemist?
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RealLucyDrop, 3/17/2013
I'm so glad you know him! He has gathered the personal information of many of the
customers who worked with lucydrop (not sure if you were in control of the account at
the time or not) and also some of the other vendors on SR. Now he is trying to blackmail
me by saying he will release all of this info. If this happened it would be terrible. I need
his real world identity so I can threaten him with violence if he were to release any names
(name, address, anything you have). It sounds like he's in a tough spot that your former
partner put him in, but I can't get involved and I can't let him release those IDs.
Thank you for any help you can provide.
RealLucyDrop
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/17/2013
I don't know how I feel about that solution. Remember that he also knows my real world
identity and has evidence on me as well. I'm sure you are well aware of what would
happen to me if my information was to be released. If he had access to that computer
there is a lot more damaging stuff on there than just the identities of a bunch of vendors
and a bunch of customers of mine. There is enough on that computer to put me away for
a very long time. He's acting erratic right now (understandably, given his situation), but I
will set up a meeting with him and try and reason with him. It is also in my best interest
that he does not release anything, as well as in the best interest of this movement we are
a part of.. Putting power in the peoples hands. I fucking hate what money does to people.
I am in contact with him, and I told him that I am talking to you and I'm going to have a
meeting with him and try and resolve this problem of ours.
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RealLucyDrop, 3/18/2013
ok lucy, do me proud :)
RealLucyDrop
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/18/2013
Will do. Obviously I wont ask you what timezone you are in, but can you give me certain
hours that are the best to reach you at/? The delay in messages back and forth make it
hard to communicate effectively. I'm in Pacific time zone.. Can you tell me what time in
PST are the best times to reach you at? I don't mind having to wake up in the middle of
the night to hop on the forums so just tell me whatever works best for you
I will be meeting him today in the morning
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RealLucyDrop, 3/18/2013
I will check in as much as possible. Let me know if you need anything.
RealLucyDrop
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/19/2013
I went to the meeting with him and he is extremely frightened. He told me who he owes
money to and I understand his concern for his safety, because they are not people you
want to owe money to. He is freaking out and truly believes that his life and his families
life is in serious danger.He thinks that you don't take him seriously and said he was
planning on releasing part of the information to show he is serious. I convinced him not to
and reassured him that things would be okay. If that information gets leaked and those
vendors get busted, I would get busted too. I tried to not show him that I was too
concerned with his threats but I'm not sure how to deal with him. He said he has been
doing his research and he says he has discovered the flaw with SR that the buyers have
never thought about. (I'm assuming he is referring to the fact that the vendors all have
peoples addresses and can use it against SR or the buyers themselves to extort money or
what have you). He also kept talking about the shitstorm that would be caused by that
much information being leaked and media/police picking up on it and starting a mass
panic. He said if we don't pay him that he will release the information, and if that does
not work he will go straight to the police with all the information and get into the witness
protection program. The people he borrowed the product from are a big criminal
organization in Canada (Hells Angels - not sure if you are familiar with them) and the
police have been known to treat witnesses against them very well).
This is saddening because this guy is not really like this, but I guess with the threat to his
and his families life he is under extreme stress and acting out of character. I calmed him
down a bit and told him I would find a way to help him. That was somewhat of a lie on my
part because I really don't know how I can help him but I wanted to reassure him so he
didn't do anything drastic in the meantime until we find a solution.
I asked him that you would never fully trust him to not use the information against him
even if you got paid, and he said the following. I'm recalling this all from memory so
excuse me if it's not completely accurate.
He said regardless of anything, he needs to pay the people asap or he is in grave danger.
He offered me a deal (because as you know, selling on SR was my income and he was my
connection for LSD). He said he wants to be paid, and that he would then give me product
at his cost, so that I could pay you back by selling and giving you the percentage of what
he would normally put on top when he was selling it to me. He was putting 50% on top of
his cost when he gave it to me, so he suggested that I start vending again and you take
50% of all sales. That way you would be paid back in full, I would be able to sell again on
SR and that the people he borrowed the product from would be paid back and he would
be safe. I said that was a bad deal because you would still have all the vendors
information and customers information. He said that he would be willing to give you his
identify, talk to someone on the phone to verify, or give any other identifying information
that could be confirmed as collateral so he would never be able to use that information
again, and that you would feel confident that the information would never be exposed.
I don't know what you think, but that is what he said to me. What should I say to him?
RealLucyDrop
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/20/2013
Can you tell me what to tell him please? I've been stalling him and told him I would get
back to him asap.
Can you just tell me what to tell him, so I can make arrangements to protect myself in this
whole situation also? If he goes through with his threat, I will need to protect myself
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RealLucyDrop, 3/20/2013
You know his real-world identity don't you? There is no way I will be handing cash over to
a person who is threatening me and my community. Give me his ID so I can have some
leverage in dealing with him. You said you don't know what to do now, so let me take
over and give me all of the info you have so I have the best chance at defusing this
situation.
RealLucyDrop
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/20/2013
Yes I do know his identity, but you threatening him back will not help this situation. He is
deathly afraid of the people he owes money to, and they already know where he lives and
where his kids go to school etc. That will just expedite him going to the police, thus the
information being given to them including my identity because they police will want all
the information he has if they will protect him and put him in witness protection.
Obviously you don't want to be blackmailed and let some fuck take money but this
situation is extremely sensitive and I'm getting increasingly worried about my own safety
regarding the police or my information being leaked too.
If I can get some money together would you be willing to help me pay him, and then
taking 50% off each of my sales to repay you what you have leant? I was the number one
vendor with the 3 best selling items on SR so it would not take long. That way I also get to
keep my connection for LSD and be able to keep vending. I can probably get 300k
together or maybe more if I try and borrow some money from friends. I just don't see
how you threatening him is going to help the situation at all and will probably just make
him go to the police even faster/releasing the information faster since he will know he
will not be able to pay them off and will have no choice but to go to the police after
releasing the information since he will be in serious trouble
Please try and check your messages more often, because whenever I don't have anything
to tell him he starts acting more erratic since the people he owes are on him hard about
getting paid
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RealLucyDrop, 3/20/2013
Don't bother messaging me again if the message does not contain his personal
information. I'm not fronting money to anyone, and I won't be blackmailed. I would also
like the contact info/id of the other lucy drop that ripped him off, and of his suppliers if
possible. You don't know how to handle this situation, but I do. Stop showing this guy
compassion. He is threatening your life/freedom and my livelyhood.
RealLucyDrop
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/21/2013
If you really think you have a good idea to deal with him I will give you the information
you want about his identity. Please understand why I am hesitant, as it is my freedom
we're dealing with.
I will also have no income since he was my connection for LSD.. Are there any positions
open on SR? support or otherwise? I could really use some sort of job as my partner
completely fucked me over.
Let me know how to send the information to you... Plain text or can you give me a pgp
key to use?
DreadPirateRoberts
To: FriendlyChemist, 3/21/2013
Have your suppliers contact me here so I can work something out with them. Do NOT tell
them that I owe you money. That is not true and will only complicate matters. Tell them
the truth, that the person who stole your money sold their product on my site and that
you are now blackmailing me to get them their money. You should copy/paste this
message to them.
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RealLucyDrop, 3/21/2013
Thank you for your understanding. Please encrypt the information with the key below
and send it to me here.
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To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/21/2013
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Hate to even have to ask this, but any job openings? I've always been loyal to you, and
believe in the movement. I was the number 1 vendor with the number 1 selling products
so I am very familiar with how things work.. I just am in a bad spot after my partner
fucked me, and could use any sort of income while I get back on my feet
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RealLucyDrop, 3/21/2013
Please send the exact address of FC. I might be able to take you in as a part-time mod. I'll
run it by the staff.
RealLucyDrop
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/24/2013
That's not a problem. I will go out there in a couple days and get the exact address for you
Did you consult the staff about the part time job?
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RealLucyDrop, 3/25/2013
not yet. is he still in contact with you?
RedAndWhite
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/25/2013
I was asked to contact you. We are the people friendlychemist owes money to. He tells us
that you owe him money and a long boring story about some of this and some of that. As
far as we are concerned - we gave him the product. Where it went and how does not
matter. We hold him and him only responsible for the missing product/money.We don't
care if you stole it from him/borrowed it from him or anything. It was his responsibility to
pay for it. He asked me to contact you anyways. What did you want to talk to us about?
RealLucyDrop
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/26/2013
He answers though sporadically.... I have heard via the grape vine that he is in contact
with the people he owes money to but he is refusing to meet up with them like they have
told him to
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RedAndWhite, 3/26/2013
Sorry for the delayed response and thank you for getting in touch. We've had some
technical difficulties the past 24 hours I've had to deal with. Just to be clear, I do not owe
him any money, but he has told me his situation and wants my help. I'm not entirely sure
what the best action to take is, but I wanted to be in communication with you to see if we
can come to a conclusion that works for everyone.
friendlychemist aside, we should talk about how we can do business. Obviously you have
access to illicit substances in quantity, and are having issues with bad distributors. If you
don't already sell here on Silk Road, I'd like you to consider becoming a vendor. Many
people here purchase in bulk as well as retail quantities. Being a vendor, you'll have the
protection that dealing anonymously in bitcoin provides, and you'll have protection
against people like friendlychemist ripping you off because all transactions are conducted
through my escrow. I encourage you to read the wiki and forum (links in the footer) and
consider becoming a vendor here.
So, if there is anything I can do as the admin here to help you get involved in Silk Road, or
anything I can do to help with your situation with friendlychemist, please just let me
know.
RedAndWhite
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/26/2013
That is interesting. How much is it possible to sell on here if we listed every product far
cheaper than everyone else? We have a majority hold over most of the movement of
products in western Canada (one of the main drug ports to North America). I have
researched your site and the concept seems interesting to me (as long as it is anonymous
as everyone makes it out to be). We produce LSD/nBome/Ketamine/MDMA/Meth/GHB
and import cocaine and heroin in massive bulk amounts. We have a lot of workers who
run their own sub distribution networks for the streets, but if it is lucrative we are always
looking to expand.
In my partners eyes all they will see is that because of online dealing we are out 700k so
I'm not sure they will go for it.
FriendlyChemist refuses to meet up with us because of what he fears will
happen. People are starting to suspect that he will go to the police, which is not a
problem because he would never be able to give up anyone of importance since he only
has ever had contact with low level people in our group and they always take precautions
so that even if someone were to turn informant, they would not be able to get any
charges to stick. It's a shame because he moved a fair amount of product.
If you can get FriendlyChemist to meet up with us, or pay us his debt then I'm sure I
would be able to get people in our group to give this online side of the business a try. As it
stands right now, there are people looking for him and since he has avoided our group,
I'm not sure what will happen since he owes us money and is avoiding us.
I've looked around your site, and the prices are absolutely absurd. I'm assuming most
people on here selling are 3 or 4 tiers below the actual producers or distributors?
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RealLucyDrop, 3/27/2013
why haven't you gotten the address yet? Bring me the address, and $1000 in btc is yours.
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RedAndWhite, 3/27/2013
In my eyes, FriendlyChemist is a liability and I wouldn't mind if he was executed, but then
you'd be out your $700k. I don't think he is going to come up with the money because he
seems very desperate. I'm not sure how much you already know about the guy, but I
have the following info and am waiting on getting his address:
Blake Krokoff
Lives in an apartment near White Rock Beach
Age: 34
City: White Rock
Province: British Columbia
Wife + 3 kids
Let me know if it would be helpful to have his full address.
In those categories, I think you could be doing over $1M in sales a week within a few
months. It is hard to estimate because it depends on how much market share you get
and also the site as a whole is constantly growing. You will need to become very
proficient at stealth shipping and packaging if you aren't already. Think vacuum sealers
and leaving no forensic evidence on your packages. You will also want to ship from
multiple drop points so you can't be traced back via your (fake) return address.
If you go through with this, I would contact some of the top vendors and hire them to
consult you. Ask the weed vendors because you won't be competing with them and their
product is smelly and looked for by USPS, so they have to be on top of their game. I
would also start out listing smaller amounts so you can get the hang of it before putting
up a substantial inventory. You will also need to market yourself on the forums a little bit
at first, maybe send out some samples to critics. That is one price of anonymity, no one
knows you, but if your customer service is good and your product is good and cheap,
people will quickly catch on and you won't have to do much hustling.
Regarding prices, there are some costs here you don't otherwise see. I take 3 - 10%
depending on the size of the transaction, if you hedge your escrow balance (and you
should) that can cost up to 5% per transaction, and then if you need to convert your
bitcoins into another currency, there are fees associated with that, though not that much.
There are also occasional losses due to packages lost in the mail. The rest of the markup I
think is due, as you say, to the fact that most vendors are pretty far down the distribution
chain.
Regarding the safety and anonymity, we've been operating for over 2 years now in the
open as a high profile target and are still going strong. If you take the necessary
precautions, and use the technology, I think you can operate very securely and efficiently
here, maybe more so than some of your current operations.
RedAndWhite
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/28/2013
I already have that information but thank you. 1M a week sounds like it would be worth
selling on here, once we know exactly how everything works. Even if commission was
15% it would not matter, as we lose more than 15% doing it on the streets with street
level guys getting robbed or arrest and losing product etc.
Also, we have kidnapped friendlychemists partner Xin already and are on the hunt for
friendlychemist. I will keep you updated on the developments. So far though we are liking
what we see with this site and this could be a good partnership for both of us. As far as I
can see, this site lacks any big time suppliers. It appears it is mostly it is street level
independents that are buying small amounts (1oz - 1 kilo at a time) and selling on here.
We have the product and the man power to do big things here. Forgive me, but it all
seems a little too good to be true right now so I will need some time to really research
this before I make any sort of commitment.
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RedAndWhite, 3/28/2013
I understand, and that is great news about Xin. If I understand the situation, he is the one
responsible for your loss.
You should definitely take your time and start slowly. I would hate for you to make a
mistake and be left with a bad experience. Just let me know if you need anything. Also,
you should look into PGP. Many customers like to encrypt their receiving address so you
should know how to decrypt it.
When you are ready, let me know what account you want to sell with and I'll cover the
$500 security deposit for you.
RedAndWhite
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/28/2013
We are all familiar with PGP as we have been using it for years via email linked to our
smartphones. It's the only way we communicate with each other aside from in person,
since phone calls are not secure.
There is no loss anymore, also. We were able to recover all of our missing product when
we grabbed Xin. After some "questioning" he admitted he was intending on moving to a
different country and setting up a new seller account on this site. We don't take too
kindly to thieves. He's gone.
I appreciate your offer to waive the fee, but If we were to sell on here I would like to pay
the same as everyone else. Very kind of you though. I will be in touch.
FriendlyChemist
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/29/2013
u leave me no choice i want 500k usd withn 72hrs or i am going to post all the info i have.
i cant go back to my home and i had to move my kids and wife somewhere and i need the
money so i can move my family and start a new life. i hate to do this but i need the money
or im going to release it all. over 5000 user details and about 2 dozen vender identities
wats it going to be?
DreadPirateRoberts
To: FriendlyChemist, 3/29/2013
Don't do anything foolish. The people that you owe money to have caught up with Xin
and reclaimed their loss. I spoke to them and calmed them down. They are likely going
to become vendors here on SR. Now you can calm down too. Go back to your normal life
and don't get involved in this stuff any more.
FriendlyChemist
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/29/2013
u dont think i kno what they did to xin? u think i can just go on with my life? u dont know
these ppl. i owed them money and i ran away from them. its over for me. i need that
money to start over somewhere else with my family. i need it! i dont want to do this but if
u dont give it to me i have no choice
they are still telling me that i hav to meet them and i kno what will happen. i cant let that
happen! even if they say it is ok i kno they will do the same thing to me. they say
everything is ok but i kno what they will do! 63 hours.. please.. dont force me to post
everything. 500k is nothing to u but its life and death for me
they told me that i have a free pass and that they dealt with it with xin but i kno that they
are doing that to make me think its ok and then get me! thats how these ppl operate!
DreadPirateRoberts
To: FriendlyChemist, 3/29/2013
Do me a favor and make it 96 hours. I will get back to you on Monday. I want to work
this out, but I have big plans for this weekend and don't want to have to deal with this.
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RedAndWhite, 3/29/2013
Hi again R&W,
I hate to come to you with a problem when we are just starting to get to know one
another, but Blake (FriendlyChemist) is causing me problems. Are you still looking for him
or now that you've found Xin have you given up? I would like to put a bounty on his head
if it's not too much trouble for you. What would be an adequate amount to motivate you
to find him?
Necessities like this do happen from time to time for a person in my position. I have
others I can turn to, but it is always good to have options and you are close to the case
right now. Hopefully this is something you are open to and can be another aspect of our
business relationship.
Regards,
DPR
RedAndWhite
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/30/2013
What is the problem? We usually tend to stay away from hits as they are bad for business
and bring a lot of heat. Is it a problem that can be resolved or does it need to be dealt
with sternly?
As of right now, we don't care about him because we retrieved more from Xin than what
he took from us, and he also paid for it with his life. Debt paid in our books.
As far as rates go, we don't have a flat rate for things like that. It's on a case by case basis.
Usually we pay our hitters a percentage of what the person owes +/- how much they can
retrieve. If it's strictly a hit because they don't want the person around anymore it's also
different. Does he owe you money or do you just not want him around anymore?
I can send a couple of my guys to do recon to find out exactly where he is right now in the
meantime until I hear back from you.
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RedAndWhite, 3/30/2013
If you can find his location, that may be enough for me to scare him off. He is trying to
blackmail me. Just let me know what you need to make this worth your while.
RedAndWhite
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/30/2013
If I find his location, and you use it against him to scare him, there is a chance he will
switch locations again. Speaking from experience, it will become a lot more difficult to
find him again after that once he knows there are people capable of finding, him looking
for him.
Further, the people we use to do the recon are the hitter themselves. I don't think they
will be interested in continuing looking for him if there will be a small sum to be split
between them just to find his address.
If you have your mind set on just finding his location, I can talk to them and get them to
get it for you for a fee (not sure what amount as usually when we hunt someone, there is
more involved after we find them). If you want to deal with him the other way, we can
talk about that too, but price varies on the situation.
If you want it to look like an accident, it would cost a lot more. It wouldn't be suspicious.
He would just leave home one day and not return.
If you don't care what it looks like, it would be cheaper than the accident. We use
professionals and not street level hoodlums who always end up fucking things up. How
much does he owe you and how much are you willing to pay? If there are funds retrieved,
how much would we keep from what he has when we get him(if he has anything) ?
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RedAndWhite, 3/30/2013
He doesn't owe me anything, but he is threatening to expose the identities of thousands
of my clients that he was able to acquire working with Xin if I don't pay him off. As you
don't take kindly to thieves, this kind of behavior is unforgivable to me. Especially here
on Silk Road, anonymity is sacrosanct.
It doesn't have to be clean, and I don't think there are any funds to be retrieved.
RedAndWhite
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/30/2013
Price for clean is 300k+ USD
Price for non-clean is 150-200k USD depending on how you want it done.
These prices pay for 2 professional hitters including their travel expenses and work they
put in. We can use out of town hitters if you want as well, but I would not suggest them
because they come with an extra cost and you don't seem to care how he is taken care of.
When would you like this done?
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RedAndWhite, 3/31/2013
Don't want to be a pain here, but the price seems high. Not long ago, I had a clean hit
done for $80k. Are the prices you quoted the best you can do?
I would like this done asap as he is talking about releasing the info on Monday.
RedAndWhite
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/31/2013
I'm sorry, but we can't do anything for that price. Best I can do is 150 and even that is
pushing it. Since you need a rush job done, usually we would charge even more. In the
interest of business relationship to be, I could do 150. No lower. If 150 does not work for
you, we are going to have to pass. We use professionals, and we pay them a good price.
Always send them out in a team of 2+.. 75k each for expenses and the job is a fair amount
I think.
We have one of his associates, and we're paying him to set him up for us. We'll pay for
that ourselves on our end. I'm guessing you will not be able to pay by cash, so how would
payment work since you need it done before monday?
RedAndWhite
To: Dread Pirate Roberts, 3/31/2013
If you want it done by Monday that only leaves today. It's Sunday morning here. We
always seem to miss each other online, so I will leave a bitcoin address in case you want
to pay that way. Probably best so we can get used to dealing with bitcoins anyways since
we will be selling here more than likely in the next week or two. I will check the computer
in about 10 hours and If I see that you do want to go ahead with this, and payment has
been sent we'll do it today.
1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL
If you want picture confirmation of the job afterwards, give me random numbers and I
will have them write them beside him and take a picture for you.
DreadPirateRoberts
To: RedAndWhite, 3/31/2013
Thank you R&W. I've only ever commissioned the one other hit, so I'm still learning this
market. I have no problem putting my faith in you and I am sure you will do a good job.
The exchange rate is above 90 right now, so at $90/btc, $150k is about 1670 btc. If the
market tanks in the next few days, I will send more. Here are some random numbers for
a picture: 83746102
Here is the transaction # for 1670 btc to 1MwvS1idEevZ5gd428TjL3hB2kHaBH9WTL
4a0a5b6036c0da84c3eb9c2a884b6ad72416d1758470e19fb1d2fa2a145b5601
Good luck and be safe,
DPR
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