Roboute Guilliman VS other Primarchs:: yeah you're right, i didn't understand your previous comment sorry. Should be better now. Hope nothing is wrong 'cause i was in a rush
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==Roboute Guilliman VS other Primarchs:==
==Roboute Guilliman VS other Primarchs:==
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Primarch fighting, while fun to see, isn't a very competitive thing to do as it'll usually tie up both Primarchs for the entire game without either of them dying. With that in mind this section is all about how Roboute Guilliman fares against other Primarchs mathammer wise. Please note that all the various abilities, with the exception of Blind, are taken into account (Blind is ignored because it is just too random and unreliable to come into play) and the match-ups assume the Primarchs are the only ones involved in the fighting, so various abilities like Angron's "The Butcher's Nails" and Rampage do not provide any bonuses. Also do note that Preternatural Strategy is taken into account (obviously) so prepare to see even more mathammer than for the other Primarchs.
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Primarch fighting, while fun to see, isn't a very competitive thing to do as it'll usually tie up both Primarchs for the entire game without either of them dying. With that in mind this section is all about how Roboute Guilliman fares against other Primarchs mathammer wise. Please note that all the various abilities, with the exception of Blind, are taken into account (Blind is ignored because it is just too random and unreliable to come into play) and the match-ups assume the Primarchs are the only ones involved in the fighting, so various abilities like Angron's "The Butcher's Nails" and Rampage do not provide any bonuses. Also do note that Preternatural Strategy is taken into account (obviously) so prepare to see even more mathammer than for the other Primarchs
. For what concern the Armor of Reason (Re-roll the first failed invulnerable save in each Phase) it is treated as 0.5 damage reduction on any Primarch who manages to inflict at least 1 wound after all the other saves. On the other hand, for the ones who can't do so much damage, the damage dealt is simply halved (since it is already difficult for them to wound him and then he would have a 50% of ignoring said wound)
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* Roboute Guilliman VS Mortarion
* Roboute Guilliman VS Mortarion
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**Mortarion hits 2.5 times, wounds 1.666, 0.
333
wounds after
saves
and after IWND they become 0 wounds
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**Mortarion hits 2.5 times, wounds 1.666
, 0,833 after saves
, 0.
417
wounds after
Armor of Reason,
and after IWND they become 0
.083
wounds
**Guilliman Round 1: hits 2.5 times, wounds 2.083 times, 1.042 after saves, and IWND take it down to 0.486.
**Guilliman Round 1: hits 2.5 times, wounds 2.083 times, 1.042 after saves, and IWND take it down to 0.486.
**Guilliman Round 2 and after: hits 3.333 times, wounds 2.777 times, 1.388 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.833.
**Guilliman Round 2 and after: hits 3.333 times, wounds 2.777 times, 1.388 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.833.
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**Easy win for Guilliman
, as Mortarion cannot hurt him at all mathematically
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**Easy win for Guilliman.
* Roboute Guilliman VS Ferrus
* Roboute Guilliman VS Ferrus
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* Roboute Guilliman VS Vulkan
* Roboute Guilliman VS Vulkan
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**Vulkan hits 2 times, wounds 1.667 times, 0.
3333
times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.
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**Vulkan hits 2 times, wounds 1.667 times, 0.
833
times after saves
, 0.417 after Armor of Reason
and IWND will take that down to 0
.083
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**Guilliman Round 1: hits 2.5 times, wounds 2.083 times, 0.694 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.139 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Guilliman Round 1: hits 2.5 times, wounds 2.083 times, 0.694 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.139 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Guilliman Round 2 and thereafter: hits 3.333 times, wounds 2.778 times, 0.926 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.37 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Guilliman Round 2 and thereafter: hits 3.333 times, wounds 2.778 times, 0.926 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.37 wounds at the start of the next turn.
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**A long as f**k fight, but Guilliman take the win 'cause
Vulkan can't mathematically harm him
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**A long as f**k fight, but Guilliman take the win 'cause
he does marginally more damage
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* Roboute Guilliman VS Lorgar
* Roboute Guilliman VS Lorgar
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*Roboute Guilliman VS Perturabo
*Roboute Guilliman VS Perturabo
**Perturabo Round 1: hits 2.667 times, wounds 2.222 times, 0.611 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.278.
**Perturabo Round 1: hits 2.667 times, wounds 2.222 times, 0.611 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.278.
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**Perturabo Round 2 and thereafter: hits 2 times, wounds 1.667 times, 0.
333
times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.
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**Perturabo Round 2 and thereafter: hits 2 times, wounds 1.667 times, 0.
833
times after saves
, 0.417 for Armor of Reason
and IWND will take that down to 0
.083
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**Guilliman Round 1/2: hits 2.5 times, wounds 2.222 times, 0.74 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.407 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Guilliman Round 1/2: hits 2.5 times, wounds 2.222 times, 0.74 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.407 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Guilliman Round 3 and thereafter: hits 3.333 times, wounds 2.963 times, 0.988 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.654 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Guilliman Round 3 and thereafter: hits 3.333 times, wounds 2.963 times, 0.988 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.654 wounds at the start of the next turn.
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* Roboute Guilliman VS Alpharius
* Roboute Guilliman VS Alpharius
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**Alpharius hits 2.92 times and wounds 1.701 times (Remember he got Preferred Enemy), 0.
35
wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.
017
wounds at the start of the next turn.
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**Alpharius hits 2.92 times and wounds 1.701 times (Remember he got Preferred Enemy), 0.
851
wounds after saves and
0.425 after Armor of Reason. And
IWND will take that down to 0.
092
wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Guilliman Round 1: hits 2.5 times, wounds 2.222 times, 1.111 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.778 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Guilliman Round 1: hits 2.5 times, wounds 2.222 times, 1.111 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.778 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Guilliman Round 2 and thereafter: hits 3.333 times, wounds 2.963 times, 1.482 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.148 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Guilliman Round 2 and thereafter: hits 3.333 times, wounds 2.963 times, 1.482 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.148 wounds at the start of the next turn.
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* Roboute Guilliman VS Rogal Dorn
* Roboute Guilliman VS Rogal Dorn
**Dorn Round 1: hits 2.666 times, wounds 2 times, 0.5 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.167 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Dorn Round 1: hits 2.666 times, wounds 2 times, 0.5 wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.167 wounds at the start of the next turn.
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**Dorn Round 2 and thereafter: hits 2 times, wounds 1.5 times, 0.
25
wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0 wounds at the start of the next turn.
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**Dorn Round 2 and thereafter: hits 2 times, wounds 1.5 times, 0.
375
wounds after saves and IWND will take that down to 0
.042
wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Guilliman Round 1/2: hits 2.5 times, wounds 2.222 times, 1.111 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.778 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Guilliman Round 1/2: hits 2.5 times, wounds 2.222 times, 1.111 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 0.778 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Guilliman Round 3 and thereafter: hits 3.333 times, wounds 2.963 times, 1.482 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.148 wounds at the start of the next turn.
**Guilliman Round 3 and thereafter: hits 3.333 times, wounds 2.963 times, 1.482 times after saves and IWND will take that down to 1.148 wounds at the start of the next turn.
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**Guilliman easily win this fight taking less
(Aka: None)
damage and dishing out more.
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**Guilliman easily win this fight taking
a lot
less damage and dishing out more.
**Note: Dorn doesn't use Sundering Blow because he would actually cause less damage with it.
**Note: Dorn doesn't use Sundering Blow because he would actually cause less damage with it.
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* TL;DR version: Surprisingly, despite being a more strategical kind of character and his generally not outstanding (for a Primarch) stats, Guilliman is actually a beast in 1 on 1 fights if they drag on long enough, turning the odds in the long run even against the most specialised Primarchs (in a really tactical way) and mathematically losing only to Horus. That being said, this would almost never happen in a normal game, so he is not as broken as it can seem at first glance.
* TL;DR version: Surprisingly, despite being a more strategical kind of character and his generally not outstanding (for a Primarch) stats, Guilliman is actually a beast in 1 on 1 fights if they drag on long enough, turning the odds in the long run even against the most specialised Primarchs (in a really tactical way) and mathematically losing only to Horus. That being said, this would almost never happen in a normal game, so he is not as broken as it can seem at first glance.
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Note all this math uses the Armour of Reason as a static 0.5 reduction in wounds. This bias's results in RG's favour (proof example: 1 wound would result in 1-->0.5 after saves --> 0 after armour of reason reroll when a 4++ with reroll should result in 0.25) A better method would be to calculate one attack and apply the 4++ reroll and add it to the result from the other attacks with just a 4++.
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